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Cliven Bundy, Racism, Politics, and History
PJMedia.com ^ | 4/27/2014 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/28/2014 6:52:34 AM PDT by rktman

Cliven Bundy spouted off racist generalizations the other day as reported by a New York Times journalist, stereotyping blacks in negative fashion, with unhinged referencing to slavery — and after that in an ad hoc talk generalizing about Mexican immigrants in positive condescension.

Does that outburst prove Bundy’s resistance to a bullying Bureau of Land Management is racially driven? Or that his cattleman’s existence on the Western range is now tainted?

What are the general rules about assessing issues when the involved parties voice odious creeds?

The difference between a private life and a public career matters. If cowboy Cliven Bundy were organizing a formal resistance to the federal government by emphasizing racist doctrines, then he would be dangerous in the way Rev. Jeremiah Wright was scary in spouting racist diatribes to thousands in his congregation and on his CDs — including to the future president of the United States.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bundy; confusion; liars; racism
VDH's take on the blm vs Bundy kerfuffle. And other things.
1 posted on 04/28/2014 6:52:34 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman
Over the time I've worked construction, basically my whole life, I've worked w/ thousands of guys just like Mr Bundy.

Plain spoken, no BS, not PC in anyway, but not an ounce of hatred in them. They've worked hard their whole life and and don't need lectured on any "sensibility".

Mr Bundy is the kind of guy that would stop if you were stuck on the side of the road and do whatever was necessary to get you the help you needed. Even if he didn't like you.

There was a time when such men were considered the backbone of this country, now they're treated like rubes and racists.

I find the entire media, right to left, to be entirely despicable and incapable of an honest remark.

2 posted on 04/28/2014 6:59:38 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: rktman

One would suspect, that Cliven Bundy subscribes to something called the “Code of the West”.

Though the Code of the West was always unwritten, here is a “loose” list of some of the guidelines:

1. Don’t inquire into a person’s past. Take the measure of a man for what he is today.
2. Never steal another man’s horse. A horse thief pays with his life.
3. Riding another man’s horse without his permission is nearly as bad as making love to his wife. Never even bother another man’s horse.
4. Defend yourself whenever necessary.
5. Look out for your own.
6. A cowboy is loyal to his “brand,” to his friends, and those he rides with.
7. Remove your guns before sitting at the dining table.
8. Don’t make a threat without expecting dire consequences.
9. Never pass anyone on the trail without saying “Howdy”.
10. When approaching someone from behind, give a loud greeting before you get within shooting range.
11. Don’t wave at a man on a horse, as it might spook the horse. A nod is the proper greeting.
12. After you pass someone on the trail, don’t look back at him. It implies you don’t trust him.
13. Never order anything weaker than whiskey.
14. Always fill your whiskey glass to the brim.
15. Always drink your whiskey with your gun hand, to show your friendly intentions.
16. Drinking on duty is grounds for instant dismissal and blacklisting.
17. A cowboy doesn’t talk much; he saves his breath for breathing.
18. No matter how weary and hungry you are after a long day in the saddle, always tend to your horse’s needs before your own, and get your horse some feed before you eat.
19. Cuss all you want, but only around men, horses and cows.
20. Complain about the cooking and you become the cook.
21. Do not practice ingratitude.
22. A cowboy is pleasant even when out of sorts. Complaining is what quitters do, and cowboys hate quitters.
23. Always be courageous. Cowards aren’t tolerated in any outfit worth its salt.
24. A cowboy always helps someone in need, even a stranger or an enemy.
25. Never try on another man’s hat.
26. Be hospitable to strangers. Anyone who wanders in, including an enemy, is welcome at the dinner table. The same was true for riders who joined cowboys on the range.
27. Never wake another man by shaking or touching him, as he might wake suddenly and shoot you.
28. Real cowboys are modest. A braggart who is “all gurgle and no guts” is not tolerated.
29. Be there for a friend when he needs you.
30. Give your enemy a fighting chance.
31. Never shoot an unarmed or unforewarned enemy. This was also known as “the rattlesnake code”: always warn before you strike. However, if a man was being stalked, this could be ignored.
32. Never shoot a woman no matter what.
33. Consideration for others is central to the code, such as: Don’t stir up dust around the chuckwagon, don’t wake up the wrong man for herd duty, etc.
34. Respect the land and the environment by not smoking in hazardous fire areas, disfiguring rocks, trees, or other natural areas.
35. Honesty is absolute - your word is your bond, a handshake is more binding than a contract.
36. Live by the Golden Rule.


3 posted on 04/28/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: Pietro

Thank you!

It’s what I’ve been saying since this whole stupid thing erupted. Journalists seem to know nothing about working class men and their lives. They are plain-spoken, often profane, and usually politically-incorrect. But when a hurricane or tornedo hits, they are the first on the scene, risking life and limb to save people - black, white and indifferent. They are the heart’s blood of this country. Journalists of all political stripes need to back off on this. Now!


