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Neanderthals may have been wiped out due to INTERBREEDING and not because of a lack of intelligence
Daily Mail ^ | 29 April 2014 | JONATHAN O'CALLAGHAN

Posted on 04/29/2014 6:49:50 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

They are often depicted as dim-witted evolutionary losers, but Neanderthals were not driven to extinction by their lack of brains, a new study suggests.

Instead, it is more likely that they disappeared 40,000 years ago because of interbreeding and assimilation with our early modern human ancestors, scientists believe.

An analysis of archaeological evidence dating back 200,000 years strips away some of the myths surrounding Neanderthals and reveals they were more advanced and sophisticated than has widely been thought. Why did Neanderthals go extinct? It's often thought their lack of intelligent ultimately led to their demise, but new research suggests it may instead have been due to interbreeding and assimilation with our early modern human ancestors

Why did Neanderthals go extinct? It's often thought their lack of intelligent ultimately led to their demise, but new research suggests it may instead have been due to interbreeding and assimilation with our early modern human ancestors

The differences between the two human sub-species are not enough on their own to account for the demise of the Neanderthals, say the two US and Dutch researchers.

Dr Paola Villa, from the University of Colorado Museum, and Professor Wil Roebroeks, from Leiden University, wrote in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE: 'Genetic studies now suggest that the debate on the demise of the Neanderthals needs to be reframed in terms of some degree of interbreeding.

'In that sense, Neanderthals did not go extinct, even though their distinctive morphology did disappear.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 04/29/2014 6:49:50 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 04/29/2014 6:50:03 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

If you can’t be with the one you love.....


3 posted on 04/29/2014 6:51:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Fractal Trader
True enough.
There PROBABLY wasn't a large enough group to intermarry. It did NOT take them long to figure out that siblings breeding didn't work.

Probably some did breed with the lesser humanoids but those offspring probably didn't survive...unless you count some of the folks here who, oh never mind.

4 posted on 04/29/2014 6:52:24 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Fractal Trader
I have an ex-brother-in-law that is living, breathing proof.

/johnny

5 posted on 04/29/2014 6:52:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Fractal Trader

Barack Obama and my sister-in-law are living proof that neanderthals and humans did the wild thing.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 6:53:01 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: Fractal Trader

That is not being “wiped out”.


7 posted on 04/29/2014 6:53:48 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Fractal Trader

They contributed their bigger brain case to humans, giving us the gift of enhanced intelligence.

In a way we are the Neanderthals’ beneficiaries.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 6:54:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Fractal Trader

They were kinda the cool foreign guy then? Or something?


9 posted on 04/29/2014 6:54:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Neanderthals may have been wiped out due to INTERBREEDING with Dumb Blondes

there fixed it


10 posted on 04/29/2014 6:55:06 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Fractal Trader

Haven’t we all worked for bosses that we thought were Neanderthals?


11 posted on 04/29/2014 6:55:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Fractal Trader

I know the Democrats must be relieved!


12 posted on 04/29/2014 6:57:16 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oh, for crying out loud.
I am so tired of this.


13 posted on 04/29/2014 6:59:02 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Fractal Trader

Neanderthals had a larger brain than modern man. I recall reading an article in “Encyclopedia Britannica” many years ago which stated that the size of the head actually had a strong positive correlation to intelligence.

To narrow it down a bit, I think it said the size of the head in relation to the size of the rest of the body. I don’t think they are allowed to say that any more.


14 posted on 04/29/2014 6:59:11 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Fractal Trader

A completely politically incorrect question. Will interbreeding be the end of Americans.


15 posted on 04/29/2014 7:03:03 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Fractal Trader

There’s hope for the Middle East after all...


16 posted on 04/29/2014 7:05:45 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: yarddog

I’m not convinced that a larger brain correlates with intelligence...at least in primates.

Even if Neanderthals had larger brains than we do I think we are smarter. And then there is the fact that men have larger brains than women, but I really don’t think men are smarter than women...they are often times more driven and obsessive, but not smarter.


17 posted on 04/29/2014 7:06:02 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Fractal Trader; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Fractal Trader.
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

18 posted on 04/29/2014 7:07:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: goldstategop

They contributed their bigger brain case to humans, giving us the gift of enhanced intelligence.

In a way we are the Neanderthals’ beneficiaries.

That is true, and I don’t believe to sound racist but I believe white people via diversity and friendship like the Neanderthals will become extinct if we are not demised sooner.


19 posted on 04/29/2014 7:07:22 PM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: ifinnegan

It is in liberal thinking.


20 posted on 04/29/2014 7:09:44 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: billorites
That's not what a Neanderthal looked like. This is what a Neanderthal looked like:

The real version of the story

21 posted on 04/29/2014 7:10:21 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: cripplecreek

love the one your with...


22 posted on 04/29/2014 7:12:16 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: All
Danny Vendramini's reconstructions.
23 posted on 04/29/2014 7:13:02 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Bobalu

You should have read what I said completely. What he said was that the size of the head in respect to the size of the rest of the body.

I think all kind of experts now disagree with the guy who wrote the Britannica article even tho it has been proven over and over. The reason is political correctness. Blacks have smaller brains and typically score from 10-15 points lower on IQ tests. It is one of those odd areas in which all the facts say one thing and all the experts, just the opposite.

I will say back in the old days, I had a fairly well known Biology professor, Dr. Fanny Fern Davis, who began teaching after she retired. She also told the class that brain size was correlated to intelligence.


