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Groysman: Ukraine shuts off Crimea's water tap
Kyiv Post ^ | April 29, 2014, 12:07 p.m. | Katya Gorchinskaya, Vladyslav Golovin

Posted on 04/29/2014 3:16:47 AM PDT by WhiskeyX

Ukraine has stopped supplying water to Crimea through the North Crimean water channel, deputy Prime Minister for Regional Policy Volodymyr Groysman told the Kyiv Post on April 25. Until Russia and Ukraine sign an agreement regulating water supplies to Crimea, Groysman said, water supplies from mainland Ukraine will be cut off.

Crimea relies on the rest of Ukraine for 80-85 percent of the water that it consumes.

"It used to be an integral system, but because of the occupation of Crimea, there is now a question – who will pay for the water?" Groysman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; russia; ukraine; water

1 posted on 04/29/2014 3:16:48 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: maggief; LucyT

Oops


2 posted on 04/29/2014 3:20:09 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: WhiskeyX

Not a nice tactic. And if it’s only about who pays for the water, there’s something about the gas bill the Ukraine owes which is waaaaaaaaaaaay more than the water bill.


3 posted on 04/29/2014 3:33:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
“Not a nice tactic. And if it’s only about who pays for the water, there’s something about the gas bill the Ukraine owes which is waaaaaaaaaaaay more than the water bill.”

Russia is using “Not a nice tactic” by refusing to discuss contracts or payment for deliveries of water, so it appears the Ukraine has no better recourse than to deliver water when contracts and payment are forthcoming.

What “gas bill” are you talking about? You perhaps mean the contract which Russia abrogated with an illegal invasion and thereby voided. You know, the contract wherein Russia (1) guaranteed the territorial integrity of the Ukraine and its territory in the Crimea and (2) guaranteed a discounted price for the natural gas deliveries in exchange for (3) a naval base and other bases on Ukrainian territory in the Crimea in limited numbers and for a limited period of time. If that is the “bill” you are talking about, you should already be aware that Russia's invasion of the Ukraine created a state of belligerency or war against the Ukraine, and that belligerency gave the Ukraine the right under international law to suspend and/or void all contracts between the two states pending the end of the belligerency and reestablishment of normal diplomatic relations. All belligerent assets seized are to be administered on behalf of the belligerent power by a trustee, and any war reparations may then be satisfied from the funds resulting from the sale and liquidation of those assets at the end of the war. The Ukraine's war reparations obtainable from Russia include compensation for damages and penalties for the illegal Russian occupation and annexation (alienation) of the Crimea. So, if you want to talk about who owes how much to whom, you have a lot of work left to do to add up all of the war reparations Russia is liable to owe to the Ukraine for the criminal acts against the Ukraine.

4 posted on 04/29/2014 4:00:30 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

An act of war.


5 posted on 04/29/2014 4:11:57 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: WhiskeyX

Putin’s “Casus Belli”.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 4:14:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: junta

“An act of war.”

Yes, Russia’s invasion and annexation of the Crimea and invasions of the rest of the Ukraine were “an act of war” and grave violations of international law of a kind which resulted in the earlier International Military Tribunal (IMT) hanging a number of the planners and perpetrators. If Russia as the aggressor belligerent wants to take deliveries of water on behalf of the Ukraine, there is nothing to stop Russia from entering into the contracts through the trustee of Russia’s assets being held pending the payment of war reparations. Russia has the ability and the responsibility to turn the water tap on or off by simply paying the relatively trivial water bill like any normal customer, instead of holding the Crimean customers hostage to promote false war propaganda.


7 posted on 04/29/2014 4:19:17 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: dfwgator

Putin’s “Casus Belli”.


Russia already stole the Crimea, and now you want to give Russia some kind of right to steal the water for the stolen Crimea. Such behavior on your part qualifies you as a pro-criminal Russian propagandist.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 4:22:20 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Calm down, geez. I am just saying that Putin could use it as his Casus Belli, not that I agree with it or support Putin. Ukraine better be prepared to back up the checks they’re writing here.


9 posted on 04/29/2014 4:25:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: WhiskeyX

If you can make the case Russia is racist then we should go to war, its up to you.


10 posted on 04/29/2014 4:28:23 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: junta

LOL ! I used to come here for for serious discussion, these days mainly for entertainment :))


11 posted on 04/29/2014 5:06:34 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Sacajaweau
Not a nice tactic.

Neither is sticking Ukraine for gas, which the Russians already did. Neither is flaking on the Russians for payments, which the Ukrainians already did.

12 posted on 04/29/2014 7:50:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

And we are back to 1930. Starve them into submission.


