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Council passes 'Ban the Box' legislation
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-04-28/news/bs-md-ci-council-20140428_1_marian-house-councilman-nick-j-northwest-baltimore ^

Posted on 04/29/2014 9:21:54 AM PDT by MNDude

Edited on 04/29/2014 9:37:57 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Controversial legislation intended to help ex-convicts find jobs is headed to Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake for her expected signature after the City Council gave the measure final approval Monday.

The "Ban the Box" bill will force Baltimore employers to wait to ask about a job candidate's criminal history until a conditional offer has been extended. The bill passed despite an intense lobbying effort from business leaders, who said they should have the right to vet prospective employees early in the process.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: baltimore; maryland; nannystate; news; rawlingsblake; sanctuarycity4rape

1 posted on 04/29/2014 9:21:54 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

Are they going to forbid a prospective employer from doing an internet search of the applicant’s name?


2 posted on 04/29/2014 9:26:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: MNDude
Not allowed to ask about the armed bank robbery convictions, before employing him as an armed security guard at a bank.

Yeah, that'll work.

3 posted on 04/29/2014 9:29:12 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: MNDude

I see a lawsuit in Baltimore’s future.


4 posted on 04/29/2014 9:29:56 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: MNDude

Special exemption for the hiring of clerical and other staff for the City Council coming soon!


5 posted on 04/29/2014 9:30:33 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: MNDude

Amnesty, the Obama administration planning to release prisoners and jobs already difficult to find for average citizens—I guess it’s intended to overwhelm the system.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 9:32:18 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: MNDude

Hire a felon and get your liability insurance policy cancelled.


7 posted on 04/29/2014 9:32:21 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: MNDude

Seems like it is only going to make businesses interview people they will never hire.

Interview.
Make job offer.
Criminal check.
Goodbye.

vs

Criminal check.
Goodbye.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 9:34:17 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Iron Munro

Seems it would be easy for any employer to defeat by only hiring from an employment agency outside the city.


9 posted on 04/29/2014 9:40:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: MNDude

This will require: (1) lifetime employment history, (2) conditional job offer only if an Internet search for criminal convictions comes up empty and there are no employment gaps of over 30 days, (3) ask about criminal history, and (4) rescind job offer not for being a felon but for lying on the application. No problem, except that those with extended unemployment lose too.


10 posted on 04/29/2014 9:41:00 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: MNDude
News flash to folks who seem to think that a criminal conviction should turn into an effective ban on ever finding gainful employment: Javert was not the hero of Les Misérables.

Our culture of using criminal background checks to exclude people from employment, not just in what used to be called "positions of trust", but in toto creates government dependence and guarantees recidivism. The notion that once one served one's sentence, one had "paid one's debt to society" was one of the boundary markers our ancestors put in place. Removing it is not conservative.

11 posted on 04/29/2014 9:42:19 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: MNDude

This brings up a very good question: How long should a person be punished for a crime?

Given the exception of security and trustworthiness of many occupational fields, there must be (given the law of averages) some ex-convicts that are truly trying to make an honest living in society after incarceration.

Should a person who has served their time (incarceration + parole, etc.) be punished for the rest of their natural life without the prospect of a rewarding career? Or should they be relegated to the stereo-typical jobs of Harley mechanic?


12 posted on 04/29/2014 9:43:08 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: ltc8k6

Interview.
Make job offer.
Criminal check.
Goodbye.”

Interview.
Make job offer.
Criminal check.
Goodbye.
Hire lawyers to handle lawsuit.
File bankruptcy.
Terminate all employees.
Close business.


13 posted on 04/29/2014 9:51:52 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: ltc8k6

well, then they should ban criminals checks as well.


14 posted on 04/29/2014 9:52:26 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude
Heck let's just skip ahead to what these totalitarians really want - the government assigning all workers to all jobs.
15 posted on 04/29/2014 10:00:25 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Navy Patriot

DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!..........................


16 posted on 04/29/2014 10:02:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> The “Ban the Box” bill will force Baltimore employers to wait to ask about a job candidate’s criminal history until a conditional offer has been extended.

I’m pretty sure, if I were an employer in Baltimore, that shortly after this goes into effect, that I’d have a criminal history, in fact, a multiple one. Thanks MNDude.


17 posted on 04/29/2014 10:04:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is this the newest ‘hire a criminal sociopath’ program the liberals (thugs) are pushing?

No one’s ‘smoother’ in an interview than a person without a conscience...


18 posted on 04/29/2014 10:06:24 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Donald Sterling is a typical white liberal elite democrat - New York Times won't share that truth.)
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To: Iron Munro

If they weren’t already, Baltimore employers will be contracting through temp services based outside city limits.


19 posted on 04/29/2014 10:06:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Navy Patriot; Iron Munro

Whoops, what you said.


20 posted on 04/29/2014 10:08:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: rjsimmon

“...relegated to the stereo-typical jobs of Harley mechanic?”

My Harley mechanic would be a little offended by that comment.


21 posted on 04/29/2014 10:08:40 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: The_Reader_David

News flash to you — you don’t know what you’re talking about. Requiring a job offer to be made before knowing is NOT CONSERVATIVE. And recidivism happens irrespective of employment status, not least because most ex-cons never had legal employment in the first place.


