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Italian judges report that convicted Amanda Knox killed roommate with knife . . .
New York Daily News ^ | April 29, 2014 | Bill Hutchinson

Posted on 04/30/2014 8:22:00 AM PDT by Scoutmaster

The appellate court in Florence on Tuesday issued a 337-page explanation for its January guilty verdicts against the American and her former boyfriend Rafaelle Sollecito.

American beauty Amanda Knox slit her roommate’s throat with a knife in a fit of rage over being accused of stealing money, the Italian court that convicted her explained Tuesday.

The former exchange student from Seattle delivered the fatal slash as cohorts restrained victim Meredith Kercher during a 2007 drug-fueled get together, the judicial panel in Florence asserted in a 337-page document.

In their lengthy dissertation explaining the “motivation” behind their guilty verdict, the judges said the evidence shows Knox “lashed the deadly wound to the throat.”

The judges also concluded that Kercher, 21, of Great Britain was stabbed with “two different knives,” including the one wielded by Knox.

The report found Knox’s ex-boyfriend Rafaelle Sollecito and Rudy Guede were equally responsible for Kercher’s death.

Guede, who is serving a 16-year prison sentence for the murder, told investigators that Kercher had accused Knox of stealing 300 euros from her bedroom in the house they shared in Perugia, Italy.

“Meredith was immobilized and was unable to put up any useful resistance due to the fact that she was overpowered by a number of aggressors and simultaneously stabbed with the blades,” the judges wrote in the report.

The report was written to support the panel’s conviction of Knox and Sollecito in January. Defense lawyers now have 90 days to appeal to Italy’s high court.

From her home in Seattle, Knox scoffed at the report.

“The recent motivation document does not — and cannot — change the forensic evidence: Experts agreed that my DNA was not found anywhere in Meredith’s room, while the DNA of the actual murderer, Rudy Guede, was found throughout that room and on Meredith’s body,” Knox said in a statement Tuesday.

“This forensic evidence directly refutes the multiple-assailant theory found in the new motivation document,” she said. “This theory is not supported by any reliable forensic evidence.”

She said she remained “hopeful” that the Italian Supreme Court will “once again recognize my innocence.”

Knox has vowed to fight any attempts to extradite her to Italy, saying, “they’ll have to pull me back kicking and screaming.”

She and Sollecito were initially found guilty in 2009 and both were sentenced to 25 years in prison. An appeals court overturned the convictions in 2011 and released Sollecito and Knox, who immediately returned to the U.S.

In March 2013, Italy’s highest criminal court set aside the acquittal and ordered a new trial. During the retrial, Knox, who remained in Seattle, and Sollecito were convicted.


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The Italian legal system has another new theory of the case, set out in a 337-page report (which is in Italian; I speak molto poco italiano e non molto ben).

The report's release means Knox's defense attorney can now appeal the case to Italy's Supreme Court. If Knox is again found guilty, she could have to face an extradition fight.

1 posted on 04/30/2014 8:22:00 AM PDT by Scoutmaster
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To: Scoutmaster

impeach obama


2 posted on 04/30/2014 8:23:04 AM PDT by maddogtiger
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To: Scoutmaster
Knox has vowed to fight any attempts to extradite her to Italy, saying, “they’ll have to pull me back kicking and screaming.”

I suppose that could be arranged.

3 posted on 04/30/2014 8:24:47 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Scoutmaster
Rafaelle Sollecito and Rudy Guede

It would seem to me a voluntary lie detector given to one or both could confirm her complicity.

4 posted on 04/30/2014 8:26:57 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: maddogtiger

American Beauty? Please


5 posted on 04/30/2014 8:28:55 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Scoutmaster

I’ve heard much ABOUT this case, but find it bizarre. What is the lowdown? Did Knox likely commit murder, or is she being setup? Italian courts don’t seem trustworthy, lol.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 8:31:32 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Scoutmaster

She somehow just cleaned up all her own DNA, but left the other DNA intact, lol, brilliant. This is absurd. They have the killer. He’s in jail.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 8:32:05 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Scoutmaster

This is a change from the Italian courts original claim that-a she was-a moorder the signorella in a Satanic orgy where she was-a witnessed consorting with the devil.

