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Zoloft & Prozac Linked to Child Suicides & Mass Shootings
nsnbc International ^ | 4/29/14 | Susan Posel

Posted on 04/30/2014 4:50:02 AM PDT by mgist

Zoloft & Prozac Linked to Child Suicides & School Shootings

Susanne Posel (OC) : Researchers with the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and Gillings School of Global Health (GSGH) published a study that found “children and young adults initiating therapy with antidepressants at high-therapeutic (rather than modal-therapeutic) doses seem to be at heightened risk of deliberate self-harm.”

Matthew Miller, lead author of the study and associate professor at HSPH asked : “The design of the study was meant to really address the question, does dose matter? If I were a parent, I definitely wouldn’t want my child to start on a higher dose of these drugs.”

The research was conducted on Celexa, Zoloft and Prozac. In their conclusion, the researchers warned that their

“findings offer clinicians an additional incentive to avoid initiating pharmacotherapy at high-therapeutic doses and to closely monitor patients starting antidepressants, especially youth, for several months.”

In patients younger than 24, it was shown that 18% were prescribed higher initial doses of anti-depressants which is in violation of “current medical guidelines”. Indeed, this study showed that

“suicidal behavior is twice as likely when children and young adults are randomized to antidepressants compared with when they are randomized to placebo.”

The “health care utilization data” was collected on “162,625 US residents with depression ages 10 to 64 years who initiated antidepressant therapy with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors at modal or at higher than modal doses from January 1, 1998, through December 31, 2010.” It was deduced by the findings that

“the rate of deliberate self-harm among children and adults 24 years of age or younger who initiated high-dose therapy was approximately twice as high as among matched patients initiating modal-dose therapy.”

With estimations at 1 out of 150 patients being prescribed “high” dose instead of “modal-dose[s]” it is clear that this study questions the practices of doctors and psychiatrists who prescribe anti-depressant medication with regard to appropriate dosage for children and young adults less than 24 years of age.

The study revealed that the risk of suicide was greatest within the first 3 months of treatment. Miller commented:

“It certainly is one more piece of information that should make doctors reluctant to start younger patients on high doses; even if those doses are within the therapeutic range.”

The International Society for Ethical Psychology and Psychiatry (ISEPP) released a statement after the Sandy Hook shooting wherein they called “for an inquiry into the connection between these acts of mass murder and the use of psychotropic drugs.”

In their press release, the ISEPP pointed out that:

James Holmes the Colorado batman shooter, had taken 100 milligrams of Vicodin immediately before he shot up the movie theater Christopher Pittman was on antidepressants when he killed his grandparents Eric Harris , one of the gunmen in the Columbine school shooting, was taking Luvox and Dylan Klebold, his partner, had taken Zoloft and Paxil Doug Williams , who killed five and wounded nine of his fellow Lockheed Martin employees, was on Zoloft and Celexa Michael McDermott was on three antidepressants when he fired off 37 rounds and killed seven of his fellow employees in the Massachusetts Wakefield massacre Kip Kinkel was on Prozac when he killed his parents and then killed 2 children and wounded 25 at a nearby school In fourteen recent school shoots, the acts were committed by persons taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs, resulting in over 100 wounded and 58 killed In other school shootings, information about the shooter’s prescription drug use and other medical history were kept from public records Susanne Posel, Occupy Corporatism

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; prozac; schoolshootings; zoloft

1 posted on 04/30/2014 4:50:02 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you. By the way, how dangerous is Lyrica?


2 posted on 04/30/2014 4:52:20 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: mgist

gee, maybe this population is at high risk of self harming if they ARENT IN MEDICAL TREATMENT

ya think


3 posted on 04/30/2014 4:55:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

Good, logical thought. Were that it were applied to every instance of alarmism when it comes to drugs...both legal and illegal. Dare to dream, I suppose.


4 posted on 04/30/2014 4:59:58 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The hearing aid?


5 posted on 04/30/2014 5:00:16 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: mgist

Ya, my study reached that conclusion 20 years ago.

Note, the FDA knew this 20 years ago, as its include in the warnings and side effects of the drugs. (well, not the shooting part)

That’s what happens when shrinks and lazy parents are enticed by simple solutions.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 5:04:01 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: mgist

(for the record, I think there is a link between violence/desensitization and these drugs but...)

This immediately makes it clear whoever wrote this article is very confused about the whole thing:

“James Holmes the Colorado batman shooter, had taken 100 milligrams of Vicodin immediately before he shot up the movie theater”

What does that have to do with the topic at hand or the price of cheese curds in Wisconsin?