13 posted on 04/29/2014 7:51:10 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Brilliant move. Isn't Crimea still a peninsula? Still surrounded by water? So now the Russians will build what's necessary to provide the water without depending on Ukraine. Besides which, doesn't it give justification for Russia annexing a strip of land to connect Crimea to Russia until the emergency is resolved?

I'm reading all of the stuff people are posting here and they're leaving out one detail. Russia has not cut off gas to Ukraine even though the bill is unpaid. So where's the justification?

Is it just me, or is this Kiev coup gov incapable of good decisions?

14 posted on 04/29/2014 7:58:17 AM PDT by grania
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To: Sacajaweau

“Not a nice tactic. “

This is often a declaration and cause of war in the past.


15 posted on 04/29/2014 8:06:30 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: WhiskeyX
Your post is why most of us should just shut up about this. We don't know what's going on. Even if we heard all the news, we still wouldn't know what's going on.

I can't get excited about either side here. I just know this is all Obama’s fault.

16 posted on 04/29/2014 8:10:53 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: WhiskeyX

The same water that they denied cutting off a few days ago???


17 posted on 04/29/2014 8:18:25 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: grania

“Is it just me, or is this Kiev coup gov incapable of good decisions?”

Not only is the coup government not making good decisions, they are purposefully antagonizing the big guy with all the guns next door.

They are being pushed hard by the Soros/Omidyar/USAid-financed hard-right radicals, as well as by the Obama administration, their financier.

It seems as if they are TRYING to prod Russia to action, and that is most likely coming from Washington.


18 posted on 04/29/2014 8:22:50 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: grania
I think they're tempting Russia to cut off the gas. I believe Gazprom is the major supplier for both Ukraine and much of the EU and he's on the new list of assets to freeze.

Same low life folks from the 2004 Revolution.

19 posted on 04/29/2014 8:24:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: WhiskeyX

IF the US cuts off oil to Japan there might be a war. Oh, wait...


20 posted on 04/29/2014 8:27:02 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: tcrlaf

http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/soros-heavily-invested-in-ukraine-crisis/


21 posted on 04/29/2014 8:27:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tcrlaf
It seems they (Kiev)are trying to prod Russia to action....

I wrote that suspicion yesterday and got cyber-shouted down. I suspect that what Soros and the US don't want is an election and that mess in Kiev voted out.

22 posted on 04/29/2014 8:37:10 AM PDT by grania
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To: tcrlaf
They are being pushed hard by the Soros/Omidyar/USAid-financed hard-right radicals

I'm a charter member of the Hard Right. I've never seen Soros/Omidyar/Obama at any of the meetings.

23 posted on 04/29/2014 8:39:03 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: tcrlaf

First “coup government” ever, that announces elections within 45 days.


24 posted on 04/29/2014 9:16:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: WhiskeyX

Thanks for introducing this timely and valuable news site.


25 posted on 04/29/2014 9:32:34 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: WhiskeyX; Admin Moderator

Are you still up to those kinds of comments?


26 posted on 04/29/2014 9:54:54 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: demshateGod

Yup. and all the hyperpatriots running around the Russia threads spoiling for the good old says of the Cold War intentionally ignore that FACT when they puff out their chests so very impotently.

This whole thing BEGAN when our State Sept tried running an Occupy Ukraine scam.


27 posted on 04/29/2014 9:57:41 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: dfwgator

I agree.

Most Americans, like myself, want to stay out of this. Sanctions is all we should do, although it is probably too little, too late. No arms supplies, though: Obama’s track record at any kind of interventionism, action, acting, etc on foreign policy is horrible at best (look at Libya (Benghazi), Syria, Egytp).

RINOs don’t want people to take this stance, but Israel voted in the UN to basically stay out of this.


28 posted on 04/29/2014 10:00:45 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: tcrlaf

“The same water that they denied cutting off a few days ago???”

You either (1) failed to read the aritcle or (2) read the article and deliberately misrepesdented what you read. The actual statement was “will be cut off”, and it DID NOT say ARE cutoff:

“Groysman said, water supplies from mainland Ukraine will be cut off. [....] Interestingly, the State Water Resources Agency denies the stoppage of water supplies to Crimea through the North Crimean channel. It only admits that since April 28 the speed of water flow has slowed – it decreased to 11.1 cubic meters per second from 13 cubic meters per second on April 23.”

The agency emphasizes that Crimea still receives water, though there are no legal grounds for that. Since April 28, Crimea started taking away 35 percent more water, according to the agency.


29 posted on 04/29/2014 10:08:19 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks WhiskeyX.
"It used to be an integral system, but because of the occupation of Crimea, there is now a question -- who will pay for the water?" Groysman said.

30 posted on 04/29/2014 10:31:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“IF the US cuts off oil to Japan there might be a war. Oh, wait...”

