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Police: Montana Man Laid Trap, Killed Teen
Newser ^ | 4/30/14 | Matt Cantor

Posted on 04/30/2014 10:01:39 AM PDT by Impala64ssa

A Montana couple frustrated by recent thefts allegedly set a trap for potential burglars—and upon hearing a would-be intruder after midnight on Sunday, the husband fired four shots into the darkness, he says. Now, Markus Kaarma of Missoula has been charged in the death of German exchange student Diren Dede, 17, who was hit by bullets in the head and arm, the AP reports. The couple had set up sensors and cameras around their garage, whose door they left open; Kaarma's wife, Janelle Pflager, left her purse there "so they would take it," she said, per court documents. She reportedly told police the couple had been robbed twice in three weeks.

Documents say Kaarma, 29, told a hairstylist last Wednesday that he'd been waiting three days for another burglary, shotgun at the ready, the Washington Post reports. "I’m just waiting to shoot some [obscenity] kid," he allegedly told the stylist at Great Clips, which ended up calling police over his profane language and unruly behavior, Raw Story reports. Kaarma was yesterday charged with one count of felony deliberate homicide; it's unclear why Diren was in the garage. Billings, Mont., saw a similar shooting hours before Missoula's: A homeowner shot a seminary student described as a "house guest" who was making a call in the garage. The student is expected to survive.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Montana
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Kaarma, interesting name in this case. Though, he should've set the trap and kept his mouth shut. I say the Kaarmas should sue the parents of this "student" for emotional stress. If Kaarma is convicted, does this mean that posting "no trespassing" signs constitute premeditation?
1 posted on 04/30/2014 10:01:39 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa
it's unclear why Diren was in the garage

Allow me to explain. He was a thief.
2 posted on 04/30/2014 10:03:48 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Impala64ssa

these charges are crazy


3 posted on 04/30/2014 10:03:58 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Impala64ssa

The criminals are now in charge of society - literally.


4 posted on 04/30/2014 10:04:20 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Impala64ssa

German, huh? Yeah, RIGHT.


5 posted on 04/30/2014 10:04:33 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Impala64ssa

“kept his mouth shut”

Yep. Just stick with. “I went into the garage and there was an intruder.”


6 posted on 04/30/2014 10:05:37 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Impala64ssa

By saying exchange student the writer implies that the shooter shot someone who lives in his home. But that’s not the case.

So what was the exchange student looking to exchange in someone else’s garage.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 10:07:34 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Jewbacca

Yep. Just stick with. “I went into the garage and there was an intruder.”


Sadly, people don’t really think this stuff through until it’s too late.

If you set a trap, you’re guilty. Or, more precisely, if they can prove in a court of law that you set a trap...


8 posted on 04/30/2014 10:07:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: andyk

He was, but you still shouldn’t be laying traps for people. That has virtually always been forbidden, in any law.


9 posted on 04/30/2014 10:08:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: Impala64ssa

He's a Turkish invader of Germany.

These are the people who deal drugs, shoplift, apply for all manner of public benefits, and then say thanks by beating up your blond kid if he has committed the horrible crime of not being a Muslim.

These are the people who stabbed Theo Van Goeghe in the heart --literally (after shooting him five times on his bicycle).

10 posted on 04/30/2014 10:08:15 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Impala64ssa
So he waited with a shotgun, and the thief was "hit by bullets"? Great piece of journalism there!

Today's media a-holes are beyond being embarrassed by their own stupidity.

11 posted on 04/30/2014 10:08:18 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Impala64ssa

buying a gun for home defense is premeditation?

Is this the same court that gave a child molester 30 days?


12 posted on 04/30/2014 10:09:47 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cuban leaf

Running his mouth at the hairdresser isn’t a good idea either.


13 posted on 04/30/2014 10:09:49 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: livius

Yet they use bait cars all the time


14 posted on 04/30/2014 10:09:50 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom…)
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To: Jewbacca

I don’t know. If I was a burglar, I’d be thinking twice now about robbing a place. The citizens are up in arms now, and laying in wait. What burglar is going to want to chance getting blown away by an armed citizenry. So they may go to jail. Dead is still dead, and the burglar will be dead even if the victim ends up in jail. Now, let me see, dead vs. jail. I’d rather not be dead.


