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DOJ's 'Operation Choke Point' May Be Root of Porn Star Bank Account Closings
Reason Hit & Run ^ | April 29, 2014 | Elizabeth Nolan Brown

Posted on 04/29/2014 5:11:21 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer

Despite being in good financial standing, adult film performers and others in the porn industry have had bank accounts abruptly terminated—and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) may have had something to do with it.

Under "Operation Choke Point," the DOJ and its allies are going after legal but subjectively undesirable business ventures by pressuring banks to terminate their bank accounts or refuse their business. The very premise is clearly chilling—the DOJ is coercing private businesses in an attempt to centrally engineer the American marketplace based on it's own politically biased moral judgements. Targeted business categories so far have included payday lenders, ammunition sales, dating services, purveyors of drug paraphernalia, and online gambling sites.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banking; guns; pornography; regulation
Exactly how does the government get the authority to force banks not to do business with those engaged in legal activities?
1 posted on 04/29/2014 5:11:21 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: GrootheWanderer

How long until they apply this to guns owners, gun dealers, gun manufacturers, etc.


2 posted on 04/29/2014 5:13:58 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: GrootheWanderer

while forcing private businesses to make wedding cakes and take photography to celebrate any ceremony the customer demands


3 posted on 04/29/2014 5:14:57 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: GrootheWanderer
They're doing it to the firearms industry as well.
4 posted on 04/29/2014 5:16:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: GrootheWanderer
"Operation Chokepoint is flooding payments companies that provide processing service to those industries with subpoenas, civil investigative demands, and other burdensome and costly legal demands," wrote Jason Oxman, CEO of the Electronic Transactions Association, at The Hill.

See, they're not forcing anybody to do anything. Just making a suggestion they can't refuse.

5 posted on 04/29/2014 5:18:00 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: jim_trent

The article says they already are.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 5:19:49 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: GrootheWanderer

Can you imagine the outraged screaming if Ashcroft had done this?


7 posted on 04/29/2014 5:22:02 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Hugin

I don’t understand why they would attack the porn industry. That occupation is a pillar of progressivism. Pornography is promoted and glorified on TV and in our schools constantly. It is the main tool of political correctness and cultural Marxism to destroy families and religion.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 5:23:11 AM PDT by bigtoona
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To: jim_trent

Bank of Amigos

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/20/anti-gun-bank-of-america-tells-gun-company-to-find-another-bank/

I’m sure DOJ and IRS would NEVER harass people/businesses they don’t like...


9 posted on 04/29/2014 5:23:25 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: GrootheWanderer
Interesting, I found this site dedicated to exposing the program:

stopthechoke.com/

10 posted on 04/29/2014 5:23:46 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Hugin

> See, they’re not forcing anybody to do anything. Just making a suggestion they can’t refuse.

Thats what happens before a soft tyrrany turns into a hard tyrrany (they make suggestions). They will convert to a hard tyrrany the second they disarm their citizens.


11 posted on 04/29/2014 5:24:09 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jim_trent

This is part of helping to set the precedent to do that. If they do it across a wide swath of “undesirable” industries, the perceived disparate targeting/impact of the firearms industry is reduced. And in fact reinforces the perception that guns are bad by linking them through guilt by association to porn, drugs, etc.


12 posted on 04/29/2014 5:26:40 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: GrootheWanderer; All

Okay, not a supporter of the porn industry - My choice, but a) I do support freedom and b) Is this badork odumbo’s way of enforcing his “muslim faith.”

Muslim men are not allowed to view porn, right?


13 posted on 04/29/2014 5:27:24 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: bigtoona

No joke, but most of the porn people that I have read about being involved in politics were either Republicans or Libertarians. I recall a few years ago it came out that a GOP county officer in Nevada was a porn star. and going back to the Bush administration I remember it was a big scandal when it was revealed that one of his California donors was a former porn star. And one of the free LA weeklies looked up the political donations of porn execs and found they skewed to the Republicans and Libertarian Party.


14 posted on 04/29/2014 5:28:05 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: sickoflibs

I can see good coming out of this. Liberals HAVE to have their porn to feed their depravity. They won’t like this one bit. Between being forced to pay for Obamacare and the porn industry being impacted they will switch teams and begin to hate the man. I see a bad moon arisin’....


15 posted on 04/29/2014 5:29:16 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jim_trent

How long before they collude to target people for what they BELIEVE?

Don’t support sodomy, no bank account for you.

You think manmade global warming isn’t true, then you don’t deserve to buy gasoline.

You deny macro-evolution while believing in the virgin birth and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, to the FEMA camp you go.


