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Russia says US astronauts could be hurt by Ukraine sanctions
Yahoo News ^ | 4-29-2014 | Anna Smolchenko, with Michel Moutot

Posted on 04/29/2014 9:29:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Russia warned Tuesday that American astronauts on the International Space Station could be hurt by new US-led sanctions over the escalating crisis in Ukraine, where pro-Moscow militants seized more public buildings in the east.

Washington was resorting to "Iron Curtain" policies from its Cold War-era playbook with the new Western sanctions, which were driving the Ukraine crisis towards "a dead end", Moscow raged.

A day after the United States and its EU and Japanese allies unveiled fresh punitive measures for what was seen as Russian interference in Ukraine, violence worsened on the ground.

Thousands of pro-Moscow protesters in the city of Lugansk near the Russian border seized control of the regional administrative building, trapping around 200 riot police in the complex's courtyard. Militants in the city already held the local SBU security services building.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: astronauts; civilwar; russia; ukraine
"Moscow reacted with fury to the inclusion in the sanctions of high-tech exports to Russia and threatened reprisals.

"If their aim is to deliver a blow to Russia's rocket-building sector, then by default, they would be exposing their astronauts on the ISS," Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said, according to the Interfax news agency.

"Sanctions are always a boomerang which come back and painfully hit those who launched them," added Rogozin

1 posted on 04/29/2014 9:29:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Probably exactly what Obama was hoping for.


2 posted on 04/29/2014 9:31:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: tcrlaf

...as in physically?


3 posted on 04/29/2014 9:32:21 AM PDT by ne1410s (2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Probably exactly what Obama was hoping for.”

It would allow NASA to concentrate on it’s Muslim outreach efforts, and Global Warming propaganda... errr... I mean “research”...


4 posted on 04/29/2014 9:33:06 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Russia is desperate for hard foreign currency.

They won’t do anything to jeapordize the money they get from NASA. This is an empty threat.


5 posted on 04/29/2014 9:33:42 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Maybe China would pay for a ride?


6 posted on 04/29/2014 9:35:46 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: tcrlaf

If an alien just arrived on this planet, the alien would understand quickly that space is not the final frontier for zer0, but instead welfare and redistribution is, along with making moslems more vicious by supplying moslems with weapons of mass destruction. The alien would probably make a call to the ship and place all systems on stand-by for leaving quickly this planet.


7 posted on 04/29/2014 9:36:54 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: canuck_conservative

“Russia is desperate for hard foreign currency.”

A decade ago I’d have agreed with you, but not now.
Europe still needs that gas, and the China-Siberia pipeline system is about to open.

If there was ever a time Russia DID NOT need US Dollars, its here.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 9:38:07 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Irenic

The Chinese have their own manned space crafts which take them to their own Space Station.


9 posted on 04/29/2014 9:38:56 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: canuck_conservative

Russian history is a how-to guide on cutting off the nose to spite the face.


10 posted on 04/29/2014 9:39:20 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: massgopguy

I would imagine that China wouldn’t mind spending a little to make up the difference and help keep us out of space. I don’t doubt much nowadays.


11 posted on 04/29/2014 9:41:55 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: canuck_conservative

We REALLY need to get back to the business of building and launching OUR OWN rockets with OUR OWN people from OUR OWN launch pads and quit relying on the Russians. This should have been forseen. It’s no way to do business. I wonder if Rick Mastracchio and Steven Swanson have had private conversations about this matter. They need a ride home. Sure is a he!! of a way to run an operation.


12 posted on 04/29/2014 9:42:07 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (I am proud of what America USED TO BE.)
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To: tcrlaf

Ah yes, the NASA card, if your Vlad, you never leave home without it.


13 posted on 04/29/2014 9:44:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: canuck_conservative

Hard money? Is that what the phoney inflated American dollar is called?It may have been hard at one time but it isn’t worth a damn now.


14 posted on 04/29/2014 9:46:25 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: tcrlaf
The ISS, with its LEO-forever mission, is too boring to fight over.

Screw down some seats in the Space X Dragon (and the USAF X-37B) and declare the USA back in the manned space flight business.

Then, using those manned assets, cut the ISS in half and convert our half into something interesting like a lunar orbiting station, Mars voyager, or whatever.

15 posted on 04/29/2014 9:53:04 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: massgopguy

Concerning manned space flight, the Chinese are basically capable of what we were doing in 1965. Unfortunately, we have regressed back to 1955.


16 posted on 04/29/2014 9:54:16 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: tcrlaf
Well, so much for thinly veiled threats.
17 posted on 04/29/2014 10:00:23 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: skimbell

“Well, so much for thinly veiled threats.”

