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Holodomor (English) The Original Holocaust *Ukraine 1932 - 1933.
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Posted on 04/27/2014 6:43:05 PM PDT by WhiskeyX

The Original Holocaust *Ukraine 1932 - 1933. Video.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: genocide; holomodor; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 04/27/2014 6:43:05 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Wouldn’t the original Holocaust (industrialized murder) be the Turkish Muslim (with German technical ‘advisors’) slaughter of Armenian and other Christians?


2 posted on 04/27/2014 6:48:13 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: WhiskeyX

Thank you.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 6:49:14 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: jjotto

I’m sure the Ukrainians murdered in the millions by the Russians through deliberate starvation really could care less about which of these great genocidal holocausts was the first or the largest.


4 posted on 04/27/2014 6:51:04 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: NFHale

Ping.


5 posted on 04/27/2014 7:03:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: jjotto

Began almost exactly 99 years ago to the day; 24 April 1915. Don’t think for a minute that Stalin wasn’t just as aware of it as Hitler was.


6 posted on 04/27/2014 7:20:32 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: WhiskeyX

It matters because the world did nothing, so Stalin knew the world would do nothing again...


7 posted on 04/27/2014 7:21:44 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: WhiskeyX
Seven million Ukrainians were shot or starved. Several million more were sent to the gulag.

The history of all that hidden by pro communist and pro Soviet leftists.

Didn't Roosevelt refer to Stalin as "Uncle Joe"?

8 posted on 04/27/2014 7:37:51 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: WhiskeyX

Just in time for the 130th anniversary of his birth on Dec. 21, the state-run polling agency VTsIOM released a survey showing that despite the millions of Soviet citizens who fell victim to purges, starvation and summary executions under Stalin’s regime, 54% of Russians now have a high opinion of his leadership qualities. And when asked about his personal attributes, 50% of respondents said they viewed them as average or above average — up from 45% when the same survey was conducted in 2000.

This is no historical accident. The Russian government has been sending clear signals in recent years that Stalin’s achievements must be revered — despite the “mistakes,” as officials often put it, that were made during his time in power. During Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s annual call-in TV show earlier this month, which included several staged questions aimed at sending the public a message, Putin warned Russians against making any “overall judgment” against Stalin. To prove his point, he cited the forced collectivization of agriculture, a process that historians say caused millions of deaths from starvation in the 1920s and ‘30s, when Stalin was general secretary of the Communist party. “It’s true, there was no peasantry left after that,” Putin said. “Everything that happened in this sphere did not have any positive effect on the villages. But after all we did get industrialization.”

Last year, a new history textbook was adopted for schools, which makes mention of the repressions of the Stalin era, but also describes the leader as a “competent manager.” The characterization in the book — written with the help of a historian from Putin’s United Russia party — drew fierce criticism from historians in Russia and abroad. But perhaps the most blatant example of rewriting history yet came in August, when the city of Moscow unveiled an inscription to Stalin in the marble entryway of the Kurskaya Metro station. In giant letters, it reads: “Stalin raised us to be loyal to the fatherland, inspired us to labor and great works.” The praise caused an outcry from human rights groups and opposition politicians, but officials haven’t taken any actions to remove it.

What’s behind the move by the government to rehabilitate Stalin’s image in the eyes of the public? Some opposition politicians believe it’s tied to the United Russia party’s efforts to solidify its power. “The state is hinting that Stalin’s tactics are also part of its arsenal for controlling the country,” says Sergei Mitrokhin, the leader of the opposition Yabloko party. The widespread sympathy toward Stalin, he adds, is also a result of the lingering impact of Soviet propaganda, which the Russian government never tried to erase from the public consciousness after communism fell. “All countries emerging from totalitarianism and evolving into a normal form of government carried out a long and difficult program of reforms and re-education, of coming to grips with the past,” he says. “Germany is still carrying out de-Nazification, while we never even began this process.”

More:
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1949500,00.html


9 posted on 04/27/2014 7:48:02 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special
These are the cadavers of victims of Moscow. Now Moscow wants to say that there are not many Ukrainians in the eastern Ukraine. In Kharkiv most folks speak Russian except in villages where some still speak Ukrainian. But it is the city people who are getting the publicity today. UkraineCirca1933 photo HolodomorHigher_zpsbc5286b7.jpg
10 posted on 04/27/2014 8:12:58 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: WhiskeyX

stalin was a despicable piece of garbage may he burn in Hell forever


11 posted on 04/27/2014 8:13:52 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Monterrosa-24

The video pointed out that Kharkiv was one of the hardest hit areas. There’d be many more Ukrainian speakers there if they had not been murdered.


12 posted on 04/27/2014 8:22:47 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: WhiskeyX

Later


13 posted on 04/27/2014 8:47:16 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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To: WhiskeyX

And let us not forget the Holocaust by Bullets, 1938-1941, also in the Ukraine, by Germans who went village to village with lists, set up camp, pressed local Ukrainians into service, dug a great ditch usually off in the woods somewhat, and executed the Jews with one bullet to the head, all through however many nights it took, covering the bodies loosely with dirt during the day. Some recalled: “The dirt moved!” 1.5 million murdered.


