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Black students disciplined at higher rates than whites at Wichita-area schools
The Wichita Eagle ^ | 04/26/14 | Suzanne Perez Tobias

Posted on 04/28/2014 9:19:50 AM PDT by Old Yeller

Black students at schools in Wichita and surrounding districts are disciplined at higher rates than their white peers, a trend that mirrors racial disparities throughout the country, according to the most comprehensive survey of school civil rights data in nearly 15 years.

The findings, part of an expansive survey of America’s public schools by the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights, shows that black students are more likely than whites to be suspended or expelled at middle and high schools in Wichita and most area districts.

Education officials say it’s difficult to pinpoint reasons for the disparities. But local civil rights advocates say overzealous discipline policies or practices continue to target minority students, pulling them out of classrooms and often into the court system. “Statistics speak for themselves,” said David Gilkey, a gang prevention coordinator for the Urban League of Kansas.

“Nothing changes if nothing changes, you know what I mean?” Gilkey said. “It’s been going on for years. This is not nothing new. We just don’t usually talk about it, but it’s coming to the point where we need to address it now.”

Data for the 2010-11 school year shows that nationally, while black students represented 16 percent of overall school enrollment, they represented 32 percent of students suspended in school, 33 percent of students suspended out of school, and 34 percent of students expelled.

In Wichita public schools, black students made up about 18 percent of total enrollment in 2010-11. They accounted for nearly 22 percent of in-school suspensions, 25.6 percent of out-of-school suspensions and nearly 34 percent of expulsions.


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1 posted on 04/28/2014 9:19:50 AM PDT by Old Yeller
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To: Old Yeller

Maybe if they wouldn’t behave like little Trayvons they would be treated like him.


2 posted on 04/28/2014 9:22:27 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Old Yeller

Show me the ones who didn’t do what they were accused of doing.


3 posted on 04/28/2014 9:22:29 AM PDT by henkster
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To: Old Yeller

“Black students COMMIT MORE OFFENSIVE ACTS at higher rates than whites at Wichita-area schools”? Nah. Probably just being discriminated against.


4 posted on 04/28/2014 9:22:40 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Old Yeller

Higher rates at home or at school?

If you add the discipline in both venues are the totals roughly equal?


5 posted on 04/28/2014 9:22:44 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: Old Yeller

I’m just going to throw this out: When a “problem student” gets in trouble, they are usually run through the discipline stuff more readily than the “high performance” student, regardless of race.

i.e. are there more “problem” black students? That would explain it


6 posted on 04/28/2014 9:23:23 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: rktman

Yeah, but the rules they break are “white rules”.
And that’s why they’re being oppressed.


7 posted on 04/28/2014 9:23:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Old Yeller

It seems that the DOE just purchased a brand new pack of race cards.


8 posted on 04/28/2014 9:24:29 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Old Yeller
"Education officials say it’s difficult to pinpoint reasons for the disparities"

To quote Dr. Evil: Riiiiight

9 posted on 04/28/2014 9:24:52 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Old Yeller

Black students at schools in Wichita and surrounding districts are disciplined at higher rates than their white peers...


There are also more black men in prison than whites. But there are also more men in prison than women. Is this because of sexism? Should we have equal numbers of men and women in prison? If not, why not?

The answer may hold a clue as to why there are more blacks being punished.


10 posted on 04/28/2014 9:24:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Old Yeller
[AP Chicago.] Blacks in Chicago and surrounding districts are shot at higher rates than their white peers, a trend that mirrors racial disparities throughout the country, according to the most comprehensive survey of civil rights data in nearly 15 years.
11 posted on 04/28/2014 9:25:25 AM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: Old Yeller



12 posted on 04/28/2014 9:25:52 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: All

that shouldn’t happen because white students commit the same number of offenses as blacks.
hey, I believe it. I mean, this is the same country where a ceo gets on tv and says new York is a great place to do business, so we’ll believe anything.


13 posted on 04/28/2014 9:27:43 AM PDT by willywill
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To: Old Yeller
"Education officials say it’s difficult politically incorrect to pinpoint reasons for the disparities."
14 posted on 04/28/2014 9:28:01 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: willywill

Let’s extend that even further to the absolute absurd.

To call this discrimination would be to claim that

teenage Asian girls commit the same number of punishable offenses as
teenage black males.


15 posted on 04/28/2014 9:29:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Old Yeller
“Statistics speak for themselves,”

Yes they certainly do., and none are mentioned in this article other than the one overlaying one.

