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Oklahoma Postpones Execution After First Is Botched
New York Times ^ | April 29, 2014 | By ERIK ECKHOLM

Posted on 04/29/2014 6:30:41 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

McALESTER, Okla. — What was supposed to be the first of two executions here Tuesday night was halted when the prisoner, Clayton D. Lockett, began to twitch and gasp after he had already been declared unconscious and called out “man” and “something’s wrong,” according to witnesses.

The administering doctor intervened and discovered that “the line had blown,” said the director of corrections, Robert Patton, meaning that drugs were no longer flowing into his vein.

At 7:06 p.m., Mr. Patton said, Mr. Lockett died of a heart attack.

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1 posted on 04/29/2014 6:30:41 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

sounds like it went just fine to me.


2 posted on 04/29/2014 6:32:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So he died of natural causes.


3 posted on 04/29/2014 6:33:05 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I simply don't get this.

I don't doubt that some of these people on Death Row are there as a result of crimes of passion, but most of them I would think are there because of the heinous nature of their crime.

Why can't a gallows, rope and hood serve the purpose?

I just don't get the thought process.

4 posted on 04/29/2014 6:33:21 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

A lot of Bow Hunters carry a .22, just in case they do not get a clean kill...just sayin...


5 posted on 04/29/2014 6:36:05 PM PDT by D Rider (Don't give sharp objects to small children)
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To: rlmorel
I always thought that the LETHAL INJECTION was the surest way to kill. Well, the GUILLOTINE was the SUREST way but those Frenchies overdid it an we don't have the guillotine any more.

Maybe we should bring it back. What say you?

6 posted on 04/29/2014 6:36:32 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Mr. Lockett was convicted of shooting a 19-year-old woman in 1999 and having her buried alive.

Karma. It's a bummer.

7 posted on 04/29/2014 6:36:36 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: rlmorel

and make it public.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 6:36:39 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Secret Agent Man

“sounds like it went just fine to me.”
**********
Me too, piss on the SOB!


9 posted on 04/29/2014 6:36:48 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Put him in a cage to eaten by pigs on TV.


10 posted on 04/29/2014 6:38:36 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Did they administer an ice pick? This guy raped and murdered a CHILD!


11 posted on 04/29/2014 6:38:45 PM PDT by montag813
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To: rlmorel

Cheaper and generally works. Yet not as nice as going to sleep. Don’t know why we should afford human thugs the same courtesy as a beloved good animal.


12 posted on 04/29/2014 6:38:49 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: cloudmountain

I hate to admit it, but North Korea has had some recent success with flamethrowers.


13 posted on 04/29/2014 6:39:37 PM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This schmuck buried his victim ALIVE so either way he went he got off much easier than his victim


14 posted on 04/29/2014 6:39:41 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sounds like G-d wanted him dead and in Hell one way or other.


15 posted on 04/29/2014 6:39:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The object is to kill the criminal.
He’s dead, so the execution was successful.
Why do we mollycoddle these rejects from society?
Just kill the societal reject and be done with it.


16 posted on 04/29/2014 6:43:08 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why not knock off all this folderol and go back to a good old-fashioned hanging? It’s quick, efficient, and you can use the rope over again.


17 posted on 04/29/2014 6:44:23 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is a ghoulish thread.

I cannot imagine anything more grotesque.

18 posted on 04/29/2014 6:44:39 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

And this, of course, from The Slimes...where everyone who has been proven guilty is “innocent” in their minds. They jut want these maniacs back on the streets killing more “carbon emitting” people. Sick, sick, sick.


19 posted on 04/29/2014 6:45:01 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: montag813

The scum that raped and murdered the child is the one whose execution was postponed for two weeks.


20 posted on 04/29/2014 6:45:16 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: BuffaloJack

Because the left want them to kill more.


21 posted on 04/29/2014 6:46:37 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Gamecock
I hate to admit it, but North Korea has had some recent success with flamethrowers.

Isn't that a pretty old weapon? Or are THEIR flamethrowers something special...or are you quizzing me? :o)

22 posted on 04/29/2014 6:46:41 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The crimes were ghastly.

The death penalty turned ghastly is unacceptable in a civilized society.

The death inducing drugs have become highly and obviously suspect for some time.

Fix the damn things or cut it out until you can deliver the goods with a measure of mercy. We are not the dog pound. Animals receive better than humans. Salivating for human or animal suffering is degrading to all mankind.


23 posted on 04/29/2014 6:48:02 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I hope it was painful for him. The crime he and the other are charged with are beyond the pale.