22 posted on 04/29/2014 10:10:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: beelzepug
My Harley mechanic would be a little offended by that comment.

Mine too... I was going for the Sons of Anarchy, Teller-Morrow angle.

23 posted on 04/29/2014 10:10:30 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

The point of this law is to deny to employers the option of finding out, and I’ll go out on a limb and say that this is all about how those poor ex-cons of color are being denied gainful employment by a bunch of rich racist business owners.


24 posted on 04/29/2014 10:12:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GOPJ

Hey, it worked for the DOJ and POTUS. /s Same method too — deny everyone access to the information needed for proper vetting.


25 posted on 04/29/2014 10:14:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: MNDude

Wouldn’t want to be racist...


26 posted on 04/29/2014 10:15:50 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: DTogo

Hey, at least the perp’s name and address would be known, quit complainin’. ;’)


27 posted on 04/29/2014 10:16:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: The_Reader_David

RE: “The notion that once one served one’s sentence, one had “paid one’s debt to society” was one of the boundary markers our ancestors put in place.”

That’s the thing - some times that debt paid was just a pittance.

So should a Level 3 sex offender, who ‘paid his dept’ be allowed to work anywhere?

Keep in mind:
* ‘Anywhere’ includes schools and day cares
* Level 3 is defined as “high risk of repeat offense and a threat to public safety exists”

Sorry, no business should be forced to hire someone who may put their staff, their ‘customers’ (or students) or assets at risk.


28 posted on 04/29/2014 10:16:48 AM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: SunkenCiv
The point of this law is to deny to employers the option of finding out, and I’ll go out on a limb and say that this is all about how those poor ex-cons of color are being denied gainful employment by a bunch of rich racist business owners.

I would surmise that you are 100% correct. I dislike the very notion of restricting any employer from checking a persons background, but I have often wondered about how punishment continues after the time served.

I would guess that even without a criminal background, many 'people of color' are not being hired simply because they do not respect the employer and are unable to bring anything of value in the way of skills and reliability to the employment table.

29 posted on 04/29/2014 10:21:41 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: The_Reader_David
There are fed laws (MCA of Clinton years) that make it a crime for certain businesses to hire people that have been charged with various drug & drug trafficking crimes.
30 posted on 04/29/2014 10:30:55 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: MNDude

I have two felon machinists in my shop. Stupid things from years ago. But they told me up front without having to ask.

It all comes down to the individual.


31 posted on 04/29/2014 10:44:19 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: rjsimmon

Yeah, I knew that. I was just givin’ ya the business. You and I both know that when you find a good bike mechanic was knows his stuff and is honest he is worth his weight in gold. Ride safe this summer.


32 posted on 04/29/2014 11:06:49 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: beelzepug

was=who


33 posted on 04/29/2014 11:08:58 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: beelzepug
Ride safe this summer

You as well. Cagers always want to kill us... Jealous bastards!

34 posted on 04/29/2014 11:11:55 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: MNDude
Simple solution. If you have the slightest doubt...don't make an offer. Provide an alternative...let prospective employees request the check and have it sent to the employer in a sealed envelope...just as you do with college transcripts. Candidates with good documentation and interviews get an offer.
35 posted on 04/29/2014 11:32:11 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Grams A

Read new rules.
Move business elsewhere.


36 posted on 04/29/2014 11:54:18 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Better idea. Thanks.


37 posted on 04/29/2014 12:06:01 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: rjsimmon
Should a person who has served their time (incarceration + parole, etc.) be punished for the rest of their natural life without the prospect of a rewarding career?

I had a situation where I really struggled with this very issue. I believe in second chances, believe once you've payed your debt that should settle it. Unfortunately, given the nature of the particular offense and the job for which the individual applied, the liability to our organization was just too great. I wished I could have given him a fresh start, but in all good conscience, I couldn't.

38 posted on 04/29/2014 12:34:48 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: MNDude; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Gotta make sure the Black Guerilla Family has a shot at job offers when they get out of jail.

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39 posted on 04/29/2014 7:46:33 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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The only thing missing is, “It’s for the chilrun.”

Nanny State PING!


40 posted on 04/29/2014 7:47:24 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 04/29/2014 7:49:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Just go to this url:

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42 posted on 04/30/2014 5:17:12 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that?


43 posted on 04/30/2014 6:36:36 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I’ll go out on a limb and say that this is all about how those poor ex-cons of color are being denied gainful employment by a bunch of rich racist business owners.

Oh, my -- whatever could have given you that idea?

44 posted on 04/30/2014 7:32:22 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: rjsimmon; The_Reader_David
I have often wondered about how punishment continues after the time served.

Punishment should end when the sentence is completed. Consequences, however, may continue for quite awhile. The two should not be confused.

45 posted on 04/30/2014 7:36:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: PissAndVinegar; The_Reader_David
Keep in mind: * ‘Anywhere’ includes schools and day cares

Archdiocesan leader pleased with child protection measures in ‘ban the box’ bill
The Archdiocese of Baltimore supported the aims of the bill as a matter of social justice, but pushed for some exemptions for employers hiring staff who would have contact with children or vulnerable adults. D’Alessandro testified before the council in February. The bill was amended to reflect the archdiocese’s concern.

46 posted on 04/30/2014 7:46:00 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde

;’)


47 posted on 04/30/2014 7:49:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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