14 posted on 04/27/2014 9:07:38 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: jobim
And then the early forties brought this to Ukraine...

Link

15 posted on 04/27/2014 9:42:39 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: WhiskeyX

Bump


16 posted on 04/27/2014 9:44:25 PM PDT by Argus
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To: jobim

“And let us not forget the Holocaust by Bullets, 1938-1941”

Yes, and let us also note how Germany has received punishment for its war crimes, while Russia and Russians still go unpunished and are often in denial of their Holomodor and Katyn Forest crimes. In the event Polish suspicions eventually are proven to be valid, present day Russia may have renewed the Katyn Forest crimes by the downing of the Polish flight at Smolensk and then executed the survivors of the air crash on their way to commemorate the Russian war crimes in the Katyn Forest.


17 posted on 04/27/2014 9:48:19 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson

“Actually Germany received a slap on the wrist compared to the crimes it has committed.”

Yet Russia and China have each far outpaced the criminal losses of life and atrocities inflicted by Germany and suffered no substantial punishment or even the slap on the wrist for those crimes. So, by your own reckoning Russia and its people still have that slap on the wrist coming to them for their crimes. Many Germans have worked to atone for the German crimes, while Russia has been striving to commit more and more of those same crimes.


20 posted on 04/27/2014 11:12:06 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

I have no doubt they brought that plane down. Remember the video that surfaced immediately afterward that showed people moving among the wreckage, and shots fired?


21 posted on 04/27/2014 11:39:50 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: jobim

“Remember the video that surfaced immediately afterward that showed people moving among the wreckage, and shots fired?”

Yes, that is what I was referencing.


22 posted on 04/28/2014 12:19:10 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: FreeReign

“Didn’t Roosevelt refer to Stalin as “Uncle Joe”?”

It is creepy to see the propaganda films that were shown to American audiences in the early 1940s to generate support for the Soviets; the happy peasants loyally fight & die for the beloved motherland. Americans will never understand fascism or WWII in Europe without understanding the horrors of Communism witnessed by Europe PRIOR TO WWII. While American troops complained about the easy living the French civilians seemed to be enjoying during the war, they never mention that while Americans were dying in the Pacific war Japan and the USSR had a peace treaty in effect (the USSR violated it in the final months to grab territory on the Asian mainland from the Japanese).

Europeans knew about the Ukrainian exterminations, and after that were treated to the Communist atrocities in Spain (which ended shortly before the invasion of Poland in 1939 - by both Germans AND SOVIETS). Europeans knew Hitler was a bad person, and the majority of them decided Stalin was worse.


23 posted on 04/28/2014 4:06:05 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: No One Special

It’s called satanic , sophisticated lying/ brainwashing. We are dealing with hidden forces that want people dead and in hell and Putin is one of their puppet masters.


24 posted on 04/28/2014 4:10:21 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: No One Special

“The Dead” don’t remember; Such is a privlidge only reserved for the living who may elect to decline the opportunity.


25 posted on 04/28/2014 5:03:25 AM PDT by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: WhiskeyX; jjotto

One of my rifle team teammates is of Armenian descent. He’s got a few pictures of his grandfather, with Mauser and ammunition bandoliers, large fighting knife, and huge mustache (a LETHAL mustache) standing over a pile of Turk corpses. There are other equally armed men with him.

The muslim Turks did indeed try to genocide the Armenian Christians. But not it wasn’t free, nor cheap, for some of them... as my buddy’s pictures attest.


26 posted on 04/28/2014 5:34:11 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks for the ping, Dawg Brother.

Woof!


27 posted on 04/28/2014 5:34:33 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: WhiskeyX

Being of partial Ukrainian descent myself, this fosters a special anger in me.

Just another reason to hate socialism and those who preach it.

Thanks for posting, WhiskeyX.


28 posted on 04/28/2014 5:36:59 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: FreeReign

“...Didn’t Roosevelt refer to Stalin as “Uncle Joe”?...”

FDR Loved Stalin, and his administration was riddled with pro-Soviet sympathizers and outright agents.

When you get a chance, do some reading on Alger Hiss and Whittaker Chambers (if you haven’t already).

And FDR’s first Vice President, Henry Wallace, was an open, committed Socialist.

But hey... FDR is a “saint” to the dems, so you can’t say ANYTHING bad about him.


29 posted on 04/28/2014 5:39:31 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson; WhiskeyX

Yeah, ol’ Stalin, and Lenin before him, and Dzerzhinsky, Kamenov, Trotsky (aka Lev Davidovitch Bronstein) - they were all just peaceful, “agrarian reformers”, trying to spread “social justice”, “redistribute wealth”, and make things “more fair and just”.

Sound familiar?

