Skip to comments.United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage
Posted on 04/28/2014 10:29:12 AM PDT by GIdget2004
A group of Charlotte-area ministers have helped launch the countrys first faith-based challenge to same-sex marriage, claiming in a lawsuit filed Monday that North Carolinas laws block them from practicing their religion.
The local religious leaders, who include a rabbi, are joined by colleagues from Asheville and Raleigh along with a national denomination, the United Church of Christ. All of them support the rights of same-sex couples to marry.
They say state prohibitions, including a constitutional amendment passed by voters in 2012, violate their First Amendment right of freedom of religion.
The core protection of the First Amendment is that government may not regulate religious beliefs or take sides in religious controversies, says Jonathan Martel, a Washington, D.C., attorney helping with the case.
Marriage performed by clergy is a spiritual exercise and expression of faith essential to the values and continuity of the religion that government may regulate only where it has a compelling interest.
The lawsuit was expected to be formally announced in 10:30 a.m. Monday press conference at Holy Covenant United Church of Christ. Church pastor Nancy Allison is one of the persons suing Attorney General Roy Cooper and other state officials, asking that the federal courts in the Western District of North Carolina strike the laws down.
It becomes the 66th legal challenge to marriage bans now in the courts, three of them in North Carolina. But it is the first to attack same-sex marriage bans on religious grounds, said Charlotte attorney Jake Sussman, lead counsel for the group.
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Can’t the clergy still perform these marriages?
It’s the civil marriage that is banned,isn’t it?
BS they can perform “marriages” all they want, they just can’t make them legal.
But government forcing people to act AGAINST their religious faith is somehow constitutional?
Servants of Satan
These so-called pastors no doubt preside over failing churches and congregations of nearly zero.
They have put themselves out there for propaganda purposes only.
Until then, someone should tell these clowns to read up on their theology.
Spot on. There is no “ban”, but rather a legal definition of marriage that does not include homosexual pairings.
Or “normal”. The real and only goal here.
An amicus brief in support of the so called “ban” by avowedly Christian and Jewish churches should be filed to act as a separator from those no-longer-Christian churches that support the union of Bob and Gary.
This should be immediately thrown out of court based on lack of standing. If this “church” wants to play house, there is nothing stopping them.
Nothing is stopping them from marrying whoever they deem suitable for marriage. But there would be no way to punish those who disagree with them. So the state needs to be involved to provide a way to punish those who disagree with them about it. I mean, they won’t even marry members of their own faith unless the state gives them permission, so the actual marriages in question must not actually be too important to them.
Even if what they pretend is a religion permits gay “marriages”, state prohibitions on imitation marriages do not infringe. It’s the same as Mormon polygamy - FedGov prohibited polygamy, which LDS permitted Polygamy, with the result that Mormons could not have more than one wife at a time. I’m a very big fan of freedom of religion, but no religion has ever required gay “marriage” and only recognizing real marriages does not affect freedom of religion.
It should be if the judge follows the law. But I doubt it.
Someone just took their lamp and tossed it into the abyss.
Bob would not be pleased at our mirth, at his expense.
Hey! Why is it always “Bob”? C’mon, there are lots of us and we get no respect at all. How come there’s never been a President Bob? We’ve had a Millard, a Zachary, a Ulysses, a Woodrow, and for pity’s sake, even a Barack, but a Bob? Noooo....
the authentic Church.....of God....in Christ...thinks these people are sleazy moral-morons!
How about this "compelling interest"... Refer to the Federal Government's very own Centers for Disease Control website! When a Sodomite "wedding" is consumated there is a documented HEALTH RISK! Why do people ignore this elephant in the room?
>> Marriage performed by clergy is a spiritual exercise and expression of faith essential to the values and continuity of the religion that government may regulate only where it has a compelling interest.
While there are certain practical benefits to having the state recognize marriage, I prefer it not be involved in the affairs of marriage given the states’ affinity to sodomy.
Bob is pleased by your deference. :-)
And “President Bob” would be an EXCELLENT FReeper Name. Too bad I’ve been here too long to bother changing.
"Many will be deceived."
This is Rev. Wright’s denomination. As another FReeper so eloquently put it: “Socialism with a steeple.” Another formerly mainstream denomination that has been thoroughly corrupted from within, and lost well over half their membership.
This is a copy of the complaint. It’s actually filed by several from United Church of Christ, a few Unitarians, a Lutheran or two, and a Rabbi.
Sure don’t sound like any Church of Christ I’ve ever been to. Sure ain’t the Pottsville,KY CoC.
Obviously these supposed clergymen have never read a Bible!!
There is nothing that prohibits them from performing the ceremony. It just won’t be recognized as legal in the eyes of the law.
The definition of marriage is one man, one woman, at its core. Not merely “any two people who love each other”.
Never been that. Never will be that. One man. One woman. Joined in holy matrimony.
Words mean things and definitions of terms are what they are. Legally words mean exactly what they mean as well. Contracts are specific. Laws are worded explicitly.
Marriage is, what it is. It is not two men. It is not two women. It is one man, one woman joined together by the one True God of the Bible, in wedded bliss.
Marriage is the foundation of the God-blessed, family unit. The root of the family tree for that couple.
This is why definitions are important to defend. You don’t just let your enemies hijack your terms and control the language of the debate.
“Too bad Ive been here too long to bother changing.”
Yeah, me, too. But please, here’s a great opportunity to make a lot of really nice people happy. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
I read the complaint. Thanksfor attaching it. Yes, it was nauseating. I would be happy to draft a reply for the State of North Carolina. It would be very simple:
In the complaint, the Plaintiff keps using the word “Christ.” I don’t think that word means what they think it means.
Can’t wait for the Muslims to sue for polygamy.
Is that the Church ZERO CLAIMS to belong to as a Christian?
Couldn’t be. With his ego, he’d only worship at the “Church of Himself”.
If them, why shouldn’t Moslems be able to practice polygamy?
NO, no GAY MARRIAGE in NC. (Do not mess with my state), but how cute that they are trying!
Yes, it is. It is a “church” in name only, but does accurately reflect 0bama’s values.
“They say state prohibitions, including a constitutional amendment passed by voters in 2012, violate their First Amendment right of freedom of religion.”
These alleged Christian clergy do not understand the First Amendment and Freedom of Religion.
The entire concept of the First Amendment in a Christian nation is to protect their freedom of religion and not have that freedom corrupted by the state by forcing churches to go against the Bible.
There’s nothing at all stopping any of those “churches” from marrying whoever or whatever they want.
The Bible and the First Amendment should be enough to stop them.
As a contrast, some of the better known members of the United Church of Christ include Howard Dean, Julian Bond, Jim Jeffords and Jon Corzine. Compare that to prominent church of Christ members including Ken Starr (recently converted to Baptist as president of Baylor), Ted Poe, Fred Thompson and, surprisingly, Meat Loaf.
a desecration of the altar which destroys its true purpose. Just so will Antichrist establish an abomination in the sanctuary, a demonic counterfeit worship
I am not a lawyer but I enjoy reading the way judges take apart these garbage arguments. But with the courts the way the are now they’ll probably win.
Exactly right. All word play with them to get unspoken consent of all.