Mama-Mia! Asti Spumante!


8 posted on 04/30/2014 8:32:35 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: maddogtiger

Too bad she’s white. Obama would pardon her.


9 posted on 04/30/2014 8:32:57 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: avenir

Italy, lovely as it is, is stuck in the 15th Century and remains largely in the grip of medieval superstition.


10 posted on 04/30/2014 8:35:47 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Scoutmaster
Europe is notorious for refusing to extradite people to the US.Europeans...and European politicians and judges...almost universally see our justice system as "cowboy justice" (a phrase I've heard used by Europeans).However,in spite of that I'd be more than willing to extradite this girl to Italy.If it was Uganda,Mexico,Pakistan or China I wouldn't.If the charge was "blaspheming Islam" or "denying the Holocaust" (which is a crime in Germany) I wouldn't.

But in this case I say "send her back".

11 posted on 04/30/2014 8:37:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: avenir

Maybe it’s the Rococo style of criminal theory.

A known burglar with a history of carrying a knife surprises a young woman when he breaks into a house, rapes her and kills her.

Too easy! Too simple! Too mundane for such a tragedy! Not just Guede’s knife, not just Occam’s Razor, so English, so boring! There were two or three of them! There was acquaintance, and hatred, and perversion, and jealousy! There was sex gone wrong! Yes! That is the theory!


12 posted on 04/30/2014 8:39:48 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Scoutmaster

She had better keep her appeals going and never step foot outside the United States.


13 posted on 04/30/2014 8:42:35 AM PDT by allendale
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To: angcat
The over-riding inference of her guilt for me is when I consider the odds of a girl sharing a room in Italy with another girl who is stabbed to death in a brutal and violent murder. A privileged, if only in her own mind, arrogant rich-bitch wannabe, away from any parental control, involved with a sleazy boy friend, involved in drugs, involved with sleazoid drug dealers makes you suspect the possibility of foul play.

Her claim of no DNA doesn't hold up. Assuming the two guys have subdued the victim all she had to do was take the knife and slash or stab. Assuming the three together had even half a brain between them they would have washed any trace blood off themselves (at least her hands) and there is no reason for her DNA to be on the knife (especially since they must have cleaned it)

At any rate, I believe the very simplest explanation is she was involved. To believe otherwise is too much of a stretch. I say guilty and extradite her. Don't play if you can't pay.

14 posted on 04/30/2014 8:43:44 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Scoutmaster

Italy: great food, lovely buildings, stunning art.

And socially a complete cluster.


15 posted on 04/30/2014 8:44:15 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: LongWayHome

Why would she have left DNA at all? What form? Spit? Blood? What are the odds that any other kid in Europe, Asai, or here on a foreign education year abroad would be involved in the brutal murder of a roommate? A zillion to one. Guilty. You’re wrong.


16 posted on 04/30/2014 8:47:45 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: avenir
I’ve heard much ABOUT this case, but find it bizarre. What is the lowdown? Did Knox likely commit murder, or is she being setup? Italian courts don’t seem trustworthy, lol.

This is now a third new theory, supported by no evidence, by a kangaroo court in Italy. I followed it for a while back when... And I just don't see any compelling evidence at all that leads me to a guilty finding. I don't think she did it.

17 posted on 04/30/2014 8:51:52 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Doc Savage

Sure....a suburban college kid with no history of violence gets involved in there-way sex with a jobless criminal from Africa & hacks her roommate to death.


18 posted on 04/30/2014 8:51:59 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Doc Savage

Huh? So a roommate is -always- guilty?