24 posted on 04/29/2014 6:49:14 PM PDT by funfan
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To: beelzepug
Why not knock off all this folderol and go back to a good old-fashioned hanging? It’s quick, efficient, and you can use the rope over again.

Nah, the GUILLOTINE: heads roll and there is NO coming back from that. It's quick, surefire, reusable and easy to clean.

It fits into a bowling bag too, in case...never mind.

25 posted on 04/29/2014 6:49:49 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hanging works first time, every time, and rope is cheap.


26 posted on 04/29/2014 6:50:36 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: montag813

11 months old. How sick is that It makes me ill and they are worried that the drug may be cruel what the heck is wrong with people.


27 posted on 04/29/2014 6:53:09 PM PDT by funfan
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To: beelzepug

It would be a green job if the rope is re-usable.


28 posted on 04/29/2014 6:54:02 PM PDT by funfan
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To: billorites

I can. A young woman raped, shot in the head and buried alive or an 11 month old girl raped and murdered. Those are ghoulish. Comparatively a heart attack is humane.


29 posted on 04/29/2014 6:59:48 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: cloudmountain

Probably old. But they make a statement!


30 posted on 04/29/2014 7:00:48 PM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

he died, I’d call that a success.

Hal: [after Del’s execution] WHAT IN THE BLUE F*** WAS THAT? There’s puke all over the floor up there. And that smell! I had Van Hayes open both doors but that smell’s not going out for five damn years that’s what I’m bettin’. And that a**hole, Wharton, is singing about it. You can hear him up there!

Paul Edgecomb: Can he carry a tune?

Hal: [wry chuckle] Okay, boys, what in the hell happened?

Paul Edgecomb: An execution. A successful one.

Hal: How in the name of Christ can you call that a success?

Paul Edgecomb: Eduard Delacroix is dead.


31 posted on 04/29/2014 7:01:29 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: funfan
Yes, a peripheral business made possible by the marijuana growers.
32 posted on 04/29/2014 7:01:58 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: billorites

Well except the crime he commited


33 posted on 04/29/2014 7:02:00 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: rlmorel
"Why can't a gallows, rope and hood serve the purpose?"

Incompetence, gutless cowards, and traitors in our judicial system has brought about the current debauchery of justice.

34 posted on 04/29/2014 7:02:11 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: billorites

“This is a ghoulish thread.
I cannot imagine anything more grotesque.”

Hey,,I got something, how about what Stephanie Neiman experienced? Beaten, hands taped, driven to a field, raped, watching as a hole (her grave) was dug. Shot but survived,, shotgun jammed. She lays moaning in that hole as this guy takes his time and clears the shotgun. He goes back over and shoots her again, finishing her off.
That’s kinda more grotesque if you really think about it.


35 posted on 04/29/2014 7:04:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
And his victim(s) died how? Multiple stab wounds? A baseball bat? A lead pipe? Strangulation?
36 posted on 04/29/2014 7:04:48 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: RitaOK

Warm up Old Sparky and fry the maggots.


37 posted on 04/29/2014 7:04:57 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Is government now so incompetent that it cannot even properly execute a prisoner? Has it really come to this?


38 posted on 04/29/2014 7:16:41 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: beelzepug

Or a firing squad. Bullets have got to be cheaper than all this drama.


39 posted on 04/29/2014 7:32:57 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The operation was a success. The patient died.
40 posted on 04/29/2014 7:40:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: SVTCobra03

Whatever works with speed and precision represents society well.

Whatever is an unnecessary and half assed issue of the death penalty is as bad as the crime itself, and represents only the ghoulish satisfaction of those whom are, thankfully, but a tiny rather depraved minority among the civilized.

Firing squad, hanging, and generally even Old Sparky have a more merciful record in application than these new, shiny pharmaceutical methods that have become a punch line for failure.


41 posted on 04/29/2014 7:53:18 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Death most often has pain associated with it.


42 posted on 04/29/2014 10:35:28 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Gamecock

I’m sure where he’s at there are plenty of flames.


43 posted on 04/30/2014 6:03:32 AM PDT by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: cloudmountain

In my opinion, a lethal injection is no more of a sure thing than a trained firing squad, a well built and executed gallows, even a guillotine which I see as all completely sure ways of doing things, and are equal in my mind in the expression of physical discomfort.

Now, mentally, there is likely some difference between falling off to sleep versus hearing a “Ready...Aim...Fire” command, hearing a trap door open and feeling the fall, or having your head forced into a contraption and hearing the blade descend. There is a degree of prolonged terror there, even if only for a second or two. To make the point by taking it to an extreme, being thrown from a 100 story building will surely kill someone when they hit the ground, but the act of falling to the ground might take longer than some feel is “humane”.

