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Report: Aging equipment, faulty phones at missile command [they use floppy disks....]
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Posted on 04/27/2014 5:20:47 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Report: Aging equipment, faulty phones at missile command

By Kyle Balluck - 04/27/14 08:00 PM EDT

Crews at a U.S. nuclear missile control center must deal with aging equipment and faulty telephones, according to a report on “60 Minutes.”

Correspondent Lesley Stahl visited the underground ICBM complex surrounding F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyo., where she found missileers have trouble hearing what is being said on their phones. Computers there are so “ancient” they use floppy disks, according to the report, broadcast Sunday night.

Former missileers contacted the program about problems with analog phone lines.

“They’re awful,” one said. “You can’t hear the other person on the other end of the line. Sometimes you can’t dial out, which makes it very difficult if you’re trying to do your job.”

While the underground control centers are equipped with other, highly secure systems that would receive launch orders, “60 Minutes” reported, crews use their phones for many day-to-day tasks involving the maintenance and security of the weapons.

Maj. Gen. Jack Weinstein, who took command of the missile corps in December, told Stahl the Air Force was “looking at upgrading” the phones “in the next few years.”

Weinstein also said that cyber engineers analyzed the computer system a few years ago and concluded it was “extremely safe and extremely secure” from computer hackers, in part because it is so old and not connected to the Internet.

According to the report, the Air Force allowed the tour to counter bad press from drug and cheating scandals in North Dakota and Montana missile facilities.

Weinstein said he is addressing recent troubles and working to improve morale.

“We use these weapons every single day protecting our nation,” Weinstein said. “Deterrence has a value. It has a value for our nation; it has a value for our allies.”


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To: Sub-Driver

Much of the hardware is old as it is more hardened against EMP then modern microprocessor systems.
Yet another 60 min hit piece.


21 posted on 04/27/2014 6:39:02 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Sub-Driver

Much of the hardware is old as it is more hardened against EMP then modern microprocessor systems.
Yet another 60 min hit piece.


22 posted on 04/27/2014 6:39:03 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Zathras
Excuse me, but that smacks of a "I meant to do that!" defense.

The hardware isn't old as a ploy to be hardended. It's old because they didn't spend money to replace it. To tout the value against EMP is a rationale and a labored justification.

It's not something they did on purpose. You can have very modern equipment which is hardened. But they didn't go out and buy that stuff. They stayed with ancient stuff and now grasp for the "bright side" of that decision.

23 posted on 04/27/2014 6:56:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ryan71
it was “extremely safe and extremely secure” from computer hackers, in part because it is so old and not connected to the Internet

The ultimate firewall.

24 posted on 04/27/2014 7:16:31 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Well I guess we will all find out around may 11.


25 posted on 04/27/2014 7:44:25 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists
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To: Sub-Driver
A typical 60 minutes hit piece designed to get raging grannies and code pink all wadded up.

When I was working them (Minuteman III) the weapon system controller had drum memories and computer punch cards.

What works works. As the story said the systems are extremely secure. They can't be hacked.

There is no command interconnectivity outside of a missile squadron except for communications. Communications cannot launch a missile. The LCCs have multiple communications systems and the phone lines are the lowest order system for command and control.

26 posted on 04/27/2014 7:58:54 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Sub-Driver

Mandrake, there is a reason I only drink pure grain alcohol...


27 posted on 04/27/2014 8:18:27 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This begs the question: what’s the level of technology in Russia’s missile system?


28 posted on 04/27/2014 8:31:46 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior
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To: mountn man

Yes, floppy disks, the 5.25 inch ones we used with the Apple II and original IBM PC. The equipment is all 1970-80 stuff with dials and mechanical switches. The only good in it is it will survive a tremendous EMP wave as long as the blast creating the EMP doesn’t vaporize the silo.


29 posted on 04/27/2014 8:56:06 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: RicocheT

>The only good in it is it will survive a tremendous EMP wave

what makes you think that?


30 posted on 04/27/2014 10:23:35 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Sub-Driver

Any Navy guys here? The old ships used mechanical computers, the ultimate shielding from emp. As an IT guy with many certifications I value old technology. If you have a small, simple job to do there is no reason to upgrade the hardware unless you need to upgrade the reliability. If the task requires “X” capability there is no need to provide “ABC” capability as well.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 3:07:06 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: Sub-Driver

Having worked on the older systems I can say that they have one advantage over the new stuff. They are a lot less likelier to be buggy. And what bugs there are are mostly likely known and work-arounds for those bugs are well known and documented.

On the other hand... Having worked for the Air-Force as a contractor I can say that they won’t put a dollar more into maintenance than they have to. And although they do tend to eventually have modernization efforts they are really ham-stringing themselves by the MASSIVE piles of paperwork to do a project.

As an example before I retired; a one-line change to a program’s code cost a cool half-million bucks and six months of time. Ten minutes of real work and six months of documenting it and meeting after meeting to talk about it.


32 posted on 04/28/2014 3:27:16 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Sub-Driver

When I left the missile force entirely in 1992 there was no place in an ICBM launch capsule to insert a floppy disk nor a cassette. If there is now it was added when the systems were upgraded with the REACT modifications in the mid 90s.

The actual telephone handset was used for several different reasons and communications systems. The “Dial Line” was a typical old-style telephone and when the crew member pushed the button to connect the handset to the dial line he then had to dial using an old rotary dialer. All other com systems used with that handset were initiated by pressing a button, including HF and UHF radios.


33 posted on 04/28/2014 4:51:26 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: logitech

Heh heh heh


34 posted on 04/28/2014 6:15:24 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (No $#@t there I was...)
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To: Professional Engineer

Ha!

Sometimes I feel like a character in a Vonnegut novel where stupid people rule the world and force the slaves to be engineers and doctors.


35 posted on 04/28/2014 7:37:46 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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