19 posted on 04/30/2014 8:54:19 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
But in this case I say "send her back".

Since she was previously found "not guilty", extraditing her would subject her to double jeopardy, which is why I think US judges will likely say no.

20 posted on 04/30/2014 8:57:31 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: The KG9 Kid; heartwood; Ramius

Thanks!


21 posted on 04/30/2014 8:57:44 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: LongWayHome

I think much of the sex games and drug use and partying existed mostly in the mind of the overzealous prosecutor— a lunatic in his own right with a long history of prosecutorial misconduct. He’s been in it for the headlines from the beginning.


22 posted on 04/30/2014 8:59:29 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

What are talking about ? Do you know anything about this case. This is the third new theory the Italian courts are using against this girl. There was no clean-up. The African killer, who is now in jail, had his blood everywhere. If she was involved in sex=-lay. or anything....her DNA would be there. This idiot court said she cleaned up her own DNA.


23 posted on 04/30/2014 8:59:37 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Ramius

It’s the odds. If there were 50 murders in similar circumstances I might be inclined to give her the benefit of the situation. But no. Guilty and involved. No way she wasn’t involved.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 9:00:16 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: LongWayHome

It’s the odds. They are against her innocence. If you believe otherwise so be it.


25 posted on 04/30/2014 9:02:13 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Scoutmaster

Not that I needed a reason not to move to Italy.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 9:02:39 AM PDT by anton
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To: Ramius

People need to read up on the case to see what this nut-job court did to this girl......The prosecutor was/is insane.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 9:02:50 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: maddogtiger

I’ve given up on contacting my Representative and Senators weekly. I now do it only twice a month.


28 posted on 04/30/2014 9:06:51 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: allendale

> She had better keep her appeals going and never step foot outside the United States.

Agreed on never leaving the USA.
Our laws prohibit double jeopardy.


29 posted on 04/30/2014 9:14:47 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: Scoutmaster

The Italian legal system also prosecuted a bunch of seismologists for their failures at predicting the future.

Amanda Knox deserves better than to be left at threat by the superstitious Italian ‘legal’ system that allows people to be prosecuted over and over for the same crime no matter how flimsy the evidence.


30 posted on 04/30/2014 9:14:49 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Since she was previously found "not guilty", extraditing her would subject her to double jeopardy, which is why I think US judges will likely say no.

I don't know about you but I've done a certain amount of traveling in my day.Countries as civilized as Canada,Britain,Germany,Australia and Japan among others.I've also visited countries as *un* civilized as Vietnam (as a tourist,not a soldier),Indonesia,Tanzania and China..among others.When entering each of those countries (civilized or not) I knew that I was subject to *their* police,*their* courts,*their* judges,*their* laws...for better or for worse.The same is true for foreigners coming here.Do you think that Canadians or Mexicans who commit wanton murders in Texas should be exempt from the death penalty simply because *their* home countries don't have the DP and oppose other countries having it? No,I didn't think so.Neither do I.

31 posted on 04/30/2014 9:15:50 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: LongWayHome
This is the third new theory the Italian courts are using against this girl. There was no clean-up. The African killer, who is now in jail, had his blood everywhere. If she was involved in sex=-lay. or anything....her DNA would be there. This idiot court said she cleaned up her own DNA.

I read extensively about this case when she was acquitted. It was clear the prosecutors for some reason wanted her railroaded (likely b/c she is an American)

If this crime occurred in America, I am certain Knox, after a careful forensic analysis, would have been exonerated.

For the court to say she "cleaned" up her own DNA is laughable.

32 posted on 04/30/2014 9:16:34 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: LongWayHome
Not to mention he used the toilet and didn't flush - leaving behind a treasure trove (ewwww) of DNA. His guilt in this is as undeniable as the impossibility of Amanda Knox being able to 'clean' only her DNA from the scene while leaving blood and Guede's DNA, intact.