Lethal injection must be calibrated to some degree to your body weight, ect, but once you are under, a giant dose of whatever should finish the task.

And I admit, I cannot make the same statement about the electric chair. It seems to me there might be room to really botch that. Given my choice, either firing squad or lethal injection.

I am not a sadist, though I do admit there are some types of crimes for which I might we willing to see extra pain inflicted on the convicted person (such as the 9/11 bombers, etc). But I recognize what that is, a personal wish for vengeance and punishment, and not necessarily what a Christian should espouse, so I view that as a personal shortcoming on my part.

Personally, I don’t have an issue with lethal injection. What I have an issue with is coddling these people who have committed heinous crimes, and have often spent decades appealing cases. Using an excuse such as the person opened their eyes and said something to put it all on hold is offensive to me.


44 posted on 04/30/2014 7:24:10 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel
I don't doubt that some of these people on Death Row are there as a result of crimes of passion, but most of them I would think are there because of the heinous nature of their crime.

A "crime of passion" is second-degree murder, and is not eligible for the death penalty. Crimes eligible for the death penalty are premeditated murder, and murder committed in the process of a felony.

45 posted on 04/30/2014 7:30:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: billorites

It is ghoulish, except for one thing: Most of us have given our societal and moral approval to execution for crimes ranging from murder and treason to desertion.

I think we have an obligation to take a stand on the issue. I don’t like talking about it any more than the next person, but since I would rather see people accused of heinous crimes put to death in very short order other than supporting their existence for several consecutive life sentences (with taxpayer supplied food, clothing, shelter, and yes, amenities) then I am obligated to provide input and take a public stand on how I think it should be carried out.

To avoid the issue would feel cowardly to me. I am not saying you or anyone else is cowardly in this respect, but that is simply how I would feel.


46 posted on 04/30/2014 7:33:12 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: PapaBear3625

Right. I understand the difference, but I think we can agree that there have been people who have been executed over crimes of passion because the legal process or even some of the circumstances made it appear different.

But I do agree, and feel that the vast majority of inmates with capital punishment sentences deserve to be there for what they did.


47 posted on 04/30/2014 7:35:22 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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Right. I understand the difference, but I think we can agree that there have been people who have been executed over crimes of passion because the legal process or even some of the circumstances made it appear different. But I do agree, and feel that the vast majority of inmates with capital punishment sentences deserve to be there for what they did.

In this, there are no solutions, only trade-offs.

A person, once executed, cannot be brought back if it was a mistake. Then again, neither can a violent killer commit more murders after execution, whereas if put in prison he is a danger to other inmates and to his guards.

Meanwhile, we let violent criminals back on the streets, because there is no more room in the prisons to hold them. The blood of those killed and wounded by released criminals should also be a concern.

I would suggest that criminals with multiple violent-crime convictions (like more than three) be brought back before the jury after their latest conviction, the jury be given their ENTIRE criminal record, including any previously-sealed juvenile record, and asked to decide if it would be better that this criminal be put to death, rather than risk him being put back on the streets among them some time in the future.

48 posted on 04/30/2014 8:44:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: rlmorel
"Most of us have given our societal and moral approval to execution for crimes ranging from murder and treason to desertion."

I have no sympathy towards or tender feelings for murderers, traitors, etc. However the death penalty has never been applied in our country in a manner that we would like to see. It takes years to execute a murderer, it's rare for any execution for a capital crime to ever take place, and with the exception of Texas perhaps, the states keep messing it up as the OK example shows.

It's more likely these people would be hit by lightning than suffer a timely execution of the death sentence.

If as a society we are unprepared to administer the death penalty in an even-handed and predictable manner, then I would argue that we shouldn't do it at all. Haphazard doesn't serve the ends of justice, IMHO.

Maybe it shows my "small government" libertarian sort of mindset, but what if we don't empower the government to kill anyone? Let's not kill the elderly, the unborn, the newly born, the infirm or the criminals. Perhaps the fallibility of human nature is such that we shouldn't place ourselves in such a role.

Sign me...
Crotchety old fart

49 posted on 04/30/2014 10:06:15 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: RitaOK

In the name of mercy or whatever we are making this harder than it needs to be.

Heroin, hanging, firing squad, electrocution, cyanide, drowning, all work.

This idea that it should be absolutely painless is absurd. The goal is a dead perpetrator of a heinous crime.

The goal of painless is to prevent executions by those who oppose capital punishment.


50 posted on 04/30/2014 3:03:13 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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