15 posted on 04/30/2014 10:10:48 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Impala64ssa
The dead perp


16 posted on 04/30/2014 10:11:30 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Impala64ssa

I’m trying to muster up some sympathy for the deceased here, but it’s just not working. In fact this stupid grin seems to be all I’m capable of.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 10:11:44 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "transparent.")
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To: cuban leaf

do you own a gun? do you plan to stop any home invasion with it? If yes - you have set a trap


18 posted on 04/30/2014 10:11:53 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Impala64ssa
The self appointed executioner


19 posted on 04/30/2014 10:12:00 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Impala64ssa

Horse pucky. They deliberately set up an entire situation for the express purpose of luring and killing another person. Hang the bastard. This is not self defense or even defense of property. This kind of lunacy does great harm to the cause of those of us who are trying to preserve and defend the second amendment.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 10:12:45 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: andyk

Exactly. Liberals seem to have trouble understanding the difference criminal and victim so they prosecute the victim, and they do it regularly and viciously. Here’s another guy who just got life in prison because he had the audacity not to be a victim for the 4th time. His house was burglarized 3 times before and the fascists claim he did not use “reasonable” force which to them I assume means waiting until the burglar shoots you several times.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/minnesota-homeowner-kills-teens/8480047/


21 posted on 04/30/2014 10:16:19 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Impala64ssa
whose door they left open

My garage door is open right now. If someone comes in and I defend myself, did I set a trap?

22 posted on 04/30/2014 10:19:52 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Impala64ssa
Separate AP story on the incident.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/teen-shot-killed-mans-garage-germany-23500791

Kaarma went outside with his shotgun. He told investigators he heard a noise that sounded like metal on metal, and he was afraid the intruder would come out and hurt him. He said he did not see anyone in the darkened garage and did not communicate with anyone before sweeping the garage with four shotgun blasts. Dede was struck in the head and arm and died at a Missoula hospital, court records said. Kaarma said he didn't want the suspect to get away and added that police can't catch burglars in the act, the affidavit filed Monday said

Hard to claim you felt threatened when you can't even see the intruder. Just like the guy in Minnesota it looks like a fed up homeowner is going to be convicted because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

23 posted on 04/30/2014 10:20:25 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Impala64ssa

What were the lyrics to the Baretta theme song...what were they...if I could only remember.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 10:22:52 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Impala64ssa
In the wake of Missoula shooting, Rep. Ellie Hill moves to revise castle doctrine

More details of Missoula fatal shooting case come out in court

Police will not release information on what another boy who was also there, and ran away when Kaarma appeared, told them about the incident.

25 posted on 04/30/2014 10:24:33 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
He said he did not see anyone in the darkened garage and did not communicate with anyone before sweeping the garage with four shotgun blasts.

I guess he forgot what he learned in his gun training classes.

26 posted on 04/30/2014 10:25:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: GeronL

Only if you own the home and gun with the express purpose of catching someone and shooting them.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 10:27:13 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: GeronL

do you own a gun? do you plan to stop any home invasion with it? If yes - you have set a trap

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But see - Kaarma didn’t have a plan to stop a home invasion, he had a plan to kill a burglar.

That’s why he is going to jail.


28 posted on 04/30/2014 10:29:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Impala64ssa
Now the plot thickens. This just in, the German gov't is sending officials to Montana to intervene appease their muzziespopulation.
29 posted on 04/30/2014 10:30:05 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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"I’m just waiting to shoot some [obscenity] kid," he allegedly told the stylist at Great Clips

Between this and his admission of not seeing anyone and just firing randomly, he's going to jail.

Both him and that Minnesota man are total idiots, though that guy setting up the decisive piece of evidence against him (audio recording) still takes the cake.

30 posted on 04/30/2014 10:34:33 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: andyk
Suspect in Big Sky student's shooting gets death threats

Markus Kaarma, the man accused of shooting and killing a 17-year-old foreign exchange student in his Missoula garage, is receiving death threats and fears leaving his home, defense attorney Paul Ryan said Tuesday.

Kaarma, 29, posted $30,000 bond Monday afternoon and was released from the Missoula County jail after making his initial appearance in Missoula County Justice Court.

He faces a felony charge of deliberate homicide for the death of Diren Dede, a German exchange student who was studying at Big Sky High School.

Since returning to his Grant Creek home, Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager have received anonymous death threats on Facebook, Ryan said. International media and curious locals alike have been hounding the couple, making them fearful to leave the house.

“They didn’t sleep at all last night,” Ryan said. “They are trapped in their house now.”

