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Sterling’s racism is ugly, but the loss of privacy will be even worse
Boston Globe ^ | 4/30/14 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 04/30/2014 3:17:10 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

A FEW thoughts on the Donald Sterling scandal....

....My sympathy for Sterling is nonexistent. His racist remarks are odious, and they couldn’t have come as a shock to anyone who has followed his career. Yet the most alarming part of this story has less to do with basketball or the racial prejudices of an 80-year-old plutocrat than with what it says about the rapidly disappearing presumption that things we say in our personal lives will stay personal.

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A few voices of sanity are getting through.....
1 posted on 04/30/2014 3:17:10 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
I wouldn't even criticize his remarks. People have different opinions about lots of things. Forcing everyone to like a particular thing is just tyranny. I want freedom. And that means if someone dislikes something (ex. Jazz, Modern Art, sushi, whatever) then it's no big deal.

Sterling has his own preferences.

I don't care. At all.

2 posted on 04/30/2014 3:19:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SoFloFreeper

Can one reasonably expect privacy when dealing with a prostitute? One already knows that she will sell anything that she can.


3 posted on 04/30/2014 3:22:42 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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>> His racist remarks are odious,

Yawn... private remarks... let’s review everyone’s private remarks to establish a baseline...


4 posted on 04/30/2014 3:26:57 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Same here. I don’t care. At all.
I prefer vanilla ice cream, not chocolate. Am I a bigot?


5 posted on 04/30/2014 3:46:56 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: SoFloFreeper
If you really want to get disgusted, click on the link to the Globe and read the comments. It seems like the liberals in Boston have no issues with losing ones privacy. In fact the over riding sentiment is that there is NO right to privacy if you go against certain core beliefs that libs hold near and dear.

don't believe me? Then click on the link and read for yourselves. I am sure most people here will find the comments chilling

6 posted on 04/30/2014 3:49:21 AM PDT by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I just listened to the conversation to see what all the hoopla was about. I was expecting vile and degrading remarks about blacks, after hearing what the punishment was for this guy.

Unless I was listening to something else, I thought the old man was more concerned about the image it created when his way-too-young “girlfriend” was cavorting with very fit, physical younger-than-him black men.

Let’s be blunt - I am over sixty and when I was growing up, when you saw a white woman with a black man, the rumor was (at least back then) that she was in it because the sex was better. Sorry, but that’s what was said.

Unless he has other issues in his past as being racist, he didn’t seem to personally have any hate for blacks, at least by what I listened to.

In any case, it was a private conversation, or so he thought. He really didn’t sound that hateful. Just old, tired, and not politically correct.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 3:50:54 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: iowamark

huh?


8 posted on 04/30/2014 3:52:30 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: JudyinCanada

You’re correct.


9 posted on 04/30/2014 3:53:10 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SoFloFreeper

He and his girlfriend were having an argument. She wanted to have it both ways, his money and her boyfriends on the side. How would you feel? His girlfriend set him up and he was dumb enough to fall in the trap.


10 posted on 04/30/2014 3:55:03 AM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: Sir_Humphrey

I’ve run into that on other message boards and social media sites too. Too many people have be raised under the umbrella of freedom and have no experience with the horrors of Fascism and communism. They never saw the movies of people being shot in the back escaping East Germany, getting hooked out of the water off the shores of Cuba only to have their dead bodies pushed back in. They have no idea because those that lived through it and those that fought against it are dying off and never really want to relive the hell by recounting it for the history books. To them Cuba isn’t all that bad, NoKo’s Kim is just a funny looking guy that likes to boss people around, watch basketball and has strange haircut.


11 posted on 04/30/2014 3:57:06 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: WellyP

He explicitly had no problems with her seeing other men, so long as it was private. He didn’t like her associating with these oversexed studs, likely because he felt that humiliated him.


12 posted on 04/30/2014 3:58:09 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: SoFloFreeper
Looking at the bigger picture, anybody with Internet access has pretty much forfeited their privacy already. Whatever you post on social media today (and that includes Free Republic) will stay with you the rest of your life. If you are a 20 year old and you run for public office in the future, your entire posting history will be accessible by your opponents.

Hiding behind a screen name won't help you much either. At some point, our screen names will be mapped to our real names. Bank on it. For our web surfing activity is creating a "digital signature" that will be unique to each one of us and from that database, our real identities will be known.