Given how Japan was planning to wage war upon the United States sometime between 1941 and 1944 regardless of whether or not the United States aided and abetted Japan’s aggressions with continued supplies of war material, the false accusation served as false propaganda for Japan. Now you are reviving the Japanese false proopaganda from the Second World War to use on behalf of the criminal acts by Russia threateneing a potential Third World War.


31 posted on 04/29/2014 10:38:59 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Just shut it off on principle. They stole your land. Stop the water.


32 posted on 04/29/2014 10:50:00 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Not withstanding this actually happened awhile back, if your house was on fire or you were really, really thirsty would you rather have water or gas?


33 posted on 04/29/2014 11:20:09 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: tcrlaf

“that is most likely coming from Washington.”

What’s the end game?


34 posted on 04/29/2014 2:32:48 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: dfwgator

So far as I can tell, that water comes from a large reservoir on the Dniepre (Dnieper) River, located in a not pro-Russian part of Ukraine. Possibly Ukraine is trying to force Moscow’s hand, to go into a region the Russians would find very costly to hold.

Another angle (I do not know if it is true) is “Russian militants raided through water pumping installations, they laid mines so now Ukrainian technicians can’t access those installations.”

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/maydan/updateapril27.html

If that’s case...


35 posted on 04/29/2014 5:18:27 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: WhiskeyX
At least this channel looks pretty shut off to me:

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/maydan/updateapril27.html

Google mapping shows most of the water to Crimea would have to come from two channels: E105 (already looks dry on Google - exact image date unknown) and E97 (still has water in it as of whenever the sat photo was taken.)

Maybe some Freeper has access to more recent images?

36 posted on 04/29/2014 5:36:35 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.

The Crimeans should pray for rain.


37 posted on 04/29/2014 5:38:46 PM PDT by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: miserare

Eh, well, there’s a major problem developing upstream, anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prydniprovsky_Chemical_Plant_radioactive_dumps


38 posted on 04/29/2014 5:46:52 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.

According to the news articles the channels are closed part of the year in the Winter, so they would be expected to be dry during the routine seasonal closures. We also don’t know whether or not the water was flowing at a rate that was low enough to result in sections of the channel going dry in the higher elevatons until enough of the water accumulated in the lower elevations to spill over the tops of the higher elevations. In other words, just because sections of the channel are dry at a particular time does not necessarily indicate the flow of water from the source has been altogether shut off.


39 posted on 04/29/2014 5:54:41 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Crimea is not valuable territory. It has no water, no oil, no gas, no farmland. It’s a barren rock. Crimea will cost Russia more than it’s worth. Putin stole this territory not because it is strategic or valuable, but because it is a symbol of Russia’s lost glory and greatness. Putin’s Russia is not a great civilization however, but a revanchist, ethnonationalist dictatorship ruled by a stupid murdering thug.


40 posted on 04/29/2014 6:07:25 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: grania
Is it just me, or is this Kiev coup gov incapable of good decisions?

The problem is just you. For example, there is no coup gov in Ukraine. The interim Ukrainian government is just the Ukrainian rada that was democratically elected in October 2012. Yanukovych wasn't overthrown. He fled to a foreign enemy since he knew impeachment was inevitable.

If you can't even get this right, what makes you think you can judge anybody's decision making?

41 posted on 04/30/2014 7:34:21 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; WhiskeyX; Admin Moderator
Are you still up to those kinds of comments?

I agree with him. The Pro-Kremlin trash is getting very tiresome on this forum. It is indeed pro-Criminal every time these people repeat the claim that Ukraine is run by Nazis and was toppled in a "coup." I haven't met a single one of these people who've bothered to reply to the fact that the interim Ukrainian government is only the same Ukrainian Rada that was democratically elected 2 years ago. Similarly, they keep claiming that Kyiv is being run by Right Sector. Right Sector has a membership of 2,000 to 10,000 members tops nationwide, in a country with a population of 45 million people. They have no members in the Ukrainian Rada. They poll in the 1 to 2 percentile, right next to Svoboda. Meanwhile, Russia is a dictatorship where, without any doubt, people are murdered for opposing the regime, with a state controlled media, and these guys keep posting trash from Russia Today.

I say, call it for how we see it: The promotion of Kremlin propaganda is pro-criminal!

42 posted on 04/30/2014 7:42:04 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"...I say, call it for how we see it: The promotion of Kremlin propaganda is pro-criminal!..." Yes the Putler promoters are pro-criminal and in support of the past genocide of Ukrainians via orders from Moscow. And now Moscow claims there are not enough true Ukrainians in the larger towns of the Eastern Ukraine. The world should express outrage at this but instead an NBA owner gets depicted as the threat. UkraineCirca1933 photo HolodomorHigher_zpsbc5286b7.jpg
43 posted on 04/30/2014 11:05:37 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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