Ryan said he has also been bombarded by national and international news outlets demanding information regarding the incident since news of the shooting broke in Europe.

Dede’s shooting has perplexed the German public, who live under much more stringent gun laws than the United States, explained Frank Herrmann, the Washington, D.C., correspondent for the Rheinische Post.

“There are a lot of things that Germans really like about the U.S.,” Hermann said. “But there are a few things they simply don’t understand.”

Germans aren’t familiar with the concept of private gun ownership, and the frequency of shootings in the United States – alongside more lenient gun laws – baffle the German media, Hermann said. Few Germans own guns for self-defense.

Studying abroad for a year during high school is a very popular thing to do with German youth, but now parents may think twice about sending their children to the United States for an exchange, Hermann said Tuesday.

“It has a very chilling effect,” he said. “The fact that a student from Hamburg was shot – that brings it home.”

Prosecutors allege Kaarma and his common-law wife baited his garage to attract burglars who had reportedly stolen items from the home several times in the past couple of weeks. The couple set up a baby monitor with a live feed and installed motion sensors in the garage. They also left the garage door open about 5 1/2 feet, the charging document said. Pflager told police she also placed a purse in the garage, and catalogued its contents.

Ryan said the couple had just gotten out of the hot tub and were watching a movie on the couch when they heard a sensor alert – indicating someone was in their garage. Kaarma allegedly grabbed a shotgun and exited the front door to confront the intruder. He then entered the garage through the open door and fired his shotgun four times into the darkness.

Two of those bullets hit and killed Diren Dede, a junior at Big Sky High School, who was standing in the garage. It’s unclear why Dede, who was unarmed, was in the garage. Police will not release information on what another boy who was also there, and ran away when Kaarma appeared, told them about the incident.

Pflager allegedly told police that Kaarma said “hey, hey” before he loaded a shell into the gun’s chamber. She said Dede yelled “hey” or “wait” before the shotgun fired. The boy was dead on arrival at St. Patrick Hospital.

Kaarma told police after the incident he was afraid the intruder had a knife or a tool from the garage, but couldn’t be certain because it was pitch-black inside.

“He stated he thought he was going to die and that the guy would try to get out of the garage and described thinking he could act like a caged animal,” the affidavit stated.

Kaarma allegedly told his hair stylist several days before Sunday’s incident that he had been waiting up for three nights with his shotgun “to shoot some (expletive) kid.” The stylist spoke with authorities after hearing of the shooting.

According to the charging document, the woman said “the defendant was extremely vulgar and belligerent. She asked the defendant to quit swearing and he said he could say ‘whatever the (expletive)’ he wanted.”

Ryan plans to fight the murder charge in Missoula County District Court using Montana’s “castle doctrine” as a defense.

The castle doctrine states that when a forcible felony occurs within a home, the resident of that home has a right to defend himself using a firearm. However, it also states that a person who decides to use that force must believe they are at risk of serious bodily injury or death.

Kaarma, who works as a firefighter for the U.S. Forest Service, is a family man who was justifiably concerned about the well-being of his 10-month-old son, Ryan said Tuesday.

He believes the picture of his client painted by the prosecutor’s affidavit is inaccurate.

Kaarma was frustrated by the burglaries that occurred in the weeks before, and perhaps vented to his hair stylist about the situation, Ryan explained.

But he rebuts the idea that Kaarma was baiting the teenagers to enter the garage – adamantly denying the idea that Kaarma was waiting up for nights on end to catch the burglars.

He said Kaarma and Pflager both smoke in the garage and consistently leave the garage door half open. The door was open each time they had been robbed in the past, he said.

Still, Ryan said Kaarma and Pflager both feel terrible about Dede’s tragic death.

“It’s just disheartening,” he said “I wish I could just fix it.”


> Markus Kaarma, Janelle Pflager and their son.


Diren Dede, right, plays in a Big Sky soccer game against Hellgate last fall. Coach Jay Bostrom said Dede’s favorite team back home in Hamburg was the perennial underdog St. Pauli.

31 posted on 04/30/2014 10:35:50 AM PDT by csvset
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An intruder killed by bullets from a shotgun? Must be one hell of a shotgun.

Or a moron writing the article. Tough to know which is correct.

32 posted on 04/30/2014 10:37:08 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says “shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: Impala64ssa

A man’s home is his castle. You invade his castle, you pay the price. Good shoot.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 10:39:12 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: cuban leaf
"If you set a trap, you’re guilty."

