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Why Science Does Not Disprove God
Time ^ | 4/27/14 | Amir D. Aczel

Posted on 04/28/2014 8:50:26 AM PDT by Kartographer

But much more important than these conundrums is the persistent question of the fine-tuning of the parameters of the Universe: Why is our Universe so precisely tailor-made for the emergence of life? This question has never been answered satisfactorily, and I believe that it will never find a scientific solution. For the deeper we delve into the mysteries of physics and cosmology, the more the Universe appears to be intricate and incredibly complex. To explain the quantum-mechanical behavior of even one tiny particle requires pages and pages of extremely advanced mathematics. Why are even the tiniest particles of matter so unbelievably complicated? It appears that there is a vast, hidden “wisdom,” or structure, or a knotty blueprint for even the most simple-looking element of nature. And the situation becomes much more daunting as we expand our view to the entire cosmos.

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Children trying to understand the mind, the works and the power of the Great Watchmaker when the answer is so simple:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Genesis 1:1
1 posted on 04/28/2014 8:50:27 AM PDT by Kartographer
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2 posted on 04/28/2014 8:53:30 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

“Why Science Does Not Disprove God”

God is above proof. Science makes no attempt to prove/disprove God.


3 posted on 04/28/2014 8:54:29 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Kartographer

“science” can’t exist without the Biblical God.

There’s no point to it if you can’t depend on the consistency promised therein.


4 posted on 04/28/2014 8:55:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer
Science doesn't even touch upon consciousness.

Science therefore can't explain us, much less God.

5 posted on 04/28/2014 8:56:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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Placing Infinite on to a microscope slide is a bit tricky. Never seems to be a big enough slide nor made of the right material.


6 posted on 04/28/2014 8:57:15 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Kartographer

“Science” is a word. But when you see what people do under the umbrella of that word, it’s pretty easy to see why that activity can’t disprove God.

I’d like to see them prove human consciousness exists. If they didn’t have it themself, they would never believe it exists.

i.e. Sometimes experience is all the proof you need.


7 posted on 04/28/2014 8:59:34 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Oops. You beat me to it. Looks like we both read C. S. Lewis...


8 posted on 04/28/2014 9:00:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Kartographer
True science is a friend of the Bible.

True science mocks much of what is commonly held and taught in popular culture.

9 posted on 04/28/2014 9:00:24 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: TexasGator

Yes. science does not address supernatural things and cannot prove or disprove God.


10 posted on 04/28/2014 9:00:52 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Kartographer

God’s pretty smart. Why wouldn’t he use science to create and change things?


11 posted on 04/28/2014 9:01:59 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: cuban leaf

Science addresses consciousness.

It doesn’t and can’t address it as a supernatural phenomenon (if one sees it that way) nor as related to the soul.

But the neurophysiology associated with consciousness is studied.

I’m curious, what does CS Lewis say about this?


12 posted on 04/28/2014 9:04:34 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Kartographer

Science thinks they must reproduce God before they believe.


13 posted on 04/28/2014 9:08:53 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: ifinnegan

In his book “miracles” he describes a miracle as something from outside our physical realm entering into it. He uses human consciousness as a perfect example. We have yet to make any progress explaining or measuring human consciousness. We only no it exists because we experience it. The stuff going on in our brain is not consciousness. It is merely the brain computer doing its thing - thinking, generating emotions, etc.

The neurophysiology folks have made zero progress measuring human consciousness. Only the functioning of the mind, which works like the mind of an animal, can be measured.


14 posted on 04/28/2014 9:10:23 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Kartographer
Why is our Universe so precisely tailor-made for the emergence of life?

Seems like the wrong question to me.

That's like asking why our eyes are spaced 65 mm apart and that happens to fit our eyeglasses.

15 posted on 04/28/2014 9:11:23 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And science can’t prove why logic exists or how it can be used to allow science to be relied on.


16 posted on 04/28/2014 9:13:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: BubbaBasher

Why would God “use science”?

Science is simply observation, experimentation, and interpretation of the physical laws.

God created those laws, and has no need to discover them.


17 posted on 04/28/2014 9:14:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Here’s a better one, then -

why is it that the conditions necessary for life coincide with the conditions necessary to let intelligent life observe and explore the creation?