My experience as a teacher was that the following student types were disciplined more often:

Boys more than girls

Boys of single mothers

Students embracing rap type culture

Students embracing gang behavior and dress

Students with no strong nuclear family

Wannabe's

Students with cell phones and audio music devices

16 posted on 04/28/2014 9:29:41 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Old Yeller

Black leaders should address the root cause of this — out-of-control black kids.


17 posted on 04/28/2014 9:30:22 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Old Yeller

Or could it be... gasp... that they create more TROUBLE?

Just saying... Captain Obvious AWAY!


18 posted on 04/28/2014 9:31:00 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Old Yeller

Sounds like decision time.

Are they going to clamp down on white students to bring the “disparity” in line, or are they going to back off disciplining black students to bring the “disparity” in line? Maybe a little of both?

Or, are they sane and rational, and disciplinary action is being taken when disciplinary action is appropriate, regardless of race?

Whoever said statistics between any two definable groups were ever going to be the same? What benefit is to be derived from forcing the statistics to be the same via what is tantamount to reward for bad behavior and penalty for good behavior?

Are black students benefitting from avoidance of disciplinary action due to fears of awkward looking statistics? Arguably not.


19 posted on 04/28/2014 9:31:31 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Old Yeller

Black students disciplined at higher rates than whites at Wichita-area schools

And?


20 posted on 04/28/2014 9:32:42 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Old Yeller
Solution: Suspend several white students each month to bring the percentages more in line.

Suspend them for what you might ask?

For fairness.

21 posted on 04/28/2014 9:34:28 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Old Yeller
We just don’t usually talk about it, but it’s coming to the point where we need to address it now.

I'm all for that. But this guy probably won't like my conclusions.

22 posted on 04/28/2014 9:34:53 AM PDT by wbill
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To: MrB

“Education officials say it’s difficult to pinpoint reasons for the disparities. “

If that’s the case then it is obvious what needs to happen. Education officials need to get their money back from where they received their diploma. Because it is clear they are clueless.


23 posted on 04/28/2014 9:35:27 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Old Yeller

I bet you that black students make up a racially disparate percentage of the basketball team and the sprinters on the track team. I bet that non-black students make up a racially disparate percentage of honor roll and graduation qualifiers.


24 posted on 04/28/2014 9:35:58 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Old Yeller
Black students at schools ... are disciplined at higher rates than their white peers,

Unless the comparisons are for similar incidents, the allegations are meaningless

We know from incidents in other schools that nibbling a Pop-tart into the shape of a gun is substantial enough to get a student suspended. IIRC, that particular student was white.
25 posted on 04/28/2014 9:36:49 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Old Yeller
They score lower on standardized tests too. Maybe we can give them more culturally relevant questions

For example,"Treyvon and Quintavius robs a 7/11. Dey gets $143. Is this enough to buy crack rocks for bof of dem or will dey needs to rob another store?"

"Kinesha is 18 and has 3 dependent chillins. Can Kinesh get enough baby daddies to knock her up so that she can haves enough dependent chillins to keep her in pot, beer, lotto tickets and cigarettes without having to steal on her own by dee time she 25?"

26 posted on 04/28/2014 9:37:00 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Old Yeller
Education officials say it’s difficult to pinpoint reasons for the disparities. But local civil rights advocates say overzealous discipline policies or practices continue to target minority students

Right.
It is commonly believed the school administrators and teachers, both of which who are overwhelmingly liberal, and would bend over backwards to give blacks every possible benefit of the doubt.

Either:
1) Black students are really a greater discipline issue, in general, or
2) Liberals are more racist than is commonly believed.

Either or both is quite plausible. I have experience that both is plausible.

27 posted on 04/28/2014 9:37:03 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Old Yeller
“Statistics speak for themselves,” said David Gilkey, a gang prevention coordinator for the Urban League of Kansas.

The problem with your statistics is that they are based solely upon skin color and nothing else. If you had statistics which demonstrated that black kids who get caught breaking the rules have a higher suspension rate than white kids who get caught breaking those same rules, then you have a case. Otherwise, your statistics are meaningless.

28 posted on 04/28/2014 9:37:10 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Old Yeller

“Education officials say it’s difficult to pinpoint reasons for the disparities.”

Of course. If they say that minority kids are break the law more, the will lose their jobs.