Couple that with the growing number of surveillance cameras and other such technology. Eventually, all our public activity will be recorded and searchable as we will be able to go nowhere public without being recorded.

13 posted on 04/30/2014 4:02:39 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Ted Grant

The Clipper players are in for a rude surprise if Sterling doesn’t sell and it ends up for years in litigation, as they will be hurt the most out of this fiasco. Monetarily, and draft-wise. I’m sure most of them aren’t eager to have to move somewhere else and I’m sure most of them don’t want to have to sell their homes. Instead of warm LA, they might end up in cold Chicago, lol.

Plus their salaries somewhere else might be less than what they are being paid now. Plus their wives, if married, aren’t going to like being uprooted, kids having to change schools and lose their friends. All this will happen if the NBA decides to try to punish Sterling by making the players free agents, free to leave for other teams, or making the Sterling franchise lose money and AD sponsors.

Then there is the NAACP. Donald Sterling gave lots of money to the NAACP. He won’t be doing that anymore, IMO. So they will lose lots of bucks from Sterling’s contributions. If Sterling ever did decide to sell the team, he’d make a huge profit, huge. So the only losers here will be the players, their families, and the NAACP. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know.


14 posted on 04/30/2014 4:03:49 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: SoFloFreeper
It's a travesty how many people are willing, even eager, to forego freedom, liberty, and privacy in the name of political correctness.

A direct result of a nation that has turned it's back on God.

16 posted on 04/30/2014 4:05:24 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Yet the most alarming part of this story has less to do with basketball or the racial prejudices of an 80-year-old plutocrat than with what it says about the rapidly disappearing presumption that things we say in our personal lives will stay personal.”

TOTALLY CORRECT.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 4:05:55 AM PDT by ZULU (Devil Patrick FREE Justina Pelletier!!!)
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To: JudyinCanada
If the man didn't know he was being recorded, then the ramblings of an old man said in private should not be used against him!
If, as the wh*re claims, he asked to be recorded because of dementia, all the worse as far as I am concerned! The wh*re knew of his physical state and took advantage of him and his private thoughts.
I was under the assumption that in the state of CA, both parties had to be aware of being recorded so the claim that both knew they were being recorded, clears her. But, if the reason both knew of the recording is because of his dementia, then that physical condition comes into play as far as his mental state and his statements should not be used against him!
18 posted on 04/30/2014 4:09:00 AM PDT by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: SoFloFreeper

I see this less as ‘disciplinary action’ than as the economic decision of the other owners. They are in the business of selling a non-essential good. Their entire business model is built on people having positive associations with their brand. They are dependent on people buying tickets, and on companies creating a myriad of cross-endorsement deals for everything from beer to shoes.

There are many worse ‘crimes’ than what Stirling, but it’s hard to conceive of anything Stirling could have said or done that did more harm to their business model. The value of the San Diego Clippers, in Stirling’s hands, is now zero. He will get several hundred million dollars for selling the franchise because it is worth that much in the hands of another owner. But the other owners, through the commissioner are telling him he has to sell because he is damaging the value of their franchises as well.

This isn’t a judicial proceeding. The NBA is a voluntary economic parternship among the franchise owners. He knew that when he decided to buy a franchise. And what he said, though said in private and not illegal, damaged the value of the other owner’s franchises and they acted accordingly.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 4:10:20 AM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: SoFloFreeper

...”A few voices of sanity are getting through”.....

Yes. I believe Americans of all races are going to conclude that our first amendment rights are more important than the political correctness being used against an obviously immoral, in my view, old man, who is probably experiencing some form of dementia. The girlfriend should go to jail, whether or not she was part of a plot to steal his team from him, as was suggested yesterday on Rush. This kind of political intrigue is dangerous for all of us..Do not let this happen, people. If this man is no longer capable of running his business, then his family should make the decisions. His property should not be confiscated from him because of his psychology or his speech. Anything else means that no one is safe under a now despotic system which is unconstitutional.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 4:10:29 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: SoFloFreeper

until the Messiah is crucified, soon perhaps, the hyper sensitivity will pervade our society.

The hyper sensitivity of the upper level black subculture is feeling it’s oats


21 posted on 04/30/2014 4:13:04 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ZULU; All
“Yet the most alarming part of this story has less to do with basketball or the racial prejudices of an 80-year-old plutocrat than with what it says about the rapidly disappearing presumption that things we say in our personal lives will stay personal.”