4 posted on 04/28/2014 7:07:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: alloysteel

Everything I needed to know about how to conduct myself I learned from watching Hopalong Cassidy, Roy Rogers, Gene Autrey etc. There are times when one needs to understand when to talk and when to shut the heck up. Sometimes I fail at that one. :>}


5 posted on 04/28/2014 7:07:03 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

A surprising display of cowardice from VDH.


6 posted on 04/28/2014 7:11:17 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: rktman

I wonder how much of this dust up is to take attention away form the missing nukes and possible plan for an EMP attack against America?


7 posted on 04/28/2014 7:14:44 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: achilles2000

Kinda surprised me too. Seems too many are still looking at the words he used and not the truth they told.


8 posted on 04/28/2014 7:14:51 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: mountainlion

Faraday cage? (SP?)


9 posted on 04/28/2014 7:15:31 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

It must be said that Bundy’s clownish remarks have been vastly outclowned by his detractors and our “elite” in general.


10 posted on 04/28/2014 7:15:49 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: rktman

I have old equipment that can survive an EMP. Fuel would be a hassle but there would be no where to go anyway.


11 posted on 04/28/2014 7:19:31 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: junta

Yup. All the lsm and most of the conservatives comment-taters missed the whole point and ran like scared wabbits. Using the wrong words to get your thoughts out can get you in trouble. Must-be-quiet.


12 posted on 04/28/2014 7:20:35 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: mountainlion

Man, I’m hoping McDonalds has a contingency plan. LOL!


13 posted on 04/28/2014 7:21:24 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

I’m usually a big Victor Davis Hanson fan, but this column is way off, not so much as it relates to Cliven Bundy, but as it relates to Donald Sterling. On that point, he has swung mightily at the pitch in the dirt that is thrown time and again and represents the greatest danger.

Sterling—of whom I know nothing other than he probably grew up in the 40s when attitudes were different—appears (the voices on the recording have not been confirmed,but in keeping with the rush to judgment, let’ assume it is him)—made remarks to his ex-girlfirend (who was certainly baiting him with a hidden recorder) IN HIS OWN HOME. These remarks were allegedly made in the course of a heated argument.

Can you imagine if your worst moment was caught on tape—a private conversation where you said things that you would NEVER say in a public forum? Who among us has not had such a moment?

I’m not defending Sterling or his views. I’m defending his right to hold them and voice them in private (versus the crazed Tweeting). I’d love to have private tape recording of conversations from the outraged Magic Johnson, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson, the truly craven Al Sharpton and ANY other stone thrower. This game of manufactured “gotcha” will continue as long as we suffer a culture defined by political correctness and universal offense. As unsavory of a character as Sterling may (or may not) be, it will not stop with him, just as it will not stop with the Mozilla CEO. You may be next.

VDH misses the mark here almost completely.


14 posted on 04/28/2014 7:27:42 AM PDT by Zebra
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To: miss marmelstein
Journalists of all political stripes need to back off on this. Now!

What journalists? Do we really have any or are most of them just trained liberal jackasses to get everything wrong. America is finished. And some are on Fox.

15 posted on 04/28/2014 7:39:46 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: alloysteel

Words to live by.


16 posted on 04/28/2014 7:41:27 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: miss marmelstein

Think hard about all the people who came to Bundy’s ranch to help him. Many are still there & if anything else starts up, more will arrive.

How come the BLM came to the site with a very large backhoe?

Because they KNEW they were going to KILL Bundy’s cows.


17 posted on 04/28/2014 7:53:53 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: rktman; All
I've apparently missed the exact quotation of what Bundy said. I've heard a lot of generalities of what he said, but not the exact quote. The only thing I've read in quotes was the word, "negro". For now, I'm withholding judgement. If I'm not mistaken, he's 67 years old. When Bundy was a young man, "negro" was the preferred and proper usage. It was Malcolm X in the 60's that wanted "negro" changed to "black".

Now, without knowing exactly what Bundy said and basing this strictly on the media's focus on the word usage of "negro", I have to say I am more astonished that Joe Biden"s comment (and the pass given by the MSM and "black leaders") when he referred to candidate Obama as "clean and articulate" as if Barak was the exception to the rule.

If anyone has Bundy's exact quote, please post it to my attention. PS: thanks in advance.

18 posted on 04/28/2014 7:57:59 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl (Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. - Edmund Burke 1790)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Careful there. I’ll be 67 in June so you “know” how I came up. LOL! :>} I’ve seen a lot. From negro to colored to black to africanAmerican to.................... In the early 70’s I saw stenciled frosted glass in doors at a doctors office stating “Coloreds only” and drinking fountains the same way. Old timey doctor’s office in Meridian MS. Did the care they got differ from white folks? Uh, nope.


19 posted on 04/28/2014 8:06:12 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Negro is still a valid word, else the United Negro College Fund would change its name.


