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Romanian military units moving towards Ukrainian border
Voice Of Russia ^

Posted on 04/27/2014 5:28:34 PM PDT by kronos77

According to information available, in Romania military units are moving towards the eastern borders - a military echelon loaded with anti-aircraft guns, trucks and ground -to- air missile systems has moved via Bucharest towards the Black Sea port of Constanta. The military units are needed for conducting joint military exercises with the participation of the US servicemen and four American F-16 fighter jets, according to the Romanian Defense Ministry officials told newsmen.

"The maneuvers will be held in compliance with the plan on strategic partnership existing between Romania and the US," Romanian Minister of National Defense Mircea Dusa announced. Earlier Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Estonia asked NATO to strengthen its military presence in their countries because of the Ukrainian crisis. As soon as it broke out, the AWACS planes started their daily flights over the southern part of Romania, taking off from the NATO air base Gellenkirchen in Germany in order to conduct radar intelligence operations which covered the southern part of Ukraine, Moldova and Crimea. At the same time, Romanian President Trian Basescu satisfied Washington’s request to increase the number of marines on the NATO air base in Germany from 1,000 to 1,600. In addition, the Romanian authorities asked official Washington to deploy a squadron of US fighter jets on their territory for the period until 2017.

The plans of an increase in the US military presence in Romania are being criticized by both politicians and the public in the country. An adviser to Romanian Prime Minister Ionel Blanculescu voiced his fears, saying that the US had turned Romania into a "good target" in case of military escalation in the region.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nato; romania; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 04/27/2014 5:28:34 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

There is a possibility that Obama regime and NATO will push Romania into military adventure in Ukraine...


2 posted on 04/27/2014 5:34:41 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

There is a possibility that the FSB is posting on FR as part of their propaganda war.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 5:38:48 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez

And so far lets say 90% out of all that Russian media said - was true.


4 posted on 04/27/2014 5:42:17 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

I’ll me nice and say you have a vivid imagination. The reason being is that is what it takes to believe the Russian disinformation. I especially liked the blurb about the Ukrainian navy flagship on the way back after exercises with NATO that had defected and then, after docking in Odessa, it turned out the crew had never defected.


5 posted on 04/27/2014 5:48:11 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Lets seee...

US/NATO stance is that in Ukraine is cool nice government that is up against cruel dastardly Russian invaders.

- Now we know that there are over 8 MILLION Russians in Ukraine and that Kiev regime controls nothing outside government building in Kiev. Plus Babushkas made elite Ukrainian paratrooper unit surrender or retread - later to be disbanded.


6 posted on 04/27/2014 5:54:03 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

retreat.


7 posted on 04/27/2014 5:54:17 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: meatloaf
There is an awesome amount of Russian disinformation on the web, blogs and such. Some threads are 90% based on 90% Russian Government sources.
If the Romanians are mobilizing, then Poland is not far behind.
When, not if, this blows up, it will blow up big, fast and all over the world.
After the Russians starved 3 or 4 million Ukrainians to death in the 1930s, the vacant spots were filled in with imported Russians.
TWB
8 posted on 04/27/2014 6:05:55 PM PDT by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin, the Flame of the North)
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To: kronos77

4 F16s, that is weak, why not 110?


9 posted on 04/27/2014 6:10:21 PM PDT by dila813
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To: kronos77

Constanta isn’t anywhere near the Ukrainian border.


10 posted on 04/27/2014 6:13:37 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: TWhiteBear

Novorossiya “New Russia” (current southern Ukraine, transferred by the Communists in 1922 from Russia to Ukraine; previously depopulated by the Muslim Turk invasions; and settled by Russians starting 1700s) was the focus so the COMMUNIST starvation of people in southern Russia, Novorossiya, and Ukraine. “The Russians” never starved “the Ukrainians”, and saying so is anti-Russian propaganda.


11 posted on 04/27/2014 6:15:46 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: kronos77

I guess I got to read my daily dose of “Glorious People’s News!”