18 posted on 04/28/2014 9:16:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ifinnegan

Roger that. I’d like a pound of love and a quarter pound of hate. Everybody knows they exist, but also everybody knows they’re immaterial. Materialism can’t even come close to answering the most important questions.


19 posted on 04/28/2014 9:16:51 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: TexasGator

Agenda-science constantly makes anti-God statements. While this may not be an attempt at disproving, it is nevertheless a misuse of science.


20 posted on 04/28/2014 9:17:09 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: Kartographer
No scientist,or group of scientists,can give irrefutable proof of God's existence,one way or the other.However,I think scientists,astronomers for one,routinely provide information *strongly suggesting* that God exists.Anyone looking at those photos from the Hubbell Telescope would,at the very least,get the sense that “all this didn't just happen by accident”.
21 posted on 04/28/2014 9:18:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Migraine; TexasGator
Like:

“When people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them that the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the big bang, so there is no time for god to make the universe in. It’s like asking directions to the edge of the earth; The Earth is a sphere; it doesn’t have an edge; so looking for it is a futile exercise. We are each free to believe what we want, and it’s my view that the simplest explanation is; there is no god. No one created our universe,and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization; There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.” Stephen Hawking
22 posted on 04/28/2014 9:21:37 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: cuban leaf

“The stuff going on in our brain is not consciousness. It is merely the brain computer doing its thing - thinking, generating emotions, etc.”

That is highly debatable and can only ultimately be a matter of opinion.

If consciousness is considered supernatural or miraculous, it is beyond the ability of Science to study.


23 posted on 04/28/2014 9:22:42 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Kartographer

what is the origin of time, mr. hawking? the big bang? then what is the origin of the big bang, mr. hawking?


24 posted on 04/28/2014 9:26:14 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: ifinnegan

That is highly debatable and can only ultimately be a matter of opinion.


That is exactly my point.


25 posted on 04/28/2014 9:26:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: ifinnegan

If consciousness is considered supernatural or miraculous, it is beyond the ability of Science to study.


Again, that is exactly the other half of my point (and Lewis’). :-)


26 posted on 04/28/2014 9:28:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Kartographer
Pretending that there is a conflict between science & religion is one of the silliest fallacies that the Left has promoted. Both science & religion have as a primary purpose, the pursuit of truth. As the pioneer American anthropologist, wrote over 160 years ago,

Man can invent nothing in science or religion but falsehood; and all the truths which he discovers are but facts or laws which have emanated from the Creator.

What we call inventions are merely the utilization of aspects of natural reality; the putting together of things that are, in useful ways; often involving new discoveries of what is, and its potential uses. While the theological pursuit is to understand the ultimate source of all things; and maybe. within the limited capacity of human intelligence, to better understand the whys of new discoveries..

27 posted on 04/28/2014 9:29:08 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Kartographer

Forget God for the moment and just confront humanists/materialists with the supernatural, the immaterial. Mind, emotions, beauty, rights, morality. If they cannot explain those by science, how do they think that they can easily dismiss God?


28 posted on 04/28/2014 9:29:30 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Kartographer

2 big reasons:
1 - they aren’t trying, they’re busy figuring out how the world works and not terribly concerned with whose religious beliefs are challenged by their findings
2 - you can’t prove a negative, which they know, which is why 1


29 posted on 04/28/2014 9:30:41 AM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: TexasGator
God is above proof

According to classical documents, humans have "identified" many gods.

Think about it.

30 posted on 04/28/2014 9:30:52 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (Looking forward to November elections.)
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To: Kartographer

It’s amazing Hawking can be so smart by being so stupid.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 9:31:21 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kartographer

> We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the
> universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.”
> Stephen Hawking

So, Stephen Hawking says he is “extremely grateful”.

To whom?


32 posted on 04/28/2014 9:31:38 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Kartographer

-We have this one life to appreciate
-the grand design of the universe

OK
Grand Design without a designer
This makes sense /s


33 posted on 04/28/2014 9:43:27 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Kartographer
and for that I am extremely grateful

And to what are you grateful?

34 posted on 04/28/2014 9:44:48 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Kartographer

since Aquinas has already proven that science, a form of reason based on causality, cannot exist without God as first cause, it follows that darwinin or macro evolution is not science.

by extension, the existence of reason and causality damns all leftist ideology as non-science.