29 posted on 04/28/2014 9:38:41 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Ask me what I think.)
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To: Old Yeller

Two of the most dangerous words in the English language are “Disparate Impact”. This is the notion that there’s no need to consider the source or cause of any racial imbalance or inequality. The mere existence of the inequality is sufficient to prove wrong doing and require reparations. (This also works for evaluating women’s pay scales versus men’s.) Essentially it is a blank check for unlimited social engineering and wealth redistribution. Karl Marx would be in ecstasy.

I don’t know if the concept of disparate impact is an invention of the Obama administration, but I sure never heard of it before Obama and Holder took office.


30 posted on 04/28/2014 9:40:04 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: mosaicwolf

A childhood friend of mine had an alcoholic father who’d spank both him and his brother and sister, if any one of them had done something wrong, for “fairness.” What does that sort of mindlessness teach? Fear, avoidance and lying, that’s what it teaches. Me, I think his dad was just a mean drunk and it was an excuse to take it out on his kids. Of those three, my former childhood friend is a messed up adult with substance abuse problems, his sister was shot and killed before she got out of her teens by a violent boyfriend, and the youngest son is a personal injury lawyer who won’t have anything to do with his family.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 9:40:13 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: MrB

Dang. Forgot that part.


32 posted on 04/28/2014 9:40:36 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: expat2

That’s not the root cause.

Here’s a “rooter” cause:

Government policies that incentivize the situation where black kids grow up without fathers married to their mothers.


33 posted on 04/28/2014 9:42:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Old Yeller

False premise since the white students probably do not misbehave nearly as badly as the black students, or with the same degree of intensity.


34 posted on 04/28/2014 9:46:05 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: kidd
Either or both is quite plausible

Good Point.

I had always thought it ridiculous that Schoolteachers - being in one of the more liberal professions, being taught by people who were mostly liberal at institutions ranging from "liberal" to "Raging Liberal", and being steeped in liberalism for most of their lives - would all of a sudden become racist. Unless, as you stated, libs are more racist than commonly believed.

Occam's Razor says that your points 1 and 2 (or both) are absolutely correct. Well stated.

35 posted on 04/28/2014 9:47:29 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Old Yeller
Education officials say it’s difficult to pinpoint reasons for the disparities.

Of course they do. It's politically incorrect to state the obvious truths. We are also confused about why minorities are over represented in prison (with regards to % of populations). Let's just say it's racism instead of talking the reasons for it. This way we can lower the standards for just one segment of the population to make statistics look better. This way we can reconsider the problem later when we again can't figure out why minorities are underemployed and over represented on entitlement programs and in poverty statistics. Thank gawd for democrats. Otherwise we might slow or reverse this cyclical trend.

36 posted on 04/28/2014 9:49:36 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Old Yeller
Data for the 2010-11 school year shows that nationally, while black students represented 16 percent of overall school enrollment, they represented 32 percent of students suspended in school, 33 percent of students suspended out of school, and 34 percent of students expelled.

Black adults represent about 13% of the total US population yet are 50% of the convicted felons, so the schools are just part of the Head Start program.

Career training begins early for the black yutes, mama is a ho and sells crack and there is a known male in only 24% of black tax payer funded, houses.

Since the Great Society debacle, which destroyed the black family, there has been little chance for young blacks to become productive, law abiding citizens.

LBJ and the demonRATS strike again.

37 posted on 04/28/2014 9:50:51 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: kidd
Given that everyone on the left (regardless of color) understands that the disciplinary actions taken are generally warranted, the complaint is nonsensical.

Displinary action is for the student's benefit, not his detriment. Students who respond to discipline in the manner intended become better students and, ultimately, better people.

Therefore, if those on the left complain about the application of discipline, one must conclude that these outcomes are not desired by the left for students of color.

38 posted on 04/28/2014 9:52:53 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: jobim
[AP Chicago.] Blacks in Chicago and surrounding districts are shot at higher rates than their white peers, a trend that mirrors racial disparities throughout the country, according to the most comprehensive survey of civil rights data in nearly 15 years.

Guess Rahm needs to line up whites to be shot in equal numbers to address the inequity....

39 posted on 04/28/2014 9:53:36 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Old Yeller

If anyone — white, black, brown, green, purple — was disciplined unfairly, take it up with school staff. Otherwise STFU on the racism crap.


40 posted on 04/28/2014 10:00:56 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: cuban leaf
I’m just going to throw this out: When a “problem student” gets in trouble, they are usually run through the discipline stuff more readily than the “high performance” student, regardless of race.