12 posted on 04/27/2014 6:15:47 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: kronos77

“And so far lets say 90% out of all that Russian media said - was true.”

Let’s not, and let’s not say we did. Let’s stay with the truth that Putin and the Russian Government are war criminals threatening the rest of the world with a world war and nuclear destruction if we do not surrender to the Russian intimidation and disinformation as Russia trashes the principle of territorial integrity and independence of sovereign nations. Let’s say Putin and the Russian Government are perpetrating evil and intolerable acts of aggression for which they should be punished in the same manner as the leadership of Germany’s NAZI Third Reich. Let’s say the long suffering proletariat of Russia need to rise up and remove the evil from their government before they suffer even more grave consequences from their leaders’ criminal adventures in aggression against the rest of the world.


13 posted on 04/27/2014 6:19:09 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: kronos77
Romania is European Union.If anything ugly happens on their border things could get pretty dicey.
14 posted on 04/27/2014 6:20:00 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: kronos77; meatloaf
- Now we know that there are over 8 MILLION Russians in Ukraine and that Kiev regime controls nothing outside government building in Kiev. Plus Babushkas made elite Ukrainian paratrooper unit surrender or retread - later to be disbanded.

Eastern and Southern Ukraine have been polled multiple times, the most recent in February or March, and they always come back the same. Ethnic Russians, who also took part in the Maidan protests, do not, as a majority, support annexation or federalization. Only a small minority does. There is no popular support for the Russian rent-a-mobs.

15 posted on 04/27/2014 6:20:07 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Reaganez
There is a possibility that the FSB is posting on FR as part of their propaganda war.

There sure are a lot of Putinista's here all the sudden. I can't decide if most are just crazy paulbot, libertarian types who want an isolationist foreign policy (and believe everything is about fiat currency and gold reserves) or if some folks have gone over the edge with Obama hate and are now supporting our enemies just to spite him. I guess there is also some social conservatives that admire his stand against the gay agenda. But they should remember and make no mistake, Putin is a nasty piece work and the enemy of my enemy is NOT always a friend.

16 posted on 04/27/2014 6:32:23 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: kronos77

We’ll be in Moscow by Christmas.


17 posted on 04/27/2014 6:33:31 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

““The Russians” never starved “the Ukrainians”, and saying so is anti-Russian propaganda.”

You are a despicable liar posting such disinformation. Soviet Russians participated in the deliberate starvation of millions of Ukrainians in the genocidal crime known as the Holodomor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Holodomor: The Secret Holocaust in Ukraine
http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en/publish/article?art_id=84758&cat_id=83648

Holodomor Facts and History:
http://holodomorct.org/history.html

Holodomor English
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjcO4tcobc0

Holodomor (English) The Original Holocaust *Ukraine 1932 - 1933.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oCNwPxTPXQ


18 posted on 04/27/2014 6:33:35 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
“The Russians” never starved “the Ukrainians”,

I assume you are referring to the Russian monarchy here, not the Bolshevik regime. The Bolshevik regime most certainly did do so.

19 posted on 04/27/2014 6:39:30 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’ve seen those results. Most Ukrainians including ethnic Russians do not want Putler in charge.


20 posted on 04/27/2014 6:50:55 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

I suggest you change your name to wildcrazystupidRussian, bone head!


21 posted on 04/27/2014 6:52:46 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Eastern and Southern Ukraine have been polled multiple times, the most recent in February or March, and they always come back the same. Ethnic Russians, who also took part in the Maidan protests, do not, as a majority, support annexation or federalization. Only a small minority does. There is no popular support for the Russian rent-a-mobs


This is exactly correct and why Putin doesn’t want free elections in E. Ukraine on May 25. I think it is instructive that there is no E. Ukrainian maidan. The Russians tried to astroturf one in Slavyansk and it has turned into a tragicomedy Al Qaeda in Ukraine drama.