Russia still holds the trump card in all of this, the gas valves.


18 posted on 04/29/2014 10:03:02 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

It’s a more or less useless card. If they use it (maybe even if they only threaten to use it), they might get what they want in the short term but there’ll be a rush by the countries affected to never be put in the same position again. Some countries having to pay more for a subset of the energy they use may not be as expensive for them as it is for Putin to lose a large percentage of his revenues.


19 posted on 04/29/2014 10:15:01 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: tcrlaf
Russia still holds the trump card in all of this, the gas valves.

And the reliable heavy lifting booster engines.

20 posted on 04/29/2014 10:16:29 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: tcrlaf

a threat is a threat...and I would have to call the ruksies on this one!


21 posted on 04/29/2014 10:17:26 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Natufian

China would be happy to buy the gas, and the pipeline there will be complete by summer.


22 posted on 04/29/2014 10:18:29 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: tcrlaf

Nice space station y’a got there... wouldn’t want somethin’ bad to happen to it.


23 posted on 04/29/2014 10:25:48 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: massgopguy
The Chinese will have their own manned space crafts which take them to their own Space Station in 2022.

http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/38131china-unveils-space-station-research-plans

24 posted on 04/29/2014 10:26:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Navy Patriot

“China would be happy to buy the gas, and the pipeline there will be complete by summer.”

Also, as Germany has learned, it will take almost a decade to get themselves off of Russian gas, even if the Enviros would let them.

They have been trying to build more storage for two years now, and have yet to start due to enviro-nut lawsuits.


25 posted on 04/29/2014 10:26:51 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Navy Patriot

I doubt it. There is an oil pipeline from Siberia to China but the ‘Power of Siberia’ pipe for gas isn’t due to be completed for 4 or 5 years. On top of that, the gas that will be transported via the pipeline come from separate fields from those used to supply Europe.

And, just to be clear, the reason for the delay in the construction of the pipeline is that China flatly refuses to pay what the Europeans pay for their gas. I hardly see them picking up any slack if Europe starts cutting back on Russian gas.


26 posted on 04/29/2014 10:29:28 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: tcrlaf

Can’t we all just get along?


27 posted on 04/29/2014 10:31:02 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: tcrlaf

They are not trying very hard, as they are still selling Natural Gas assets to the Russians.

Berlin will not block deals with Russia by DEA and Wintershall
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-berlin-will-not-block-deals-with-russia-by-dea-and-wintershall-1974661

The German government will not object to the sale of utility RWE’s oil and gas production arm DEA to investors led by Russian tycoon Mikhail Fridman, a deputy minister said on Wednesday after some politicians had questioned the deal.

Critics of the sale argue against increasing German dependence on Russian energy supply and decision-making at a time when relations are deteriorating because of Moscow’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region.

“The security of (energy) supply is not threatened by the planned sale,” said Iris Gleicke, parliamentary state secretary at the Economy Ministry, adding that European Union measures also did not present an obstacle.

“The EU sanctions that have been decided so far against the background of the Ukraine crisis do not conflict with the possible sale,” she said in the lower house of the parliament, or Bundestag, on Wednesday.


28 posted on 04/29/2014 10:31:32 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Cheap energy is THE primary economic driver in the modern era.

And America has spent the best part of thirty years driving that cost UP for our own economy.


29 posted on 04/29/2014 10:35:43 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Too many forget the US developed cheap energy because we allowed the individuals that went out, invested capital and took risks the rewards. The government was kept mostly out of it.


30 posted on 04/29/2014 10:44:19 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Natufian
April 23, 2014 Ukraine crisis seen speeding Gazprom deal with China

Open central Asian oil and gas pipelines to China, longest in the world:

Already connected to Russia at the western terminus.

31 posted on 04/29/2014 10:48:19 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: cripplecreek
"Probably exactly what Obama was hoping for."

Yep. Obama gets to further damage the US while blaming the Russians.

32 posted on 04/29/2014 10:50:41 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: tcrlaf

Part of the plot in the movie, 2010, the follow up to 2001, A Space Odyssey. Russian, US tensions impacting the in space personnel.


33 posted on 04/29/2014 10:56:37 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Navy Patriot

From the article you linked to:

“Under the new deal with China, Gazprom would supply 38 billion cubic metres of gas a year, around a quarter of China’s current annual demand, from 2018 via a pipeline from Eastern Siberia that has yet to be built.”


34 posted on 04/29/2014 11:03:01 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

The point is that the entire process will be accelerated, existing lines will be more completely used, and China will pay enough that Russia will not be badly hurt in the near future, and come out way ahead in four years, while the US and Western Europe energy superiority decline in the same period.