The Italian prosecutor has a sordid history with making up ludicrous fantasies and presenting them to the court as fact. He only stays in his position because of Italy's notorious practice of public office nepotism.

33 posted on 04/30/2014 9:16:55 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You might want to read the case before you send this kid to her imprisonment. This case is a joke.


34 posted on 04/30/2014 9:19:17 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: anton
Not that I needed a reason not to move to Italy.

Italy is beautiful beyond words.I'm convinced that I was an Italian in a previous life.I'd love to live in Italy for part of the year (but not July...outrageous heat and humidity) and will very probably do so at least for a while.And while there I'll make sure that I never get within a hundred miles of any serious crime,just as I've always done for my entire life...both at home and abroad.

35 posted on 04/30/2014 9:21:59 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: sand88

Aside from the lack of any real forensic evidence the thought that this suburban kid is going to hook-up for 3-way sex with a jobless criminal from Africa & her BF & then hack her roommate to death is laughable.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 9:23:27 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome
This idiot court said she cleaned up her own DNA.

A student and part-time waitress figured out how to mastermind the perfect murder in which she "cleaned up" any evidence of "her part in the murder." Yeah right.

They have the guy who actually did it. This is crazy.

37 posted on 04/30/2014 9:23:36 AM PDT by Slyfox (When progressives ignore moral parameters, they also lose the natural gift of common sense.)
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To: Scoutmaster
In a sane world, there's no way she would ever be extradited. The Italian "case" is a mess. Their process has been farce.

But we're in the Obama-zone now, so who knows?

38 posted on 04/30/2014 9:25:02 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
When entering each of those countries (civilized or not) I knew that I was subject to *their* police,*their* courts,*their* judges,*their* laws...for better or for worse.The same is true for foreigners coming here.Do you think that Canadians or Mexicans who commit wanton murders in Texas should be exempt from the death penalty simply because *their* home countries don't have the DP and oppose other countries having it? No,I didn't think so.Neither do I.

And, guess what? Countries without death penalties ROUTINELY demand that the death penalty be taken off the table before they will comply with an extradition request for one of their citizens to the US.

If they can make their laws govern whether one of their nationals gets extradited here, then WE can apply the same principle when extraditing one of our citizens would cause her to be subject to double jeopardy, or when some Muslim country wants one of our citizens so they can execute him for "insulting Islam".

39 posted on 04/30/2014 9:25:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: liberalh8ter

I agree. We are now on the third theory of how this girl masterminded this slaughter. I think it’s obvious that they are just making stuff up at this point.


40 posted on 04/30/2014 9:26:18 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: mojito
Italy: great food, lovely buildings, stunning art.

And socially a complete cluster.

That reminds me of a joke I heard when over in Germany with the AF:

The difference between Heaven and Hell--

In Heaven, the police are British, the mechanics are German, the chefs are French, the lovers are Italian, and it's all organized by the Swiss.

In Hell, the police are German, the mechanics are French, the chefs are British, the lovers are Swiss, and it's all organized by the Italians.

41 posted on 04/30/2014 9:26:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: LongWayHome
I think it’s obvious that they are just making stuff up at this point.

I couldn't agree more. Their "evidence" gets more bizarre with each iteration.

42 posted on 04/30/2014 9:28:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA

She’s lucky she got out of there. I shudder to think that we would turn her over to this witch hunt.


43 posted on 04/30/2014 9:31:02 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: avenir
What is the lowdown?

I don't know where to start.

Apparently everyone outside of the USA (except for a midwife in Tonga and a Botswanan named Nǃxau) believe Knox is guilty.

In the USA, there are websites, movements, legal defense groups, forensics experts, blogs, activists, and dog breeds devoted to proving Knox's innocence. When you read them, you are convinced Knox is innocent.

There are also USA websites, movements, legal groups, forensics experts, blogs, activists, and dog breeds devoted to showing Knox is guilty. When you read them, you are convinced Knox is guilty.

