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About Rand Paulís Susan Collins Endorsement
Bangor Daily News ^ | April 27, 2014

Posted on 04/29/2014 1:25:30 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

Among the liberty movement the Rand Paul debate rages on. Is he a political player or an opportunist sellout?

Senator Rand Paul stunned many libertarians in 2012 when he endorsed Mitt Romney for President. This was the same Romney who deployed campaign lawyers to the Republican National Convention and rigged the future nomination process.

Now Senator Paul has “wholeheartedly” endorsed Senator Susan Collins for re-election, telling the Portland Press Herald she is “doing a great job for Maine and for the country.” Enter another war between Senator Paul apologists and principle-driven libertarians.

It’s unsurprising to some degree. A year ago State Senate candidate Eric Brakey told the Maine Republican State Committee that he wanted to see Senator Collins re-elected. Brakey was the State Director of the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign and will likely be involved in Senator Paul’s 2016 presidential campaign in some capacity.

This represents the strategy of integrating into the Republican Party in an attempt to hijack it. But is this strategy successful?

Mitt Romney stole the nomination and ironically put a stop on Senator Paul’s chances at the nomination in 2016. Senator Paul made an endorsement to a losing candidate who effectively worked against all future grassroots candidates. This was an issue covered in depth in a previous Undercover Porcupine article, “The Importance Of The Republican Nomination Rules Changes.”

Senator Collins has a proven record quite contrary to liberty. Here are some highlights:

*Voted for sending $17.9 billion to IMF in May 1998.
*Voted for authorizing military force against Iraq in October 2002.
*Voted for extending the PATRIOT Act’s wiretap provision in December 2005.
*Voted for reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act in March 2006.
*Voted for $60 billion stimulus package in September 2008.
*Voted for $825 billion economic recovery package in February 2009.
*Voted for $192 billion in anti-recession stimulus spending in July 2009.
*Voted for $2 billion more in Cash for Clunkers program in August 2009.
*Voted for confirmation of Sonia Sotomayer to the Supreme Court in August 2009.
*Voted for extending the PATRIOT Act’s roving wiretaps in February 2011.

(SOURCE: OnTheIssues.org)

Endorsing this is advancing the principles of liberty?

If the answer is “yes”, then what exactly is it Republican libertarians are fighting for?

Party control seems to be the goal of Rand Paul apologists. But what’s the goal from there? They wasted years better spent advancing principles attempting to take over a minority party in America. In this time, the minority party is still advancing bad policies just like their opponents. The only difference is these libertarians are enabling the bad policies by lending them their numbers, support, and votes.

But again, the defense is endorsements are meaningless. Is this truly so? If it is, then all Rand Paul supporters should be joining their hero in endorsing Senator Collins, because such an endorsement would be meaningless.

This won’t happen.

Senator Paul’s supporters will instead react harshly to the idea of endorsing Senator Collins. But why won’t these people do it? Endorsements are meaningless, right?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: libtardian; lino; maine; rand; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; susancollins
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1 posted on 04/29/2014 1:25:30 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Is it an endorsement of a RINO over a Democrat? or an endorsement of a RINO over a conservative candidate? Big difference.


2 posted on 04/29/2014 1:32:41 PM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Pau’s endorsement here is a big sloppy butt kiss to the RINO establishment. He’s hoping they won’t kick him to the curb as he runs for prez.

But guess what. They will

And so will us conservatives who are more than fed up with this libertarian loser.


3 posted on 04/29/2014 1:33:05 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

The shark. Jump it, you have.

4 posted on 04/29/2014 1:34:30 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: SoConPubbie
RE :”Among the liberty movement the Rand Paul debate rages on. Is he a political player or an opportunist sellout”

You must know what Rand is up to as you were on this thread

”Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), however, enjoys much higher numbers than either Bush or Christie.
Sixty-three percent of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Paul, while only 15 percent rate him unfavorably. Sixty-one percent of conservatives polled rated Paul favorably”
2016 poll: Jeb Bush withers, Rand Paul soars Tea Party ^ | 04-24-2014 | Breitbart

5 posted on 04/29/2014 1:34:30 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs

He’s an opportunistic sellout, from both the Libertarian and conservative perspective.

He started out pretending he was conservative, now he is reverting true to form to being a Libertarian.

Watch those unreliable poll numbers start to drop now that he has come out of the closet on so many non-conservative policy positions.

He’s a waffle, a Mitt Romney Libertarian.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 1:39:04 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Oh. More RINO butt kissing by Paul...

 

Rand Paul Crafting New Alliances With Romney’s 2012 Team

Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:26:17 PM · by SoConPubbie · 34 replies
CBS ^ | April 28, 2014 9:29 AM

 

7 posted on 04/29/2014 1:39:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Most politicians are corrupt, worthless and incompetent. Party affiliation makes little difference. Why do you think we are in our current mess?