Not really. Cops set traps all the time. Every "sting" operation is a trap, bait cars, fake prostitutes, real drugs, on and on. And this is just the officially endorsed tactics. We all know what sort of tactics they utilize unofficially.

34 posted on 04/30/2014 10:42:33 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Onelifetogive

Not enough information to answer. What’s your intent?


35 posted on 04/30/2014 10:45:28 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Impala64ssa

This might be good for Kaarma. What affect will some foreign gov official running his mouth about Americans and guns have on a Montana jury pool.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 10:46:58 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Impala64ssa

It seems that the cops never manage to catch the perps on these burglaries. In this case and the one in Minnesota. The guy in Minnesota had a shotgun stolen. How much effort do Barney Fife and the boys make towards catching these bastards?


37 posted on 04/30/2014 10:47:57 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

Damn. He should have sent her in after him.


38 posted on 04/30/2014 10:48:15 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Uncle Chip

Oh come on, now. He was just following Joe Biden’s instructions.

If you can’t trust the vice-president of the United States to give good advice, who CAN you trust?

;-)


39 posted on 04/30/2014 10:49:44 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Impala64ssa

If Kaarma is convicted, does this mean that posting “no trespassing” signs constitute premeditation?”””

IF so, I know a whole lot of ranchers & farmers who are in trouble.


40 posted on 04/30/2014 10:51:04 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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Yes, but they don’t legally set traps to KILL PEOPLE.

That is the big difference here. If you are going to do a citizens arrest, I don’t think there is as much of a problem. Maybe no problem at all, actually.


41 posted on 04/30/2014 10:51:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Impala64ssa
Granted this fellow is going to go away for a long time if not sit on death row. This was clearly a bad shoot with plenty of self incrimination.

One has to realize Missoula Montana is nowadays rather like Austin Texas, a bastion of liberal “values” flowing from the U of M. The U of M seems to recruit students from the Middle East, usually Saudi Arabia, probably to subsidize programs and salaries. That brings Muslims values along with it. The problems arise when Muslim students deal with the local “Dhimmi” namely its not acceptable to collect jizya on your own or rape Dhimmi women at will.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/msu-foreign-student-charged-with-raping—year-old-bozeman/article_69493150-1c85-11e2-a64e-001a4bcf887a.html

Read the comments especially those by JSRMinMissoula. He chronicles the problems better than what the local rag does. The apologists for errant Muslim behavior are all over him “Don't stereotype, its just a few” etc.

42 posted on 04/30/2014 10:54:17 AM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: DannyTN

A good kid. Just turning his life around. An aspiring...uh...soccer player...


43 posted on 04/30/2014 10:57:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: moehoward
. Cops set traps all the time. Every "sting" operation is a trap, bait cars, fake prostitutes, real drugs, on and on. And this is just the officially endorsed tactics.
I remember back in the 70's, a policewoman, who became one of the most highly decorated women in the NYPD, nicknamed "Muggable Mary". She would dress up as a homeless "bag lady", nun, junkie, etc to look vulnerable to any would-be muggers. The ACLU tried to file suit against the NYPD on the grounds that "a mugger should know who he's mugging" Thankfully, the ACLU was told to "take a hike".
44 posted on 04/30/2014 10:58:45 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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Documents say Kaarma, 29, told a hairstylist last Wednesday that he'd been waiting three days for another burglary, shotgun at the ready

If he camouflaged himself, does that make him a Kaarma chameleon?

45 posted on 04/30/2014 11:00:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Nik Naym

Thin ice. So you are saying I cannot leave my garage door open and leave things lying around on my property?


46 posted on 04/30/2014 11:01:57 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Polynikes

A small correction. The shootee Diren Dede was a high school exchange student not a university student. The rest of the post stands.


47 posted on 04/30/2014 11:04:40 AM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Liberals will always side with the evil over the righteous, the criminal over the victim.

IMO, it’s the POLICE that should have been setting an arrest trap after 3 burglaries.

I don’t blame the victim of the burglaries for finally wanting something done about it and taking it into his own hands. Perhaps he should have handled it differently, but when the authorities show no interest in protecting life and property, you have no choice but to act on your own.


48 posted on 04/30/2014 11:05:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Impala64ssa
The only bad shooting this guy did was shooting his mouth off.
49 posted on 04/30/2014 11:06:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Lazamataz

BOO! BOO!

50 posted on 04/30/2014 11:07:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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