It’s becoming clear there is no popular revolution in E. Ukraine. Putin only owns the oligarchs and police there who are interested in continuing their kleptocracy. Outside of a small minority in E. Ukraine the people want no part of his thug regime.

That really leaves invasion as Putin’s only option. I expect we will see Russian Army “peacekeepers” appearing at checkpoints in Ukraine shortly after the separatist vote on May 11. If the Ukrainians resist, Putin will bomb Kiev.


22 posted on 04/27/2014 6:55:29 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: TWhiteBear
If the Romanians are mobilizing...

Against what? Does anybody, anywhere, think that Russian tanks are going to cross into Romania? Ridiculous. Somebody somewhere really wants to muddy the waters in that region of the world.

23 posted on 04/27/2014 7:34:42 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: kronos77

I wonder if the Romanians will be guarding the flanks of the Ukrainian army?


24 posted on 04/27/2014 7:41:40 PM PDT by Larry381 (The Media Have Become the Enemy of the American people...Pat Caddell)
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To: Leaning Right

Against what? Does anybody, anywhere, think that Russian tanks are going to cross into Romania? Ridiculous. Somebody somewhere really wants to muddy the waters in that region of the world.


You have no idea what you are talking about. Romania borders Moldova which is an entree on the Russian menu. There has been reports that Russia is ramping up to make a move there.


25 posted on 04/27/2014 7:44:11 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90
Romania borders Moldova which is an entree on the Russian menu.

Huh? I'm not talking about Moldova. I'm talking about Romania. Do you really think that Russia is going to occupy Moldova (or whatever) and then move into Romania? Or perhaps you think Romania is mobilizing in support of Moldova. That would make more sense, but I can't see Romanian troops entering Moldova. Ain't gonna happen.

26 posted on 04/27/2014 7:51:14 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: kronos77

Romanians retreat under fire, ask any German from Stalingrad. Just some military history for ya.


27 posted on 04/27/2014 7:52:12 PM PDT by gatorhead
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To: kronos77

fight those gd russkies with everything you’ve got


28 posted on 04/27/2014 8:21:31 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: TWhiteBear

all the more reason Ukrainians want to hand Russians a huge sheet sandwich


29 posted on 04/27/2014 8:23:05 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

eff you and all your lies


30 posted on 04/27/2014 8:26:17 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: kronos77
I was part of the very first NATO exercise w Romania in 2005. They are formidable.
31 posted on 04/27/2014 8:38:46 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

“The Russians” never starved “the Ukrainians”, and saying so is anti-Russian propaganda.
I get it...When I was in Kherson I mentioned “Stalin killed many Ukranians” to a former party member. Luba screamed me down yelling “NO....NO....NO” at the top of her lungs with hatred in her eyes. Total denial. That, is a true statement by wildandcrazyrussian.


32 posted on 04/27/2014 8:54:51 PM PDT by usual suspect
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To: kronos77

My first thought was Rome marches on Ukraine. Marching columns of men wearing rough linen red smocks under superbly made leather armor, steel Gladius and lead shanked Pilus.


33 posted on 04/27/2014 9:37:34 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Leaning Right

“Huh? I’m not talking about Moldova. I’m talking about Romania. Do you really think that Russia is going to occupy Moldova (or whatever) and then move into Romania?”

Nice try at disseminating some more Russian disinformation as false propaganda, but it won’t work. Russian military forces already partitoned off part of Moldova (formerly Bessarabia) on the Ukrainian border and help to administer the place as the faux state of Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (PMR) (aka Transnistria or Transdniestria). So, Russia already occupies a part of Moldova and the European Court of Human Rights regards Transnistria as being under the “effective authority” of Russia and Putin:

The Transnistria region in Moldova is a Cold War relic. Along with Nagorno-Karabakh in Armenian-controlled Azerbaijan and South Ossetia in Georgia, it is a post-Soviet “frozen conflict” zone where a situation of “no war, no peace” still persists. It did not want to separate from the USSR when the latter was dissolved; the brief military conflict that started in March 1992 was ended by a ceasefire in July 1992. Despite years of multilateral negotiations, this tiny sliver of land is unrecognized but independent, with its own government, military, police, and currency. While Transnistria is much smaller than Moldova, it retains considerable leverage, in now small part because of the Russian military contingent stationed there. The European Court of Human Rights considers Transnistria to be “under the effective authority or at least decisive influence of Russia.” Russia thus plays a double game, negotiating a “final settlement” while at the same time supporting its cronies in Transnistria to Moldova’s detriment. Many observers see Vladimir Putin resorting to similar tactics in other heavily Russian areas in the region, such as in the Crimea in Ukraine.
Ambassador Rudolph Perina was the Special Negotiator for Eurasian Conflicts from 2001-04. In an interview with Stu Kennedy beginning in December 2006, he discusses Russian pressure to legalize the status quo, in essence allowing Transnistria to hold Moldova hostage, and notes how Putin angry became when the Moldovans decided not to support such a one-sided agreement. You can also read Ambassador Perina’s views on the conflicts in Nagorno-Karabakh and South Ossetia.

http://adst.org/2014/02/transnistria-moldovan-land-under-russian-control/

The Romanian troops are mobilizing into assembly areas where they can be of value defending their own Black Sea coast against Russia amphibious and airborne invaders, including the port of Constanta, fix Russian forces in Moldavian Transnistria to deter their use on the Ukraine’s western border, and be in a position to operate in cooperation with Ukrainian forces in the direction of Ukrainian Odessa.


34 posted on 04/27/2014 9:43:03 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Longbow1969

Don’t mistake not caring along with the belief we have no interest in that situation with Putinista’s (cool word btw).

I mean like it screams “Don’t do it, it’s a trap”. So many nations are waiting to kick us when we’re most vulnerable. Pivot to South America. We have nothing to win over there and too much to lose. We could retreat to Spain, England and her bastards, a good chunk of West Africa, but don’t put our armies between the Russians to the North and the Muslims to the South.

Obama ought to ‘accept Kerry’s resignation’ and get a no nonsense fire fighter in there because Kerry is stuck in the days he was throwing his medals away.

Nobody likes Europe in the game of Risk.


35 posted on 04/27/2014 9:48:26 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: meatloaf; kronos77
Putler

Well said.


36 posted on 04/27/2014 11:40:57 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Leaning Right

“Somebody somewhere really wants to muddy the waters in that region of the world.”

Romanians are not mobilizing anything. You are fooled by Russian disinformation spread by FR soviets and useful idiots. Russians know what people in the west think, they make big efforts in that area, they know that people are afraid of full scale war, so they want to make it looks like WW3 is triggered off If the west tries to play any active role in that conflict. In fact Russians are afraid of full scale war just like anyone else, they don’t even dare to openly attack Ukraine but send agents and use commie grandpas/paid drunks as human shields instead. It is a weak hyena posing as a superpower.


37 posted on 04/28/2014 6:41:49 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Romanians are not mobilizing anything.

That's the point I was trying to make in the first place.

38 posted on 04/28/2014 7:02:46 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

OK.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 7:07:10 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: usual suspect
Total denial.

Not at all. Trying to present the Soviet power vs Ukrainian peasants relationship as Russians vs Ukrainians is a manipulation, or, simply put, a lie. The Soviet regime was Ukrainian not less than Russian.

40 posted on 04/28/2014 8:34:09 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: usual suspect
Total denial.

Not at all. Trying to present the Soviet power vs Ukrainian peasants relationship as Russians vs Ukrainians is a manipulation, or, simply put, a lie. The Soviet regime was Ukrainian not less than Russian.

41 posted on 04/28/2014 8:36:04 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: canuck_conservative
Putler

Really? Why not Putsmark?

