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Why It's Okay to Hate Cliven Bundy
American Thinker ^ | 4-28-2014 | J.R. Dunn

Posted on 04/28/2014 4:12:23 AM PDT by servo1969

It has become clear that Cliven Bundy was transgressed by the New York Times, his words taken out of context and retailed in such a way as to mean something they were not. Bundy is no racist, and the attempt to make him look like one is another step downward in the collapse of American national media.

But conservatives still have a right -- in fact, a responsibility -- to be annoyed with Bundy.

To wit: Bundy did not walk, not stumble, did not swerve into the trap set by the New York Times. He was not ambushed, he was not taken by surprise. He instead ran full tilt and threw himself into that trap, exactly like the kid at the end of Million Dollar Hotel.

Bundy sat across from a reporter for the NYT, the most vicious, calculating, untrustworthy, and dishonest nest of vipers in the entire U.S. media network, and talked straight to him about matters of import and controversy, under the impression that he would understand and transmit his thoughts the way that he actually expressed them.

Nobody, a full century into the progressive era, seventy years into the epoch of big government, and fifty years after the mass media turned anti-American as a matter of course, has any right to do this. Nobody has a right to be that stupid, to be that ill-informed, or to be that self-centered.

Granted that Bundy, a lifetime Nevada rancher, is not the epitome of sophistication. He is not the typical Times reader, even for Nevada. He may well have never held a copy of the paper in his hands, much less read it. But that’s no excuse, because the status and nature of the New York Times has become a truism of American political culture.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; negro; times
I think 'hate' is a little strong.
A better title might have been "Why It's Okay to be Annoyed with Cliven Bundy."
Of course a column with that title might not get as many clicks, right?
1 posted on 04/28/2014 4:12:24 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

To be Bundy isn’t the issue. The federal government is the issue.


2 posted on 04/28/2014 4:16:25 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: servo1969

             


Anyone still think it's hyperbole ? ?

3 posted on 04/28/2014 4:16:35 AM PDT by tomkat (3% +1)
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To: servo1969

I am not annoyed with nor do I hate Cliven Bundy. In fact, I truly admire the man. I listed and watched when he made his statement about blacks and the slave issue and understood from the get-go what he meant. It was NOT a racist remark but Mr. Bundy’s opinion of how dependent blacks have become on the gubmit.

I still support and will continue to admire Mr. Bundy until such time HE himself and NOT THE MEDIA proves otherwise.


4 posted on 04/28/2014 4:19:02 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: ilovesarah2012

EXACTLY: why I’m annoyed at my AT collegues for this one….


5 posted on 04/28/2014 4:19:42 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: servo1969
I am not annoyed with nor do I hate Cliven Bundy. In fact, I truly admire the man. I listened and watched when he made his statement about blacks and the slave issue and understood from the get-go what he meant. It was NOT a racist remark but Mr. Bundy’s opinion on how dependent blacks have become on the gubmit.

I still support and will continue to admire Mr. Bundy until such time HE himself, and NOT THE MEDIA, proves otherwise.

6 posted on 04/28/2014 4:20:45 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: servo1969

The “Racist” Sharpton gets feted at the White House and the White “racists” get rolled and condemned by the Nina Burleigh press.


7 posted on 04/28/2014 4:27:58 AM PDT by BilLies (330,000 WHITE Union military went to their deaths to free the slaves .... REALLY???!!!)
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To: servo1969

ANYONE who didnt see this coming, should open their eyes. Bundy had the obama administration BEAT, so he HAS to become a racist.


8 posted on 04/28/2014 4:30:37 AM PDT by weezel
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To: servo1969

What needs to happen is for this racist accusation needs to blow up in their faces. Smart people need to figure this out. They were about to do “journalistic contortions” to tie Bundy to the KKK murderer. All of a sudden they didn’t have to. Our response needs to be the opposite of their goal. Instead of stripping folks from Bundy we need to see an even greater level of support and it needs to be clearly because we have had enough Alinskyite BS. When their precious race card produces the opposite effect they will quit using it. When they realize that having played the race card turns a situation that was manageable into something seriously out of control perhaps they will reconsider it’s value.