Knox lied. The Italian police lied. The Italian 'justice' system doesn't appear to have anything to do with justice, and prosecutors and judges have changed the legal theories of the crime and Knox's participation in it more often that I change socks. To Americans, the Italian system appears to include multiple bites at the apple by prosecutors.

A man, who was a friend of Knox's, has admitted his guilt, but (a) doing so gave him a reduced sentence and (b) he never claimed to be the sole person involved.

The police lies are plentiful. As for one Knox lie, she repeats the story about an hours-long, intimidating interrogation in a language she didn't know, before a 'forced' confession. However, dates and times show she received a translator within 30 minutes, and signed the confession within 90 minutes. Her interrogation to confession story is a lie.

Italian DNA experts weren't the quality of US DNA experts, and US DNA experts disagree.

Don't even get into the arguments over the alleged footprint of Knox in her roomie's blood near the front door. We'll need to talk about the fruit juice theory, what luminol fluoresces besides blood, whether Knox's USA forensics expert's DNA tests that conclude 'no blood' are correct, or other DNA experts are correct in saying Knox's DNA experts used method that didn't account for dilution of DNA through luminol, and more sensitive tests that show blood.

We need to address the confessed murder's previous crime using means of entry similar to means of entry into Knox's apartment, plus another crime in which he possessed knife similar to one of the knives used to murder Knox's roommate.

Yeah, it's complicated.

44 posted on 04/30/2014 9:33:25 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: angcat

Yes, American Beauty. The stress of this ordeal took a toll on her beauty but still hot.

45 posted on 04/30/2014 9:38:15 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Scoutmaster

The Italians are making this up as they go along.....common sense is all you need to figure out what happened in this case.


46 posted on 04/30/2014 9:38:31 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: PapaBear3625
And, guess what? Countries without death penalties ROUTINELY demand that the death penalty be taken off the table before they will comply with an extradition request for one of their citizens to the US.

Yes,I'm fully aware of that and oppose that position vigorously...particularly with Canada and Mexico.If it were up to me my attitude with those two countries would be "no deal,if you adore our murderers so much you can keep them".With such a policy in place those two countries would come to their senses very quickly.

If they can make their laws govern whether one of their nationals gets extradited here, then WE can apply the same principle...

Of course we can.As I've suggested,I'd *never* extradite anyone,of any nationality,to Germany for the crime of "denying the Holocaust" because it's a silly law.I'd also never extradite anyone,of *any* nationality,to China because their legal system is a total fraud.But this is murder,not denying the Holocaust....and it's Italy,a civilized country,and not Bangladesh.

And BTW...this girl can appeal her case not only to the Italian courts but to the European Court of Justice...a court made up of judges that make Supreme Court Justice Quotamayor look positively medieval by comparison.

47 posted on 04/30/2014 9:43:07 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Scoutmaster

Wow! Thanks for that roller coaster ride through the case.


48 posted on 04/30/2014 9:58:19 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Doc Savage

Well, I, for one, am glad we base our murder convictions on guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and not your idea of “the odds”. Looking at the odds of someone’s involvement may be a good way to narrow down a list of suspects, but if the evidence isn’t there, you don’t continue on and convict someone based on that standard.


49 posted on 04/30/2014 10:03:06 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Italy is beautiful beyond words.”

I’ve been to Italy and the camera came out often to capture some beautiful views. But, I had to hold my nose often too. And, the Italians are surly and lazy. And, everything there is utterly corrupt. And, the beauty of Italy is no grander than one can easily find in Carmel CA, Santa Fe, or the Napa Valley, or many other places in the US with similar climate.

The most beautiful Italian city, Venice, made me want to take a shower every 30 minutes with the smells and disgustingly filthy water everywhere. As for crime, being a hundred miles from any serious crime will put you in Switzerland.

Reconsider.


50 posted on 04/30/2014 10:09:50 AM PDT by anton
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