(Hint: Vicodin is an opioid and hepatotoxin (acetaminophen), not psychiatric related drug)


7 posted on 04/30/2014 5:08:21 AM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: mgist

These drug companies and doctors should be sued to the max for unleashing these demonic killers among us and our children.


8 posted on 04/30/2014 5:10:50 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: mgist
So depressed, suicidal people are more likely to be suicidal, unless they are putting Zoloft in school lunches?
9 posted on 04/30/2014 5:13:36 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: silverleaf

Maybe self-harming, but there weren’t too many instances of random mass shootings before their existence. Even the UT Clock Tower shooter back in ‘66 was on ADHD medication.


10 posted on 04/30/2014 5:16:07 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: mgist

Yet they will kick in your door and murder you in your sleep for cannabis.


11 posted on 04/30/2014 5:16:27 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: mgist

I wonder if the Kennesaw FedEx shooter was on any of these. Ditto Sandy hook, Aurora CO, Gabby Giffords shooters as well. And probably a pile more we could come up with.


12 posted on 04/30/2014 5:17:15 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: mgist
Unexpected
13 posted on 04/30/2014 5:35:56 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: FreedomPoster

Before the 1980’s kids didn’t shoot up schools, what changed? Seriously, you can go back 200 years and I think there was one incident in the 70’s where a kid shot his school principal.

Some things that changed:
1. In the early 80’s more kids were being raised by strangers in day care than by parents and grandparents for the first time in all of human history.
2. We started drugging our kids and demonizing boyhood.

3. Political correctness also went mainstream, I’m not sure how this affects school shootings but it seems to beet the root of all of our other problems.


14 posted on 04/30/2014 5:41:52 AM PDT by bigtoona
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To: mgist

Public Government School promote this crap.
Young boys are acting like young boys.Young teachers cant handle this and deem the kid as having a perceived disorder when all that is happening is the young boy is being a “Young Boy”.
This is all part of the pusifacation of america brought on by the radical womens movement that would like to transform young boys into what they feel young boys should be.A pusssy
Just look at the previous post about the “young boy” shaping a pastry into a gun.That boy is the only normal one in the story


15 posted on 04/30/2014 5:43:16 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: mgist
Of intrest
16 posted on 04/30/2014 5:56:57 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: PissAndVinegar
"...desensitization..."

Heres an interesting article on that. Just scary.

"SSRI-Induced Indifference"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989833/?report=classic

17 posted on 04/30/2014 5:57:40 AM PDT by moovova
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To: CGASMIA68

What if that kid had gnawed his Pop Tart into the shape of...a CROSS!!!!!

Then held it up high and shouted, “Jesus is Lord!”

(Oh the Huge Manatee.....)


18 posted on 04/30/2014 6:05:18 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: elcid1970

If I had a kid in school I would instruct him to do just that and then stand bye with a law team


19 posted on 04/30/2014 6:09:56 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

content not found.
Musta been spot on?


20 posted on 04/30/2014 6:10:54 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: mgist

Extremely misleading headline. The import of the story is NOT that the drugs themselves “cause” the problems, but that HIGH DOSES are associated with the problems.

(Pseudo-Crisis eliminated. Now on to the next one!)


21 posted on 04/30/2014 6:18:21 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: CGASMIA68

When my teenage daughter was going through her “Angst” period, which included bulimia, she was prescribed an anti depressant, anti anxiety, anti convulsive plus more of the same to help her sleep. All of these had the same side effect which was suicidal thoughts. so to fix al of this, they prescribe Ambilify, to “boost” the effectiveness of the other drugs.

After a few years of dealing with the suicide attempts(thank god she sucks at suicide), a yearlong trip to the residential treatment facility, numerous psychiatric stays, enough cutting to think she was attacked by lycans, spending my entire life savings and a bout with the law, I decided that it was time to take her to “my guy.”

For years I told her doctors, my wife and anyone who would listen that she has way too many meds in her and we should simplify. And everyone told me she was borderline, manically depressed and whatnot. “My guy” is a childhood friend of mine who “dabbled” in pharmaceuticals before realizing his calling was in psychiatry, where he could legally prescribe meds.

Onto the plane, cross country we went. He told us to bring all her meds, which the TSA had a field day with. Basically it was “why so many pills?” which got the response, “none of your damned business.” Got to his house, he told me to go get dinner and come back in an hour. Got back to the house and he told me she is good.