That's profiling. And it's correct. Profiling gets a bad rap. When an otherwise honest student, with a clean record, good grades and active parents, they are going to get the benefit of the doubt. My daughter had an issue at school last year when she turned the tables on a bully in the middle of class. She is a teacher's dream of a student. She was going through a tough time and had had it up to her eyeballs with a peer that incessantly teased her and others. I was never so proud of her after getting the call at work from the Principle. He prefaced his report to me with some VERY complimentary things about my daughter. She was in trouble none-the-less, but really wasn't "punished" at school or at home. We did have talk at home. She was awarded her one "mulligan" because the spirit of what drove her behavior was in line with her Christian upbringing.

Take my daughter's same actions and place the perpetrator instead of my daughter as a repeat offender, he/she likely gets suspended or at least some actionable punishment.

So yeah, I agree with you and support the logical course of actions that considers the person and the action, mostly because intent and the likelihood of future expectations for the individuals are different.

41 posted on 04/28/2014 10:01:35 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: rktman

“Black students COMMIT MORE OFFENSIVE ACTS

We aren’t supposed to look at those numbers.


42 posted on 04/28/2014 10:01:42 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: Old Yeller
And boys are disciplined at a higher rate the girls..
so what their point?..
43 posted on 04/28/2014 10:02:19 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: Old Yeller
“Statistics speak for themselves,” said David Gilkey, a gang prevention coordinator for the Urban League of Kansas.

"They never, ever lie, and they're definitely not twisted for political gain!" he elaborated.

44 posted on 04/28/2014 10:02:38 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Old Yeller

Suprise! Suprise! What? The liberal school systems of Amerika disciplining black students. Who is the racist?


45 posted on 04/28/2014 10:06:40 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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“disciplined at higher rates than their white peers”

This statement is asinine on it’ face.

First of all, discipline based on “rates”? I thought it was to be based on non-adherence to school rules.

Secondly, I’ll bet that dollars to doughnuts (what does that mean, anyway?) that the “rates” are skewed to benefit Blacks (non reporting, etc.), so as to not reflect just how bad behavior by Blacks really is. This was routine at Trayvon Martin’s school.

Until Blacks are able to knock that “race chip” off their shoulders, they will never succeed in America.

I’m not implying that Blacks aren’t Americans or that they weren’t born here (like their president). I mean this is AMERICA, not Kenya, not Jamaica, not Japan, not China, not France, not Indian territory, not Afghanistan. It is an amalgamation of all nations.

Amalgamation:
melting pot:
A place where the assimilation of racial groups and ethnic cultures occurs; the amalgamation of qualities or concepts, resulting in an improved or unprecedented end-product. This expression alludes to a large cauldron where dissimilar ingredients are blended to form a distinctive mixture. In the United States, the phrase often refers to the ongoing assimilation of vastly different immigrants into the mainstream of American society. Nonetheless, melting pot often carries its meaning of a medley of heterogeneous elements combined into a single work.

Let me take back part of what I said about Blacks not being “American”.

Actually, many people in various culture groups, NEVER become Americans. Chinese that live in so-called “China Towns” and never bother to learn English or American culture. (Substitute any favorite racial group).

You don’t have to give up your native culture or customs, but they “MUST BECOME SECONDARY”. Being “AMERICAN” has to come FIRST. Otherwise, go live in your “mother country”. (not necessarily birth country).


46 posted on 04/28/2014 10:07:54 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Old Yeller

The cultural disciplianry action for “acting white” is much more severe than the school’s action.


47 posted on 04/28/2014 10:08:23 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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To: Old Yeller
Education officials say it’s difficult to pinpoint reasons for the disparities.

LOL

This is not nothing new. We just don’t usually talk about.,

Double LOL. Race is all you talk about.

48 posted on 04/28/2014 10:08:51 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Old Yeller

For every one that gets disciplined, there’s about a hundred that gets away with stolen merchandise from Walgreens or similar stores:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQpMBQskT0


49 posted on 04/28/2014 10:12:33 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: faucetman

” I’ll bet that dollars to doughnuts (what does that mean, anyway?)”

That is a holdover from a time when a dollar was worth a whole lot more than a donut. Like when a donut could be had for a nickel. So it means I am so sure of myself that I would 5 (or whatever) dollars against 5 relatively worthless donuts. Because I think I can’t lose.


50 posted on 04/28/2014 10:12:45 AM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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