Oh, shut up! He's the one that wanted everything taped in the first place! This spin takes a huge backseat to what Sterling is!

22 posted on 04/30/2014 4:14:44 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: 4everontheRight

You are 100% correct!


23 posted on 04/30/2014 4:16:14 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: sirchtruth
Ok, Redneck Dumbass! (My opinion) I don't want "IDIOTS" like you commenting on this board because what you wrote is just about the most asinine remark I have EVER seen concerning Sterling.
When you don't have an argument...and YOU DON'T...you resort to name calling...take it over to the Koz, pal. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion (in this case even you). When opinion becomes illegal, as it has with Sterling, it is time for a new government. ...and we are very close as this incident displays.
24 posted on 04/30/2014 4:25:13 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Like it or not, “PC” rules America now.


25 posted on 04/30/2014 4:26:29 AM PDT by Biggirl (Ā“Go, do not be afraid, and serveĀ”-Pope Francis)
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To: CaptainMorgantown

I don’t disagree with what you say; my point is that, in essence, private conversations ought to be kept private as long as a crime isn’t being committed.

This was a public shakedown of an old man, that is as plain as the nose on Barbra Streisand’s face. And whatever excuse is used for the shakedown (in this case racism) it is wrong.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 4:27:37 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: jazzlite

Look for all this to land up in a court of law.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 4:28:46 AM PDT by Biggirl (Ā“Go, do not be afraid, and serveĀ”-Pope Francis)
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To: SoFloFreeper

It will land up in court.


28 posted on 04/30/2014 4:29:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (Ā“Go, do not be afraid, and serveĀ”-Pope Francis)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Not wanting your mistress to show up in public with black boyfriends, especially a sex pervert with AIDS, is not surprising. What is surprising is that he let her show up at all.

If I had been paying for her Maserati, she would be sitting at home in a sexy nightgown, waiting for a booty call if I didn’t happen to be available to go to the game.


29 posted on 04/30/2014 4:30:18 AM PDT by anton
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

So can we now expect the speech police to be checking out everyone’s facebook posts?

I dare say, there will be a LOT of hateful speech posted on the pages of facebook, from ALL colours. I have heard some rants from blacks about whites that would curl your hair.


30 posted on 04/30/2014 4:31:41 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: SamAdams76

Not really, it will not happen.


31 posted on 04/30/2014 4:32:15 AM PDT by Biggirl (Ā“Go, do not be afraid, and serveĀ”-Pope Francis)
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To: SoFloFreeper

My prediction is that it will land up in a court, as in a court of LAW.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 4:33:49 AM PDT by Biggirl (Ā“Go, do not be afraid, and serveĀ”-Pope Francis)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I listened to that dialogue between Sterling and his bimbo, it was a set up all the way, said bimbo had one purpose by asking those leading questions and that was to destroy Sterling. Why? I don’t know - $$$$ from somewhere, to be sure.

In a truly free country, one could be as racist as one wanted to be. I don’t see any of his millionaire players threatening to quit.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 4:34:01 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: FES0844
I prefer vanilla ice cream, not chocolate. Am I a bigot?

You're the worst kind of racist.....your racism is sooooooo pervasive, you subliminally reject chocolate because of its color. Well I have news for you.....vanilla beans are BLACK.......think about THAT the next time you try and enjoy that bowl of 'familiar' ice cream.

J/k

34 posted on 04/30/2014 4:34:09 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: jazzlite

He knew he was being recorded. She was his Historian and always recorded his thoughts because he forgot them. Sterling is a moron.
That being said, his Girlfriend is nothing more than a bitter whore acting like a John who stiffed her on a trick. She even is accused of ripping him off of 2 million dollars so she isn’t Snow White either.
All parties in this are scum.


35 posted on 04/30/2014 4:36:33 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: SoFloFreeper

What ever happened to “Actions speak louder than words”? Going by ACTIONS this guy is being feted by the NAACP etc...


36 posted on 04/30/2014 4:45:20 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: liberalh8ter

Well there ya go.....vanilla beans are BLACK.......
So I guess the content trumps the color after all!


37 posted on 04/30/2014 4:46:07 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: SoFloFreeper
This goes beyond privacy.. there's the apparent acceptance that there's good racism (Black power! La Raza!) and there's bad racism (live white people).