8 posted on 04/29/2014 1:45:07 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: SoConPubbie
RE :”He’s an opportunistic sellout, from both the Libertarian and conservative perspective.”

So far its seems to be working fine for him.

RE :”Watch those unreliable poll numbers start to drop now that he has come out of the closet on so many non-conservative policy positions.”

We will see, so far these posts here haven't had any obvious effect on polls and I don't see anyone outside of here going after him, you know, publicly like on TV or the media where Republicans will see it..

9 posted on 04/29/2014 1:47:36 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs
We will see, so far these posts here haven't had any obvious effect on polls and I don't see anyone outside of here going after him, you know, publicly like on TV or the media where Republicans will see it..

Silly boy, did you think my posts and others posts about Rand Paul were about forcing his poll numbers down?

It's about being aware and truthful and knowledgeable about our potential candidates, period.
10 posted on 04/29/2014 1:50:32 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

He’s not ready for prime time. He tries to be all things to all people. He’s going to be destroyed by the Bushies and neocons and make it tougher for the other liberty minded politicians out there.


11 posted on 04/29/2014 1:51:02 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: tips up

True.

If they vote the same way anyhow, the turncoat damages the your party orders of magnitude more lastingly.

The turncoat will lower the moral of your base and cripple your party’s ability to draw like minded members. All whilst climbing into a leadership position.

You have to be pretty stupid not to understand this. The founders wrote about it a lot, so you have to be historically illiterate as well.


12 posted on 04/29/2014 2:00:24 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Which politicians is Rand Paul making life difficult?


13 posted on 04/29/2014 2:01:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Responsibility2nd

(I) do not expect the things Rand Paul does to make sense; nor do I expect CONSISTENCY or COMMON SENSE in his positions and actions. I concluded long ago that like his father, he’s shifty, devious and often untruthful. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM!


14 posted on 04/29/2014 2:23:38 PM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: ansel12
Which politicians is Rand Paul making life difficult?

Right now? No one. But when the knives really come out for him (I mean people more serious than Jennifer Rubin) it will be ugly. Then guys like Massie and Amash will be tarred with whatever filth they smear Rand Paul with.

15 posted on 04/29/2014 2:27:53 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: SoConPubbie
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3150070/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3150072/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3150078/posts
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"Who is..."

16 posted on 04/29/2014 2:32:19 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Who are Massie and Amash?

Would you elaborate so that we can know what you are talking about?


17 posted on 04/29/2014 2:36:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Does that insult also apply to Jim Robinson?

To: SoConPubbie
FURP!!
4 posted on 4/29/2014 12:32:00 PM by Jim Robinson

You can attack Jim Robinson and SoConPubbie over here. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3150072/posts?page=4#4


18 posted on 04/29/2014 2:37:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SoConPubbie
It's Maine, folks. Unless trees get the vote up there, they will never elect any Republican who conservatives in the rest of the country would think of as conservative.

Right now Collins doesn't have an opponent, and nobody who has a chance of winning the general election is on the horizon as a potential opponent.

FWIW: Ron Paul did very well in the 2012 Maine Republican caucus, winning most of the delegates and coming within a hair of winning the popular vote. Republican caucuses, though, aren't a reflection of where the state as a whole is politically.

19 posted on 04/29/2014 2:52:58 PM PDT by x
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand just had his Arlen Specter moment.

Nice knowing ya, Rand.


20 posted on 04/29/2014 2:53:22 PM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: x

Paul did not have to get involved with Susan Collins, this is just more of his establishing what his politics are.


21 posted on 04/29/2014 3:15:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SoConPubbie

Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, Sue Collins,.....that’s just too many endorsements to ignore.


22 posted on 04/29/2014 3:17:28 PM PDT by grania
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To: sickoflibs

Maybe Rand’s poll numbers are up because he is trying to restore our personal freedoms. He’s one of the few attempting to reign in the runaway police state of the NSA, TSA and NDAA.

Gay marriage and abortion are not the only two issues on the table.


23 posted on 04/29/2014 3:19:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: x
It's Maine, folks. Unless trees get the vote up there, they will never elect any Republican who conservatives in the rest of the country would think of as conservative.

Right now Collins doesn't have an opponent, and nobody who has a chance of winning the general election is on the horizon as a potential opponent.

A more proforma> endorsement might have sufficed. Something like, "I'm a Republican and I want to have a Republican Senate. So I'm for Senator Collins."

24 posted on 04/29/2014 3:39:07 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: ansel12
Who are Massie and Amash?

Two House members with similar libertarian/conservative views who don't have Presidential delusions.

25 posted on 04/29/2014 3:59:10 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: x
It's Maine, folks. Unless trees get the vote up there, they will never elect any Republican who conservatives in the rest of the country would think of as conservative.