Gee... I wonder if THEY campaigned on “Hope and Change” too... I know they used “Forward!” a lot..

And they weren’t real big on Citizens owning guns, either.

Wonder why...


30 posted on 04/28/2014 5:44:24 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: kearnyirish2; FreeReign

When Hitler and Stalin signed the non-aggression pact, the American communist party and their people in the Democrat party were loudly against our helping Britain against the Germans in 1939-1940. It was “American imperialist aggression” and “an unjust war”.

When the Germans attacked Russia in 1941, however, suddenly, it was “We have to help our Brave Soviet Allies resist Fascist Nazi aggression!!!”

That’s right out of J. Edgar Hoover’s book, “Masters of Deceit” about communist infiltration in America.

Worth the read, if you haven’t read it already.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 5:50:17 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Back when I was in school, our teacher required us to read it.


32 posted on 04/28/2014 5:52:05 AM PDT by sport
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To: NFHale

One of my friends had an Armenian grandmother who fled Turkey to reach safety in Greece. The rest of her family and most of her community of men, women, and children were all murdered by the Turks.

I bear a scar where I was lacerated in an accident and had to have stitches to close the wound when I was very young. The surgeon at the hospital was putting in the stitches when I noticed a numbered tattoo on his arm. I asked him if he was one of the survivors from the concentratoin camps in the Second World War ended not many years earlier. He answered, ye, he was a Jewish surgeon who survived Auschwitz.


33 posted on 04/28/2014 6:18:12 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Same thing happening in CA, really. The farmers are denied water, and it is even diverted out to sea rather than allow the farmers anything. Our federal government controls nearly ALL the western states, although the general public is totally unaware of it. Most today are unconcerned by the government overreach. “Nothing to see here, folks, keep on moving!”

How do we wake up a nation that is being drugged and under-educated, misinformed and entertained? Even many so-called Christians cannot put aside their entertainment and leisure activities to fast & pray or to attend a rally. We seriously don’t care ENOUGH to act on anything because it is not touching us personally YET. When it does, though, it will be TOO LATE to do anything about it. Wake up, AMERICA!


34 posted on 04/28/2014 6:58:19 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: sport

How times have changed, huh?

Now, they’re probably requiring them to read “The Collected Works of Che”...

B*stards.


35 posted on 04/28/2014 7:19:41 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: WhiskeyX

“...were all murdered by the Turks....”

Which the Turks STILL to this day deny doing.

“...he was a Jewish surgeon who survived Auschwitz...”

Not an easy task, for sure.


36 posted on 04/28/2014 7:22:51 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Interesting; I knew an old guy who has since passed away that was active with American communists back then. He quit when the Nazi-Soviet pact was announced, completely disillusioned; since then he (correctly) saw communism as one big lie.


37 posted on 04/28/2014 2:56:29 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

“...Nazi-Soviet pact was signed...”

One form of socialist (National Socialist or “Nazi”) helping the other form of socialist (International Socialist/Communist).

Two types of scumbags, each trying to convince themselves that the OTHER guy is REEEEEALLLY the bad guy.

And they met in the middle of Poland, and murdered hundreds of thousands of people.

Anybody that supports that is a POS.

Read Hoover’s book if you get a chance. It’s enlightening, though somewhat condescending.


38 posted on 04/28/2014 3:01:09 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: WhiskeyX

We should care that they all happened!

NEVER FORGET.

Tyranny kills.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 3:05:00 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: NFHale

Thanks; if I get a chance I’ll look into it.

Winston Churchill was disgusted when the war ended; he knew those British lives had been wasted (since they had originally gone to war for Poland). After the war, Britain had to face the inevitable and give up the colonies; they could no longer be held when so many of the colonized peoples had seen how vulnerable Britain was.


40 posted on 04/28/2014 3:05:17 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

The Japanese overrunning most of the British and Dutch colonies pretty much wiped out the idea of the “White Tuan” or supremacy notion that the Europeans had engendered.

Singapore was a horrific wake-up call to the British psyche - and to the indigenous folks who suddenly saw that the white guys weren’t invincible.

WWII in the Pacific was a Race war between the Japanese Empire and the European/American allies. No one likes to think of it that way, but it was.

Look up “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” and the Japanese slogan “Asia For Asians!” Drive out “the White Devils”.


41 posted on 04/28/2014 3:09:30 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Oh, I understand what motivated the Japanese; Teddy Roosevelt had told them they could have their “co-prosperity sphere” in Asia (during the peace conference ending the Russo-Japanese War in 1905), and they were looking to do just that.


42 posted on 04/28/2014 4:28:43 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

“...and they were looking to do just that....”

Yeah, they took him at his word, didn’t they!

They kicked the hell out of the Russians in 05.


43 posted on 04/28/2014 4:52:57 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

They did well against the Russians; took heavy losses in the land fighting (with results), and creamed them in the naval war.

They knew we had a Monroe Doctrine for the Americas, and wanted something similar for themselves...


44 posted on 04/28/2014 6:06:41 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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