35 posted on 04/29/2014 11:17:13 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
existing lines will be more completely used,

The point is, there are no existing natural gas pipelines between China and Russia.

36 posted on 04/29/2014 11:44:57 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: tcrlaf

37 posted on 04/29/2014 11:48:29 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: thackney

China already has a small space station called Tiangong 1, but most people don’t know about it. I’ve seen it several nights flying from NW to SE. People often report it as a UFO because they don’t realize China has a space station.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong_program


38 posted on 04/29/2014 11:56:17 AM PDT by RaveOn ("No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie." Lamar Keene)
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To: puppypusher
It may have been hard at one time but it isn’t worth a damn now.

OK, send all your worthless dollars to me, I'll take them off your hands.


39 posted on 04/29/2014 12:05:08 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: RaveOn

More of a past rest stop than a comparable facility to the space station. In 2012, they sent people up to after its launch and stayed for 2 weeks. Then a year later they sent another one up for another two weeks. That was it. They don’t leave people up there. The are not planning to take people to it again.


40 posted on 04/29/2014 12:24:17 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: tcrlaf

“No spacecraft are currently available to facilitate the Americans return to Earth. We ask that you please bear with us.”


41 posted on 04/29/2014 12:26:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Natufian
>>>>>>I doubt it. There is an oil pipeline from Siberia to China but the ‘Power of Siberia’ pipe for gas isn’t due to be completed for 4 or 5 years. On top of that, the gas that will be transported via the pipeline come from separate fields from those used to supply Europe.<<<<<<<

That is what the war in Afghanistan was all about - to prevent gas pipeline reaching China through Afghanistan. (for those who overslept highschool geography lesson - China borders with Afghanistan)

And providing steady World supply of poppy as the perk of the job.

42 posted on 04/29/2014 12:43:07 PM PDT by DTA
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To: tcrlaf

The first time the kenyan started flapping his mouth I predicted the US hostages on the ISS would be put in play.

The kenyan is not only a hater of all things American, he also hates all Americans.

Except for:

Negros
Mullatos
Lesbians
Homosexuals
Wall Street and Hollywood donors
People who won’t work
People who won’t think—and cannot think as they are already brainwashed
anyone who self-identifies as liberal (see above, and above)
People who hate our constitution
illegal immigrants (does illegal spark any interest?)

Oops, the above list pretty much covers over 50% of the population. This sucks.

Welcome to the gulag...


43 posted on 04/29/2014 12:48:43 PM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: tcrlaf

“Moscow raged” and threatened to take American astronauts as hostages. “Thousands of” Russian thugs “in the city of Lugansk near the Russian border seized control of the regional administrative building,” probably using old women as human shields again. That’s a brilliant strategy. Keep it up.


44 posted on 04/29/2014 1:53:22 PM PDT by familyop
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To: massgopguy
"The Chinese have their own manned space crafts which take them to their own Space Station."

That's because they didn't try to use a Cadillac Shuttle, political correctness program to bus rich liberal men and civilian women back and forth from space. And they don't care about global warming caused by evil, western "males." The default process and defense buildup after nuke exchanges will take care of the problem.


45 posted on 04/29/2014 1:57:26 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Navy Patriot
No, the point is that what you were saying earlier is totally incorrect. The Chinese were never going to pick up the slack in a couple of months time. Even if they start paying for the new gas in 4 years time at a rate that the Europeans are paying today (something that is highly doubtful), they'll not make up the difference.

No serious government (and the last 12 years shows us that Putin leads a serious government), especially an oligarchic version, risks losing 50% of it's revenue or even a substantial chunk of it's potential revenue, unless it is for something of such transcendental importance that the other options are much, much worse.

46 posted on 04/29/2014 3:35:52 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: the anti-mahdi

“The kenyan is not only a hater of all things American, he also hates all Americans.”

It’s learned hatred. I’ve seen it before. He hates everyone the militant black nationalists taught him to hate.


47 posted on 04/29/2014 3:37:37 PM PDT by RaveOn ("No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie." Lamar Keene)
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To: no-to-illegals

Personally I accept the idea that the reason we have not been contacted is that the rest of the universe cordoned us off as a HAZMAT planet. Who would blame them?


48 posted on 04/30/2014 7:03:29 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: tcrlaf

I have long said that Energy should be placed as a natsec issue and thus off limits to greens.


49 posted on 04/30/2014 7:07:15 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Norm, I have to agree. With the Greys, the Reptiles, the Borg and countless others involved we can only await their decisions. Too many of ‘em.


50 posted on 05/01/2014 5:02:52 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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