Romanian military units moving towards Ukrainian border

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[Freelance Warrior]

Total denial.

Not at all. Trying to present the Soviet power vs Ukrainian peasants relationship as Russians vs Ukrainians is a manipulation, or, simply put, a lie. The Soviet regime was Ukrainian not less than Russian.

[Freelance Warrior]

Putler

Really? Why not Putsmark?

[wildandcrazyrussian]

You just proved my point. Stalin was not Russian, he was Georgian. No one, including me, is denying a single fact that the Communists killed many millions of people throughout Ukraine. I am merely calmly making the provable point that it was "the Communists" NOT "the Russians" as a nation, that did it. All the Russians I know hate Stalin, so I am saying blame the actual killers. What's so hard about that? Your approach tends to promote hatred against Russians as a people, mine is to understand how history happened.

It is too bad that propaganda such as yours ("she screamed") is so effective.

Here's a quote which illustrates what I am saying:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/explaining-ukraine-history-nationhood-and-the-new-world-order/5379805

"...even the well read intellectuals rarely display understanding of the single most important feature of Western propaganda: equate “Soviet” with “Russian.” Which, in our view, gives out the sole purpose of said propaganda machine, its raison d’être.

One of the key arguments is the famine in the 1930s, dubbed Golodomor (pronounced “holodomor”) and meaning “forced starvation.” And never will you be told that during those famine years people died en masse not just in Ukraine but as well in Russia, Kazakhstan etc.; i.e. everywhere in the Soviet Union where at the time rich landowners – the so called “kulaks” – were ordered to give up all their harvest to the state, and were promised to receive food rations in exchange.

The regions we call Ukraine happened to have most such kulaks who were regarded as their own Soviet kulaks much as those in the regions along Don and Volga that we denote today as Russia proper and much the same as those in Kazakhstan – the Soviet Kazakhi kulaks – and elsewhere.

Hence the first distinct Ukrainian feature of the famine is the extensive use of the tragedy for propaganda purposes, and specifically for creating antagonism and animosity among the population, leading to distancing and estrangement of once rather homogeneous group, and possibly separation. The other distinction, the larger scale, is merely a consequence of the fact that Ukraine featured (i) larger areas of fertile arable land – and, respectively, higher per capita rate of “kulaks” – and (ii) more zealous local Ukrainian Bolsheviks waging a holy war on their “class enemy.”

And then the writers about Golodomor will not mention that at the time of the famine the top men in charge of Soviet Ukraina were Ukrainian Communists. Most significantly, the top man entrusted specifically with the collectivization policy enforcement was the Soviet Ukrainian Commissar Lazar Kaganovich, and that comrade Kaganovich, one of the few Central Committee’s Secretaries, was Ukrainian even without the “Soviet” degree in front of it.

More important even, you will never hear from the Ukrainian “nationalists” – who would pretend to be Ukrainian patriots, I guess – that several Ukrainian leaders played crucial role for the very survival of Lenin’s Revolution. The fact is, without the participation by the Ukrainian Anarchists the Russian civil war (1918-1924) would have ended with victory by the White (Czarist) Army.

Lenin struck a deal with the Ukrainians and the so called Black Army led by the most prominent Ukrainian Anarchist (some call him Anarcho-Communist), Nestor Mahno, fought on the side of the Red Army. It is my assessment that this tipped the balance. Needless to mention, the Bolsheviks saw to it that after the anti-Czarist military campaign was over their comrades the Anarchists – who wouldn’t care at all about nationality in any sense of the terminology – were either expelled or exterminated (Mahno himself died from tuberculosis in Paris, years later).

The architects of the so much cherished Ukraino-Russian rift would never mention either that several supreme leaders of USSR are from Ukrainian provenance – besides Kaganovich, Khrushchev and Brezhnev come from the region as well… Hence neither the claim that Ukraine has nothing to do with the Soviet adventure – and was therefore a mere victim, as some would love to see it – nor the blame for Golodomor would stick, in my court. If anything, a nationalistic outcry – and call for revenge, maybe? – should be directed to Georgia. Given the Soviets’ big shot of the time was born in the neighborhood of Tbilisi (Tiflis), bad names calling in the direction of Moscow is utterly misplaced – if Kaganovich is found “not guilty.”