9 posted on 04/28/2014 4:30:39 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: servo1969
Granted that Bundy, a lifetime Nevada rancher, is not the epitome of sophistication.

I figured that out after the "I don't recognize the existence of the U.S. government" comment.

10 posted on 04/28/2014 4:35:50 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: servo1969
Which leads us to ask why anyone is speaking to them (rat media) at all.

The first thing senator Obama did after getting the democrat nomination in 2008 was ban campaign access to Fox News. Outside of conservative circles it wasn't noticed at all.

There is no point for any conservative to deal with 90% of the media. In our information saturated society, there are ways to get the word out, without wasting a moment with the rat media.

11 posted on 04/28/2014 4:36:17 AM PDT by Jacquerie (By their oaths, it is the duty of state legislators to invoke Article V.)
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To: servo1969

How much longer until he is out of the news? Hopefully not long. I guess the NBA owner will overtake the exhaustive coverage of two people who do not deserve even 5 minutes of attention.


12 posted on 04/28/2014 4:36:20 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: servo1969

we shouldn’t hate or be annoyed with Cliven. He didn’t say anything wrong. Whats annoying are those ppl who want Cliven to wise and up act PC. How long til ppl on the Right realize it doesn’t matter how smart you think you are, the media will make a racist out of you.


13 posted on 04/28/2014 4:37:31 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: servo1969
Phooey!

I haven't seen so many articles and op eds about the Democrat (Welfare) Plantation as I have in the wake of Bundy's bringing up that most egregious and unconstitutional case of government overreach.

If the government isn't reaching deeply into your life as the price for the "freebies", then they are reaching into your pocket to pay for them. Either way, it is an abuse of Federal power without Constitutional authorization.

Mad? no. A lot of people have had their eyes opened to the new slavery.

14 posted on 04/28/2014 4:39:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: servo1969
The author states:
“Granted that Bundy, a lifetime Nevada rancher, is not the epitome of sophistication.”
As if sophistication is a high aim of human existence.
Origin: 1350–1400; Middle English (adj. and v.) < Medieval Latin sophisticātus (past participle of sophisticāre to tamper with, disguise, trick with words), equivalent to Latin sophistic ( us ) (see sophistic) + -ātus -ate

As for me, I’ll stand with the plain-truth speaking, non-sophisticated, salt-of-the-earth, Bundy et al.

15 posted on 04/28/2014 4:39:19 AM PDT by rpierce (We have taglines now? :)
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To: servo1969

The Bill of Rights is not just for the likeable and popular. Donald Sterling is discovering the same thing this weekend


16 posted on 04/28/2014 4:42:47 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: 4rcane

If the smartest amongst us (right wing) can’t even stop the media from being labeled a racist, what chance does Cliven.

The problem isn’t Cliven, the problem is you’re asking an impossible task from our side to wise up


17 posted on 04/28/2014 4:43:48 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: rpierce

-—As if sophistication is a high aim of human existence.——

Ahhh but...... sophistication is the aim of New Yorkers. To claim sophistication, even if lacking is the very essance of dwelling in NYC

By virtue of the fact one lives in fly over country, especially far away fly over country is de facto unsophisticated.

hell, his wife probably doesn’t even own a little black dress


18 posted on 04/28/2014 4:44:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: servo1969

The author of the article is right, Bundy’s folly was to walk into the trap the Times set. He had to know they were only interested in setting him up, or at least someone around him had to know, and he took the bait. The only way to ever talk to the Times or any other MSM is using carefully scripted sound bites pushing your side of whatever controversy has the NYT talking to you in the first place. These are your firm answers whether they respond to the actual questions asked or not. You never go off script, especially with any hot button topics. Questions on thises subjects are carefully manuevered back to the main talking point. But I’m not mad at Clive, just disappointed. The Right has a lot to learn about the importance of communicating the message in this age of PR. Some of those people around him should have been well aware of this and smart enough to talk with Bundy about dealing with the media.