20 posted on 04/28/2014 8:11:29 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: rktman
The federal government owns 86% of the land in Nevada and more than 30% of the land in the USA. that's unconstitutional : http://benswann.com/lofti-who-actually-owns-americas-land-a-deeper-look-at-the-bundy-ranch-crisis/ >

the government this much land in Nevada and other states is socialism/communism. the land must be given to the states and individuals NOW. Nothing is more monstrous to me than government owning land

The gov is using 30% of the U.S. land for environmentalism when private companies could be using those vast resources to get oil, oil shale, logging, farmland etc.. Use Google to see that just on government owned lands in the west there is more recoverable oil than all of the rest of the world combined

21 posted on 04/28/2014 8:26:35 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Democrat_media

Maintained with govt (our) money. Purty durn sad.


22 posted on 04/28/2014 8:39:32 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Democrat_media
Senator Mike Lee (R--UT) has highlighted another pernicious effect of federal land ownership in Utah (57% federally owned).

The local taxing authorities -- the county, the school boards, etc. -- are screwed.

Lee describes how they have to go -- hat-in-hand -- to the federal agencies (BLM, NPS, USF&W, etc.) and Congressional committees and ask for "equivalent compensation in lieu of taxes".

Alas, it's never "equivalent", it's never on time and it's never reliable from year-to-year.

Lee evidently attends these meetings personally, lending his weight to the County Commissioners and School Boards -- and believes it's a raw deal for both the local taxing authorities and the taxpayers (who are ponying up the compensation from the government agencies).

Not to mention, the land in question could be far better manaqed by the state, county or private owners.

23 posted on 04/28/2014 8:42:10 AM PDT by okie01
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To: Pietro

Pretty much.


24 posted on 04/28/2014 8:47:16 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: rktman

Yes , and the media hides that from Americans, that the gov owns 30% of land in the USA and 86% of Nevada which is socialism


25 posted on 04/28/2014 8:50:16 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: okie01
good points . also as this article proves it is unconstitutional for the federal gov to own this much land :
http://benswann.com/lofti-who-actually-owns-americas-land-a-deeper-look-at-the-bundy-ranch-crisis/

but the media hides this instead it's look at trayvon martin,LOOK the luge at the winter Olymics, LOOK the missing plane etc.. The federal government owns 86% of the land in Nevada and more than 30% of the land in the USA. that's unconstitutional : http://benswann.com/lofti-who-actually-owns-americas-land-a-deeper-look-at-the-bundy-ranch-crisis/

26 posted on 04/28/2014 8:53:35 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Pietro
There was a time when such men were considered the backbone of this country, now they're treated like rubes and racists.

The dirty little secret about Bundy's remarks, that the Manhattan media elite don't realize, is that a lot (perhaps a majority) of everyday normal people in this country agree with his remarks.

They know exactly what he's talking about when he rails against half a dozen people sitting on the front porch living off "government subsidy."

27 posted on 04/28/2014 9:01:27 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: TennesseeGirl

Video and transcript of remarks that have been talked about.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-controversial-remarks-full-context-video-with-transcript/


28 posted on 04/28/2014 9:03:22 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport

Thank you!


29 posted on 04/28/2014 9:04:55 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl (Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. - Edmund Burke 1790)
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To: TennesseeGirl
I've apparently missed the exact quotation of what Bundy said...

When you find it, please also verify whether you are getting the full unexcerpted version or if you are getting the NYT/Media Matters carefully edited version.

30 posted on 04/28/2014 9:34:22 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: rktman; alloysteel

Thanks for reminding me. I saw Code of the West years ago and wanted to buy a poster to put up at work. Having grown up out west and having known a number of real cowboys I understood immediately. A Code of behavior that exceeds what is legal. Like Christianity. Also these virtues were acted out in all the TV shows with Gene Autry , Roy Rogers, et. Al. We learned these virtues as children if you are my age. I kinda feel sorry for younger folks.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 9:50:36 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Logical me

You’re right, of course.


32 posted on 04/28/2014 11:27:04 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: rktman

One more half-stepping bullshit conservative proudly walks out on the stage and steps on his pecker.


33 posted on 04/28/2014 12:06:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
They know exactly what he's talking about when he rails against half a dozen people sitting on the front porch living off "government subsidy."

He wasn't even railing about the people who are on welfare he was railing about the government for handing it out. The FedMob is like a pedophile who drives around in a van passing candy out to children to gain their confidence. That is what he was talking about.

34 posted on 04/28/2014 12:13:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: rktman
Man, I’m hoping McDonalds has a contingency plan. LOL!

I have a Winchester contingency.

35 posted on 04/28/2014 12:21:22 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: VRWCmember

Deport sent out a link (post 28): http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-controversial-remarks-full-context-video-with-transcript/


36 posted on 04/29/2014 7:10:29 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl (Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. - Edmund Burke 1790)
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