16 posted on 04/29/2014 5:30:40 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: GrootheWanderer
re: Exactly how does the government get the authority to force banks not to do business with those engaged in legal activities?

They take it. This has been coming since 1900 with an occasional push-back. Now due to the complicity of one party and the timidity of the other, the Federals are damn close to completely subjugating us all.

17 posted on 04/29/2014 5:32:40 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: GrootheWanderer
Under "Operation Choke Point," the DOJ and its allies are going after legal but subjectively undesirable business ventures by pressuring banks to terminate their bank accounts or refuse their business.

So now we know why Chase is canceling firearm accounts and refusing to process firearm related credit card purchases.

18 posted on 04/29/2014 5:33:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: bigtoona
I don’t understand why they would attack the porn industry. That occupation is a pillar of progressivism.

You're thinking logically.   ;-)   Think like a progressive; where everything is based on political pull and not financial rationale. This is just the Regime signaling that they'd like a political donation. Following that, I'm sure this problem would magically disappear. That, and of course appointing a few important ex politicians to the boards of director for some of these companies. If you want to know how the Dems operate, just think mafia. It's really not much different, except the mafia has more honor.

19 posted on 04/29/2014 5:33:57 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: GrootheWanderer

Unless you have the Beast’s name or number on your person, you cannot buy or sell.


20 posted on 04/29/2014 5:35:06 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: bigtoona

Government doesn’t need a reason to expand control over everything. They don’t have to do it for ideological reasons. It’s just the nature of government.


21 posted on 04/29/2014 5:35:53 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: GrootheWanderer

We should open a bank called “Guns and Ho’ses”


22 posted on 04/29/2014 5:36:18 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: GrootheWanderer
"Exactly how does the government get the authority to force banks not to do business with those engaged in legal activities?"

Bank examiners, tax audits, federal "investigations" of any kind, I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture. And, it doesn't necessarily have to go after the institution itself. Simply by targeting a few of its key managers, "cooperation" is assured. Instantly. Noticed how many of them have been jumping off buildings and dangling from ropes lately? Blackmail. It's a bitch. And then you die.
23 posted on 04/29/2014 5:36:37 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: jsanders2001
RE :”I can see good coming out of this. Liberals HAVE to have their porn to feed their depravity.”

I don't see how porn makes $$$ anymore with the internet and built in vid cams on every phone and computer..

not to mention free porn sharing websites that distribute their *work* for free (ironically the government seems to support them in copyright law enforcement)

24 posted on 04/29/2014 5:37:06 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: .45 Long Colt

It’s long been the wet dream of statists (including some characterized as “conservative”) to do away with cash altogether, and force people to use debit cards for everything. Then they can see what everyone spends their money on, and destroy you by just shutting down your account.


25 posted on 04/29/2014 5:40:21 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: GrootheWanderer

Interesting. While I have no pity for the payday loan companies, the precept this displays is chilling.


26 posted on 04/29/2014 5:42:21 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Tupelo

Banks exist at the whim of the feds. They are req1uired to provide every detail of every transaction, every detail of every investor and customer, every account and every act in which they are involved. Failure to comply results in regulators shuttering the bank.
Banking is legalized stealing. The cash flow makes compliance with the devil an acceptable cost of doing business.


27 posted on 04/29/2014 5:48:39 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: GrootheWanderer
An interesting result is that it will be difficult for the IRS to determine the correct taxes for these businesses. If no funds go into a bank and the business only takes cash, well records can be hard to come bye.

Of course if it was my business I would just call it a Gay Bath House, provide a free membership to Obama and Rahm and explain to the bank that our members also like to make Poro Films.

28 posted on 04/29/2014 5:49:38 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: GrootheWanderer

It’s one thing to go after gun-related businesses, but ANOTHER THING ENTIRELY to go after adult businesses.

I have a feeling they’re going to soon regret that approach.


29 posted on 04/29/2014 5:49:44 AM PDT by BobL
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To: GrootheWanderer

“DOJ’s ‘Operation Choke Point’ May Be Root of Porn Star Bank Account Closings”

Could it be because the vast majority of pornography depicts heterosexual behavior?


30 posted on 04/29/2014 5:52:37 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

Look at the sleazy dems. With the kluntons you don’t need porn.


31 posted on 04/29/2014 5:53:05 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Hugin

This is counter productive towards reaching that goal.


32 posted on 04/29/2014 6:08:28 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: jim_trent

“How long until they apply this to guns owners, gun dealers, gun manufacturers, etc.”..

I thought that before I finished reading the article. I think this is a “trail run” by the DOJ to see how everything goes before the “main event”.