35 posted on 04/28/2014 9:53:17 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Migraine; TexasGator; dadfly; onedoug; Westbrook; HangnJudge; Gay State Conservative
"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."
Carl Sagan
36 posted on 04/28/2014 9:53:55 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: discostu

You can prove a negative. First you determine all possible ways for it to be positive - then eliminate all of them.

This is why Atheists are full of it. They lack the tiniest minuscule faction of knowledge of everything yet claim with absolute certainty they know there is no God. There is noway they can KNOW that. It’s only their personal opinion based on belief with faith mankind will never find enough positive evidence to convince them God exists. Thus Atheism is a belief based on faith = a religion.

IMHO opinion Atheists do believe in God but are terrified of him - why else are they so emotional and hateful of something they do not believe in?


37 posted on 04/28/2014 9:54:46 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: onedoug

That is my observation as well.

These comments: “When people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them that the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the big bang, so there is no time for god to make the universe in. It’s like asking directions to the edge of the earth; The Earth is a sphere; it doesn’t have an edge; so looking for it is a futile exercise.”

are not the mark of an intelligent knowledgeable person.


38 posted on 04/28/2014 9:57:03 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Mechanicos

No you can’t prove a negative, because you can never find all the possible ways for it to be positive for elimination. There’s always some other possible way. Especially when your whole solipsism is based on the supernatural.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 9:57:43 AM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: discostu

Yeah you can with enough knowledge. And Atheist lack the knowledge foundation to support their claim there is no God. At the most they can claim they do not know.


40 posted on 04/28/2014 9:59:26 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Kartographer

Interesting quotes from celebrity scientists.

Is your point to illustrate obtuseness on their part?

Or do these these shallow and specious comments resonate with you?


41 posted on 04/28/2014 9:59:31 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Kartographer

> Carl Sagan

I met Carl Sagan.

Nice guy.

Dead wrong.


42 posted on 04/28/2014 10:07:12 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Kartographer

it’s hard to imagine a first sentence more dripping with condescension, theological ignorance of the Godhead, and inconsistency (Given the deist sentiments he expresses in the second, he should realize that he is proposing that “every sparrow” falls under the constraints of natural law).


43 posted on 04/28/2014 10:10:58 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: ifinnegan
"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." Proverbs 18:2

Many times peoples opinions share much in common as when they assume.

44 posted on 04/28/2014 10:19:08 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Time didn’t exist before the big bang, so there is no time for god to make the universe in. No one created our universe ... Stephen Hawking
HTF does he know what and Who existed before the big bang? It just, happened ... something from nothing all by itself?
45 posted on 04/28/2014 10:27:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: TexasGator
God is above proof. Science makes no attempt to prove/disprove God.

BINGO!

By definition, God must be.

We can deduce that he must exist outside and apart from our Universe. Why?

He's older than it. He predates it. He's larger than it, more powerful than it. He is not bound by Time.

The River (universe) cannot be higher than its Source (God).

Given the parameters above, how can we devise instrumentation that would directly measure God?

We can only use the instrumentation made of the stuff of the universe to measure the stuff OF the universe. Kinda hard to measure the Creator when He isn't bound within it to be measured, made of stuff which we CAN measure. ;)

46 posted on 04/28/2014 10:32:46 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: Kartographer
FACEPALM on behalf of the revered Stephen Hawking. How could he have blown it sooo badly? (Because he's fallible.)

“When people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them that the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the big bang, so there is no time for god to make the universe in.

God existed before Time, independently of it. Hawking's fundamental assumption is that the Creator is BOUND by his own creation--the universe and time.

Wrong assumption. The Creator is not bound by Time, which is His own creation.

Again, the River (cosmos) cannot be higher than its Source (God).

47 posted on 04/28/2014 10:38:49 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: sauron
“When people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them that the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the big bang, so there is no time for god to make the universe in.

By Hawking's OWN standard...he's not making sense.

Let's apply the same standard, shall we?

There was no time for the cosmos to spontaneously create itself, because Time didn't exist before the Cosmos would have tried to bang itself into self-existence.

Gotcha, Hawking. ;)

48 posted on 04/28/2014 10:42:35 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: TexasGator

“God is above proof. Science makes no attempt to prove/disprove God.”

That may be true but many scientists have tried to disproved God.


49 posted on 04/28/2014 10:44:29 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc

Amen dangerdoc, Amen!


50 posted on 04/28/2014 10:49:49 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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