19 posted on 04/28/2014 4:46:06 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: servo1969
servo1969:" I think 'hate' is a little strong.
A better title might have been "Why It's Okay to be Annoyed with Cliven Bundy."

Agreed ! Annoyed is definitely appropriate.
But lets understand why the media addressed his statements; they were looking to conduct a character assasination and Bundy gave them fodder.
The man is an anachronism , isolated on 'the range', a family-centered man, who has seen all of his working neighbors and farmers driven off their property
by BIG Government, our FED Govt. and offerred "chump change" after court action, in FED Courts .
When the FED Govt. bullies you "in their courts" with unlimited financial resources, they just wear you down until you are broke or bankrupt.
This is justice ?
The man is opinionated and stubborn, but he is more than willing to express his true feelings
The media mocks him because he has, and is, a Character with more personality than the media and FED Govt.; and he just proved it !
Neither the FED , nor the media can stand the fact that he wasn't bullied into submission.

20 posted on 04/28/2014 4:48:48 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Political Correctness is Tyranny .. with manners ! Charlton Heston)
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To: servo1969

He seems attracted to those cameras like a fly to fly-paper.
But there are some who will defend anything he says no matter how dumb it sounds.


21 posted on 04/28/2014 4:52:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: servo1969
Dunn does have a good point. I wondered myself why Bundy would choose to talk about a subject far removed from the controversy he was involved with. Obviously, the stooge reporter from the Slimes set a trap. And Bundy fell right into it. Nagourney could just have easily asked Bundy a question about homo rights or women's rights, and Bundy would have put his foot in his mouth about those topics. I rightly don't care what Bundy said concerning black people and slavery. He never said he wanted to make black people slaves again, he just said he wondered if they exchanged one form of slavery for another.

Naturally, the leftists twisted his words into a club they could beat him and conservatives with. And this is where Dunn really has a point. Any person who purports to lead a conservative cause does damage to all conservatives when they don't properly articulate their thoughts. Better to keep quiet about certain subjects than make us all wince.

22 posted on 04/28/2014 5:07:02 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: servo1969

What is it day 14 we are still talking about this tripe and not returning to the issue at hand?


23 posted on 04/28/2014 5:09:50 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Progov

Yes, I understood what he meant too. But he should never have allowed a jerk like Nagourney to deviate from the main topic: federal overreach. When Nagourney started asking Bundy questions about blacks and/or race, Bundy should have stopped him right there and said he would only be answering questions about the fed. gov taking land. Nagourney knew that someone like Bundy would probably have non-lib opinions about many topics other than fed. land-grabbing. Why answer his stupid questions about race relations in the first place?


24 posted on 04/28/2014 5:11:57 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

I was really annoyed at all the conservatives (for example, Shawn Hannity, who I can’t listen to because he isn’t that smart)who immediately jumped on this. So many who are supposed to be on our side are really ready to “eat their own” but let the other side slide. Hannity had Sharpton on his show many times and treated him as if he weren’t a race pimp.


25 posted on 04/28/2014 5:12:13 AM PDT by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: Jacquerie

I do not believe BHO2 ordered that. It was the Democrat Party that ordered no campaign access to Fox News. He doesn’t know what he is doing - he is just following directions. That is why his administration is considered a failure, though so far successful in destroying the United States.

90% of the media is not worth talking to and thanks to online communications, one doesn’t have to in order to get a message out to the public.


26 posted on 04/28/2014 5:12:35 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: servo1969

In other words - RANCHER Cliven Bundy isn’t a democrat politician (the republicans don’t do much better many days).

My only annoyance with him is that he should limit his discourse to the subject at hand - BLM and its terroristic tactics.