33 posted on 04/29/2014 6:10:55 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: GrootheWanderer

Tell me again that we live in a free nation?
Wake up people!


34 posted on 04/29/2014 6:12:47 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: jim_trent
Hi.

How long until they apply this to guns owners, gun dealers, gun manufacturers, etc.

Bingo. Only took two posts too.

5.56mm

35 posted on 04/29/2014 6:19:42 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: GrootheWanderer

Keep pushing fellas. CWII is just around the corner.

F U B O!


36 posted on 04/29/2014 6:30:29 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: sickoflibs
I don't see how porn makes $$$ anymore with the internet and built in vid cams on every phone and computer..

It's mystifying, isn't it?

Rolling Stone just did an article on Belle Knox, the now infamous Duke University porn star. The article mentioned she gets paid $1200 a shoot plus free airfare to the locations. Yet you can google her name and see all of her work without paying a dime. Who's making money on this stuff besides, apparently, Belle Knox?

37 posted on 04/29/2014 6:31:03 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: GrootheWanderer
Exactly how does the government get the authority to force banks not to do business with those engaged in legal activities?

The Feral Government has dispensed with 'authority to act', and simply acts.

38 posted on 04/29/2014 6:32:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: bigtoona
It's just NOT their porn..(Queer) Lenin AND (Queer) Stalin pole-dancing
to "a beat", Mao-tse (Drums) and Pol-Pot (Tambourine) in trashy cross-
dress clothing in high heels, no less.
Can't you hear "the Beat" from Washington?

39 posted on 04/29/2014 6:40:52 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? ;-)
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To: jim_trent

” How long until they apply this to guns owners, gun dealers, gun manufacturers, etc. “

I thought they were already effectively doing this....


40 posted on 04/29/2014 6:51:25 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GrootheWanderer

This is a case of hanging together or we will all hang seperately.


41 posted on 04/29/2014 7:18:33 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: GrootheWanderer

First they came for the porn stars, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a porn star.

Then they came for the drug dealers, and I did not speak out— Because I was not drug dealer.

Then they came for the gun stores, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a gun store owner.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


42 posted on 04/29/2014 7:34:22 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: jsanders2001

They are picking on porn stars because they are nasty people and they hope no one will speak up for such nasty people.


43 posted on 04/29/2014 7:35:29 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: GrootheWanderer
Maybe Eric Holder has a Hooker issue that needs to be taken care of.
44 posted on 04/29/2014 7:39:09 AM PDT by McGruff (Clinton had his Kosovo, Obama has his Ukraine.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

This is why people hate the GOP.

NOBODY is holding a gun to the head of people who are in the legitimate US porn industry. Porn is bigger than the US movie entertainment business, and just slightly smaller than the US video game entertainment industry.

It is massively regulated. People are well paid.

Whether it is MORAL or not ISN’T THE ISSUE. Your elected officials have appointed people who are coercing banks into closing the bank accounts of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

Who gives a toss what their political affiliation is? They are coming for you next, regardless of whether what you do is regarded as moral or not.

People who do porn are like people in any other industry. Want an eye opener? Hang out with people that work in DC in the ‘non-profit’ space. There are all kinds of little associations representing all kinds of interests and they are populated by some of the most deplorable human cockroaches that every submitted an expense report. Porn? Simple exchange of value for money, and if you don’t see it that way, don’t buy it.

Lobbyists and staffers? The important part of a vicious cycle of profiteering from the fear that you are going to have your rights taken from you if you don’t hire a lobbyist.

I smoke cigars. There is a group in DC who is well paid that my right to smoke a friggin’ cigar isn’t wrenched from me.

Compare that to porn and tell me which one is more immoral?


45 posted on 04/29/2014 7:50:17 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: Jewbacca

All socialist countries have a tendency to clamp down on all non-compliant behaviors.


46 posted on 04/29/2014 8:18:00 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: GrootheWanderer
"Awfully nice bank you have here. Too bad if letting gun/TEA party/porn people use it was to cause some unfortunate "act" to occur, know what I mean?"


47 posted on 04/29/2014 8:30:26 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: GrootheWanderer

Exactly how does the government get the authority to force banks not to do business with those engaged in legal activities?

The Government runs the banks.
Have 10,000 in an account? Go to the bank and write a withdrawal skip for cash. You will have a fun afternoon!


48 posted on 04/29/2014 9:10:55 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

So does anyone else find this to be the least bit fascist.


49 posted on 04/29/2014 11:00:44 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: MrEdd

True. But logical consistency has never been the hallmark of big government. You have lots of different people pushing different agendas.


50 posted on 04/29/2014 2:30:05 PM PDT by Hugin
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