24 posted on 04/29/2014 7:13:57 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: BBell

I clicked on this story just to read the comments. Wasn’t disappointed!!!


25 posted on 04/29/2014 7:14:03 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im W)
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To: Fractal Trader
It's often thought their lack of intelligent ultimately led to their demise...

Perhaps they became journalists.

26 posted on 04/29/2014 7:14:36 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: varmintman

Yeah, but that’s a guy. Show me what the women looked like.


27 posted on 04/29/2014 7:16:05 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: posterchild

Not much better. You gonna do it with something like that??


28 posted on 04/29/2014 7:17:16 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Did Homo Sapiens brew beer back then?


29 posted on 04/29/2014 7:19:07 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: yarddog

In he Neanderthal’s case brain size does not correlate with intelligence. The Neanderthal’s brain was dominated by the areas of the brain associated with motion and vision and amounted to the neurological equivalent of a military night vision system. The Neanderthal spent thousands of years on this Earth without ever coming up with anything comparable to the fancy tools, weapons, and artwork of Cro Magnon man.


30 posted on 04/29/2014 7:20:20 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: posterchild

Beer wouldn’t help...


31 posted on 04/29/2014 7:21:02 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: cripplecreek

Now that was a good one!


32 posted on 04/29/2014 7:22:05 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: yarddog

Men do have larger brains than women in respect to the whole body...it does not mean men are smarter.

I can certainly see why many think that the larger the brain the smarter the person. It seems logical...but it’s not true.

There are racial differences in intellect, but that means little on an individual basis. There are many blacks with genius level IQ’s, there are some brilliant black members of FR. I’d hate to have to match wits with the likes of Thomas Sowell :-) (I wish he was the first black president!)


33 posted on 04/29/2014 7:22:47 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: varmintman
Front view (6" ice-age fur coat removed):

www.themandus.org

Notice the size of the eyes...

34 posted on 04/29/2014 7:24:26 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Bobalu

I disagree but am not going to argue.


35 posted on 04/29/2014 7:24:46 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Bobalu

36 posted on 04/29/2014 7:26:54 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: yarddog

I could be wrong, I often am :-)


37 posted on 04/29/2014 7:28:37 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Fractal Trader

They are still around. How else can you explain Democrats?


38 posted on 04/29/2014 7:30:26 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Bobalu

I do want to add something.

I have known Black people who were so good that it embarrasses me to have to criticize their race.

That there are some Blacks who are geniuses is what would be expected, just the percentage is not as high.

I will admit that my favorite radio host is Walter Williams. I literally prefer listening to him than anyone else. I don’t get to listen to him much since he is usually just a guest host and yes he is a genius.


39 posted on 04/29/2014 7:30:55 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: ConservativeInPA

That question is indeed politically incorrect....a guy could get tarred and feathered for making a statement like that nowadays.


40 posted on 04/29/2014 7:31:44 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Fractal Trader

Doesn’t inbreeding imply a lack of intelligence?


41 posted on 04/29/2014 7:35:15 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: yarddog

Walter Williams is a gift from God IMO.

I don’t think God judges people based on how smart they are... I strive to do the same, I do fail sometimes, but I try.


42 posted on 04/29/2014 7:35:15 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Fractal Trader

So they were he original Aryans? Who knew?


43 posted on 04/29/2014 7:35:22 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Fractal Trader

we all know deep down it was Bush’s fault!


44 posted on 04/29/2014 7:43:47 PM PDT by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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To: Undecided 2012

My family has large skulls. Don’t know about brains although my brother was a double mensa. I wear a large men’s hat (I’m female). Also we have the ginger gene so I’m guessing we’re descended from these guys.


45 posted on 04/29/2014 7:43:52 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: SunkenCiv

So, are they the “missing link” whose DNA pushed humans into their current evolutionary stage of development?


46 posted on 04/29/2014 7:49:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: goldstategop
This kind of thinking has been proposed before, from the "archaeological + New Age" standpoint:

Gobekli Tepe Report

Prepared by Halbert Katzen, J.D.
[Updated 10/26/11]

Schmidt's German-Turkish team has also uncovered some 50 of the huge pillars, including two found in his most recent dig season that are not just the biggest yet, but, according to carbon dating, are the oldest monumental artworks in the world.

========

Adam and Eve Report

Excerpt:

According to The Urantia Book, which was published in 1955, the first human beings (roughly corresponding to Homo erectus) evolved about 1,000,000 years ago. It also recounts that almost 38,000 years ago Adam and Eve introduced some genetic upgrades into our gene pool, which enhanced brain function and resistance to disease (roughly corresponding with Homo sapiens sapiens). The authors extensively recount the development of the civilization that Adam and Eve started and how their descendants migrated around the world and mixed with other races. The Urantia Book provides specific information regarding time periods, places, degree of admixture with other races, and the impact on language and other aspects of culture.

=========

Garden of Eden Report

Garden.pdf

Updated 3/7/07

(Just sayin' -- not necessarily recommending)
Have some fun on a rainy Saturday --

47 posted on 04/29/2014 7:56:20 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Mercat

So you are a red haired girl with a largish head full of brains...sounds good :-) ... a FR asset. (I love red headed gals)


48 posted on 04/29/2014 7:57:29 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Fractal Trader

Interbreeding isn’t very smart.


49 posted on 04/29/2014 8:02:14 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Bobalu

And a Marxist when that social approach breathed life into the flawed Darwinism in the late 1800s (survival of the fittest).


50 posted on 04/29/2014 8:03:13 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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