Sterling was ugly. Yes but.. Oprah Winfrey (the apparent good racism) is deadly. She didn't just say, "Don't bring 'em to my show," she said:

"There are still generations of older people who were born and breed and marinated in that prejudice and racism and they just have to die," she added." [She's not talking about the victims of racism!]

"We agree!" applauded the members of the nation's Knockout Game Teams, et al.

Which raises a question about suing Winfrey, et al using the doctrine of vicarious liability. It's been used to blame at least one white supremacist group for actions of people who had only heard the group's hate speech.

38 posted on 04/30/2014 4:49:58 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ah! 1984!
BIG BROTHER is watching you and listening to everything you think or say.

How could Orwell be so exact in his description of America back in the 40’s?

Well, it’s here and it’s only going to get worse as time goes on.


39 posted on 04/30/2014 4:53:25 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: FES0844
That 1 drop rule applies to ice cream, as well......except there's no blood in ice cream....well, there shouldn't be .....oh, you get the idea.
40 posted on 04/30/2014 4:53:35 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: WellyP; All

How about this, gang ? What say you ?

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Sterling’s racism is ugly, but the loss of privacy will be even worse, WellyP wrote:
He and his girlfriend were having an argument. She wanted to have it both ways, his money and her boyfriends on the side. How would you feel? His girlfriend set him up and he was dumb enough to fall in the trap.

That’s pretty much the way I see it. A silly,stupid,(perhaps even lonely, but really a jerk,)old fool. Was being serviced by a young female gold digger who was in turn being was being serviced by much youger black bucks at his expence which she paraded in front of him. Just to piss him off. Somehow after speaking with her lawyer sets up a situation where the dotting dupe seeing what little loyalty to him he expected from her being destroyed. Vents his frustration over a taped phone conversation that suddenly gets made public.


41 posted on 04/30/2014 5:00:27 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is a one-way street. Whites cannot get away with “racist” words or actions, while Blacks get away with it all the time. Spike Lee has not been banned from attending Knicks games for his racist comments, and Jay-Z was not banned from attending Nets games for wearing a racist medallion. Undoubtedly, many blacks in positions of power have made racist statements or done things that would be considered racist if they were white. Obama and Holder palling around with Al Sharpton for example. Hypocrisy rules this country.


42 posted on 04/30/2014 5:01:13 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: SoFloFreeper

There is worse racism coming from America’s first and foremost victim group.


43 posted on 04/30/2014 5:04:08 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: JudyinCanada

And how racist is he actually when his girl “friend” is half black? The old fool might actually be a nasty racist, but so what? The league has now created a situation where anybody making what is considered racist remarks has to be removed. But what do you bet it will only be one-way?...whites will be kicked to the curb while blacks will get away with making similar statements.


44 posted on 04/30/2014 5:04:32 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Biggirl

My prediction is that it will land up in a court, as in a court of LAW.


What LAW? There are laws for the “little people” and laws for the rich, famous and political zealots.

Now, with the Kenyan communist as president we have no laws at all...only what he and his minions pick and choose at will.

Which law are we talking about?


45 posted on 04/30/2014 5:10:11 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Sir_Humphrey

Who set him up ?


46 posted on 04/30/2014 5:10:13 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: JudyinCanada

Well said. This is just more distractions from what the politicians are doing to us.


47 posted on 04/30/2014 5:10:35 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: sirchtruth

Geez, talk about over the top. I’d rather not have people like you commenting on this board. Get a grip.


48 posted on 04/30/2014 5:12:51 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I like that this is from the Boston Globe. We might be reaching the point where the far left and the far right can put aside differences for awhile and fight the worst enemy....the ruling class and the media thought police.

I want freedom. And that means if someone dislikes something, then it's no big deal

There's so much more clarity when people have freedom of speech and thought. Without them, we lose everything. The issue that he was taped in his own home AND the media played that probably illegal disclosure (who knows what the courts would say?) is beginning to get some attention.

Meanwhile, I've decided to be outraged today....about babies killed through abortion, about US warmongering, arming the badguys and coverups, about the number of murders in Chicago and other cities on a regular basis, about veterans who die homeless in the streets,......

49 posted on 04/30/2014 5:24:41 AM PDT by grania
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To: Sir_Humphrey

:: the liberals in Boston have no issues with losing ones privacy. ::

Which is funny because, in Massachusetts, Sterling’s hooker-friend would be the one serving jail time for recording him with out his express written permission.


50 posted on 04/30/2014 5:27:08 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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