Right now Collins doesn't have an opponent, and nobody who has a chance of winning the general election is on the horizon as a potential opponent.

A more pro forma endorsement might have sufficed. Something like, "I'm a Republican and I want to have a Republican Senate. So I'm for Senator Collins."

26 posted on 04/29/2014 4:01:36 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SoConPubbie
This was the same Romney who deployed campaign lawyers to the Republican National Convention and rigged the future nomination process.

What exactly is this writer talking about?

27 posted on 04/29/2014 4:04:31 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Is he a political player or an opportunist sellout?

There's a difference?

28 posted on 04/29/2014 4:06:05 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: TBP
A more proforma> endorsement might have sufficed. Something like, "I'm a Republican and I want to have a Republican Senate. So I'm for Senator Collins."

Certainly. If reporters asked Rand Paul in Washington, he might have said just that.

But he went to Maine for the state party convention. You don't take a trip like that to be half-hearted about the state's woman in Washington, who is in a sense your host.

It's a sign he's seriously running for president, and, like kissing babies, making nice with the party's elected officials -- not letting them down on their own turf -- is part of running for president.

I'm wondering if in party politics, "wholeheartedly endorsing" somebody isn't actually a "pro forma" -- that is half-hearted and insincere -- endorsement. It's is, after all, only words, and politicians are profligate in throwing words around.

29 posted on 04/29/2014 4:08:19 PM PDT by x
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I can see why you are vague, they seem a little vague too on things like gay marriage.


30 posted on 04/29/2014 4:23:08 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: tips up

It’s against an ACLU liberal democrat. She has no primary opponent. She’s going to win by 40% here in the fall.


31 posted on 04/29/2014 4:26:32 PM PDT by pithyinme (Oh great 3 more years of crap to wade through....)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Gay marriage and abortion are not the only two issues on the table.

Anyone soft on those, is no conservative.

32 posted on 04/29/2014 4:27:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: mulligan
"Most politicians are corrupt, worthless and incompetent. Party affiliation makes little difference. Why do you think we are in our current mess?"

That's because most of them are stinking lawyers... NEVER send a lawyer to Washington.... It's an absolute conflict of interest..!

They'll rob you for the fun of it...

I think it was P. T. Barnum that said "never let a fool keep his money"...anyway, that's how most all lawyers operate... Never trust them to act in your behalf...they will ALWAYS check their pockets first...

33 posted on 04/29/2014 4:43:05 PM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: MrEdd

That’s the problem. Principle vs practicality. Try to win control of the senate even with some RINOS or stand on principle and give Dingy Harry two more years at the helm.


34 posted on 04/29/2014 4:54:08 PM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: SoConPubbie
RE :”Silly boy, did you think my posts and others posts about Rand Paul were about forcing his poll numbers down”

Of course!!! LOLO

35 posted on 04/29/2014 4:56:27 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Georgia Girl 2
RE :”Maybe Rand’s poll numbers are up because he is trying to restore our personal freedoms.”

Well its getting the natives restless.

36 posted on 04/29/2014 4:57:32 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: tips up

Myopic reasoning which utterly fails to take in all the factors.
Your brand of capitulation (and that is all your reasoning is youfail to comprehend its not mere pragmatism) is how the Romney and McCain wing became dominant.

No more. Your brand of thinking had its chance and failed spectacularly.

It is time for the adults to stand up.


37 posted on 04/29/2014 5:49:22 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Does Susan Collins have a primary opponent??


38 posted on 04/29/2014 6:35:17 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: sickoflibs

Oh yeh! :-)


39 posted on 04/29/2014 6:46:50 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ansel12
I can see why you are vague, they seem a little vague too on things like gay marriage.

Oh. I should've read your tagline. And not taken you seriously. My apologies.

40 posted on 04/29/2014 7:52:35 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Perhaps you should look into the politics of those you support, like on gay marriage.


41 posted on 04/29/2014 7:53:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: MrEdd

I didn’t want Romney in the primaries, but we ended up with him. Many stayed home in the general election so we got a second term of Obama. Romney had his faults, but would have been much better than what we have now.


42 posted on 04/30/2014 7:02:11 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: tips up

He would have been much worse.
Carbon copy policies with the fallout of Romneycare crippling the Republicans instead of the Fallout of Obamacare crippling the Democrats.

A vote for Romney was still a vote for the affordable care act.
And for homosexual marriage.
And for abortion.
And for homosexuals in the boy scouts.
All of those were his causes as Governor of Massachusetts.


43 posted on 04/30/2014 7:15:20 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

Sadly you are correct. Any good Romney did would be overshadowed by a constant media drum beat blaming all the mess Obama created on Romney.


44 posted on 04/30/2014 7:47:05 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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