He lowered her meds to two at night to help her sleep and one during the day, for ADHD. For two years now she hasn’t cut, hasn’t been hospitalized and has been functioning. I asked him what he did. Here was his response. “every specialist you see will diagnose her according to his specialty. And he won’t remove her from any other doctors prescriptions for fear of being sued.”


22 posted on 04/30/2014 6:28:07 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: silverleaf
gee, maybe this population is at high risk of self harming if they ARENT IN MEDICAL TREATMENT ya think

The question is are they at a HIGHER risk of self harming if they are on treatment.

"Gee".

23 posted on 04/30/2014 6:30:11 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: txrefugee

Many times mentally ill folks are on medication. Who’d a thunk perfectly sane people would be killers.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 6:33:34 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: mgist
Indeed, this study showed that “suicidal behavior is twice as likely when children and young adults are randomized to antidepressants compared with when they are randomized to placebo.”

So this is saying that these antidepressants at these levels do far more harm than good? If this is so, these pharmaceutical companies and the FDA should be criminally libel for the incredible damage the use of these products have caused.

25 posted on 04/30/2014 6:34:36 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: EQAndyBuzz

My child’s school is famous for “suggesting” that these kids get put on drugs instead of being dealt with.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 6:44:07 AM PDT by losinmyreligion
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To: mgist

bfl


27 posted on 04/30/2014 6:50:52 AM PDT by txmissy
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To: mgist

Beware. Medication only masks the symptoms. Underneath that happy, happy person is a crazy when he goes off his meds. Kind of like cats who show affection but really want to eat you.


28 posted on 04/30/2014 6:54:57 AM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: FreedomPoster
In other school shootings, information about the shooter’s prescription drug use and other medical history were kept from public records

From the original article:

"In other school shootings, information about the shooter’s prescription drug use and other medical history were kept from public records."

29 posted on 04/30/2014 7:41:56 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: mgist

Take them off the meds, problem solved.


30 posted on 04/30/2014 7:46:18 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: moovova

Completely logical (and should have been known) - you can’t just shut off the bad emotions (depressed, anxious, lonely, afraid) and expect all other emotions to remain unchanged.

These drugs don’t stop you from feeling depressed, they stop you from feeling.


31 posted on 04/30/2014 8:05:54 AM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: G Larry

No, Pregabalin.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 6:09:49 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

>> So this is saying that these antidepressants at these levels do far more harm than good? <<

I don’t think so. I don’t see any discussion in the article of the number of people who are HELPED by these medications. None at all.

So, for all I know, the people helped may outnumber the people harmed by ten to one, maybe as much as one hundred to one.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 7:12:36 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It was joke...no?


34 posted on 04/30/2014 7:36:16 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: txrefugee

Of course, but they have bought more powerful politicians than gun manufacturers can afford.


35 posted on 04/30/2014 7:42:51 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: G Larry

ROFL. Better? lol


36 posted on 04/30/2014 8:03:37 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Hawthorn
I don’t see any discussion in the article of the number of people who are HELPED by these medications. None at all.

"With regards to the cohort in discussion, children and young adults, the article is clear that the drugs double the risk of suicidal behavior"

So, for all I know, the people helped may outnumber the people harmed by ten to one, maybe as much as one hundred to one.

I don't know what your definition of "help" could possibly be, but any drug that makes depressed children and young adults twice as likely to kill themselves certainly isn't helping!

37 posted on 04/30/2014 9:18:59 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: mgist
The risk danger in this is the increased dosages especially in younger persons would be an adverse reaction called Serotonin Syndrome.

Essentially the Serotonin located mainly in the digestive tract migrates to the brain. The potency of this chemical in the brain is pretty much like LSD. It may be the individuals lower tolerance to the medication or it can be an over the counter cold medication which has also been documented to trigger it.

I saw a person go through it from beginning stage till a near stroke and extreme hallucinations and even at one point unconsciousness. The most disturbing part of it all was the extreme lack of ability of doctors involved including the prescribing one to diagnose it much less recognize it.

Could these meds under the wrong circumstances trigger a person to where they did violent acts that if not taking the medications they would have never considered doing? IMO Yes it's very possible if they were having this adverse reaction.

Doctors freak at writing a prescription for drugs like Valium, Xanax, etc which will not cause this to happen {the antidote to Serotonin actually} and write antidepressant medications out like candy in ignorance.

38 posted on 04/30/2014 10:01:45 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: FreeReign

well, try living with a clinically depressed and/or bipolar teenager that is not in treatment and maybe you’ll find out

Its not fun, been there

suicide is the ultimate form of self medicatioon


39 posted on 05/01/2014 3:39:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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