27 posted on 04/28/2014 5:17:30 AM PDT by MortMan (With friends like these, who is needing enemas?)
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To: TStro
I'm more on the side of Bundy than not, but that doesn't mean I have to accept everything he stands for. If he said he doesn't recognize the existence of the federal government, then he might be a real nut. The federal gov. is a constitutionally set up system....there's no getting around it. Bundy has a point when he argues over fed. overreach. Period. And it does seem he likes the attention. In short, I'm a little wary about making him to be some kind of hero. But that's beside the point.

The fed. gov. cannot just decide to grab land wherever and whenever it wants. And the same libs who are lambasting Hannity and other conservatives for hypocrisy about obeying laws, do not mind in the slightest when leftist agitators break laws or occupy and appropriate public areas for their causes.

28 posted on 04/28/2014 5:22:25 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: servo1969
I don't think any thinking blames Bundy for stepping into it.

How many times was I quoted correctly? Not once. Not a single time. Reporters typically mangle quotes, misunderstand what you’re saying, shift contexts, or deliberately rearrange statements to make them work the way they want. (And there’s nothing you can do about this. Once you speak to a reporter, what you have said is the newspaper’s property. That’s right. Your words no longer belong to you -- according to their interpretation. Your statement is theirs, to do with as they see fit, with no input from you, the schmuck who merely spoke the words. Of course, there’s no legal backing for this whatsoever. But there’s no legal backing for airline baggage handlers destroying expensive musical instruments. Yet they still get away with it.)

"Once you speak to a reporter, what you have said is the newspaper’s property . . . Your words no longer belong to you."

Like the land Bundy's cattle was on.. it did not belong to him. He should undersstand that (article continues below)

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29 posted on 04/28/2014 5:49:44 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: servo1969

Stupid article. Let’s stop being naive. Bundy could have been the second coming of Socrates and spoke eloquently and with sophistication, and still the neo-Nazi oinkers at the NYT would have judged him racist.

Fight fire with fire and call these leftist pigs Nazis. The smear makes them foam at the mouth and makes them physically act like Nazi punks. They will literally start throwing stuff, cry, scream and pound the table. Labeling them Nazis is the liberal’s Achillis heel.


30 posted on 04/28/2014 5:58:03 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

I think everyone notice that the left reached immediately for their “magic word” in order to deflect from the government overreach and the citizens’ response.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 6:00:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MortMan
My only annoyance with him is that he should limit his discourse to the subject at hand - BLM and its terroristic tactics.

You want to CONTROL this person?

I say go

Joe, the Plumber

On the whole rat's nest!!

32 posted on 04/28/2014 6:32:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I have no wish to control him. But my advice to him is that limiting his comments to the issue at hand will enhance his effectiveness in combating the BLM.

Just as he is allowed to express any and all parts of his opinions, I have expressed mine! ;-P


33 posted on 04/28/2014 7:18:06 AM PDT by MortMan (With friends like these, who is needing enemas?)
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To: servo1969

He shot his mouth off without first considering the consequences. But then, which of us has not?


34 posted on 04/28/2014 7:27:49 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: servo1969

The Race Card is the most powerful weapon in the tyranny arsenal. Even those on our side who should know better fall for it and plead to be known as “tolerant”.


35 posted on 04/28/2014 8:00:43 AM PDT by Gritty (Gun controllers aren't afraid of guns but a country where the individual has power-Dan Greenfield)
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To: MortMan

Smile!


36 posted on 04/28/2014 8:09:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wastoute
What needs to happen is for this racist accusation needs to blow up in their faces. Smart people need to figure this out.

Not just this racist accusation, but EVERY racist accusation. The idea of calling someone a racist needs to be exploded. The left no longer (if ever) uses it in a meaningful way; it's just a nasty label they apply, irrespective of the facts, to anyone whom they wish to destroy. Their behavior is no different from that of a Nazi with regard to Jews or a Maoist with regard to "intellectuals" or a Stalinist with regard to "counter-revolutionaries".

37 posted on 04/28/2014 8:14:34 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: servo1969

I’m annoyed at the left wing state run media and the communist totalitarian govt. Mr. Bundy on the other hand is a true patriotic American.


38 posted on 04/28/2014 8:28:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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