42 posted on 04/28/2014 8:37:17 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: usual suspect
You just proved my point. Stalin was not Russian, he was Georgian. No one, including me, is denying a single fact that the Communists killed many millions of people throughout Ukraine. I am merely calmly making the provable point that it was "the Communists" NOT "the Russians" as a nation, that did it. All the Russians I know hate Stalin, so I am saying blame the actual killers. What's so hard about that? Your approach tends to promote hatred against Russians as a people, mine is to understand how history happened.

It is too bad that propaganda such as yours ("she screamed") is so effective.

Here's a quote which illustrates what I am saying:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/explaining-ukraine-history-nationhood-and-the-new-world-order/5379805

"...even the well read intellectuals rarely display understanding of the single most important feature of Western propaganda: equate “Soviet” with “Russian.” Which, in our view, gives out the sole purpose of said propaganda machine, its raison d’être.

One of the key arguments is the famine in the 1930s, dubbed Golodomor (pronounced “holodomor”) and meaning “forced starvation.” And never will you be told that during those famine years people died en masse not just in Ukraine but as well in Russia, Kazakhstan etc.; i.e. everywhere in the Soviet Union where at the time rich landowners – the so called “kulaks” – were ordered to give up all their harvest to the state, and were promised to receive food rations in exchange.

The regions we call Ukraine happened to have most such kulaks who were regarded as their own Soviet kulaks much as those in the regions along Don and Volga that we denote today as Russia proper and much the same as those in Kazakhstan – the Soviet Kazakhi kulaks – and elsewhere.

Hence the first distinct Ukrainian feature of the famine is the extensive use of the tragedy for propaganda purposes, and specifically for creating antagonism and animosity among the population, leading to distancing and estrangement of once rather homogeneous group, and possibly separation. The other distinction, the larger scale, is merely a consequence of the fact that Ukraine featured (i) larger areas of fertile arable land – and, respectively, higher per capita rate of “kulaks” – and (ii) more zealous local Ukrainian Bolsheviks waging a holy war on their “class enemy.”

And then the writers about Golodomor will not mention that at the time of the famine the top men in charge of Soviet Ukraina were Ukrainian Communists. Most significantly, the top man entrusted specifically with the collectivization policy enforcement was the Soviet Ukrainian Commissar Lazar Kaganovich, and that comrade Kaganovich, one of the few Central Committee’s Secretaries, was Ukrainian even without the “Soviet” degree in front of it.

More important even, you will never hear from the Ukrainian “nationalists” – who would pretend to be Ukrainian patriots, I guess – that several Ukrainian leaders played crucial role for the very survival of Lenin’s Revolution. The fact is, without the participation by the Ukrainian Anarchists the Russian civil war (1918-1924) would have ended with victory by the White (Czarist) Army.

Lenin struck a deal with the Ukrainians and the so called Black Army led by the most prominent Ukrainian Anarchist (some call him Anarcho-Communist), Nestor Mahno, fought on the side of the Red Army. It is my assessment that this tipped the balance. Needless to mention, the Bolsheviks saw to it that after the anti-Czarist military campaign was over their comrades the Anarchists – who wouldn’t care at all about nationality in any sense of the terminology – were either expelled or exterminated (Mahno himself died from tuberculosis in Paris, years later).

The architects of the so much cherished Ukraino-Russian rift would never mention either that several supreme leaders of USSR are from Ukrainian provenance – besides Kaganovich, Khrushchev and Brezhnev come from the region as well… Hence neither the claim that Ukraine has nothing to do with the Soviet adventure – and was therefore a mere victim, as some would love to see it – nor the blame for Golodomor would stick, in my court. If anything, a nationalistic outcry – and call for revenge, maybe? – should be directed to Georgia. Given the Soviets’ big shot of the time was born in the neighborhood of Tbilisi (Tiflis), bad names calling in the direction of Moscow is utterly misplaced – if Kaganovich is found “not guilty.”

43 posted on 05/04/2014 5:26:03 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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