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Bundy Ranch Speaker Warns Of 'Civil War On A Vast Scale,' Promises Harry Reid....
Right Wing Watch ^ | April 30, 2014

Posted on 04/30/2014 7:44:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In a speech to the militia members still gathered at Cliven Bundy’s ranch in Nevada last week, Mike Vanderboegh, leader of the militia group Three Percenters, warned that the country is “staring a civil war in its bloody face.”

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

Vanderboegh’s Three Percenters group, named after the number of American colonists they believe fought against the British in the revolutionary war, was listed in a recent Oath Keepers press release as a stalwart of the standoff at the Bundy ranch. Vandeboegh, who wrote a novel that allegedly inspired a domestic terrorist plot in 2011, is also known for his role in pushing the “Fast and Furious” scandal.

“All over this country, we are still staring civil war in its bloody face,” Vanderboegh warned the crowd, in a video posted by Tom Lacovara, the host of an anti-government radio show.

Vanderboegh claimed that Sen. Harry Reid, who has criticized the Bundy ranch militias, “is promising us all civil war on a vast scale, because state-sponsored violence is they only way they can win an argument with free people, especially free people who are armed and who are willing to use those arms in defense of liberty.”

Vanderboegh then told the legend of an Alabama woman named Jenny Brooks whose husband and son, according to Vanderboegh's version of the story, were killed by state law enforcement collecting taxes for the Confederate government. According to the tale, Brooks went after the men who had killed her family, killed two of them in return, and turned one of their skulls into a soap dish.

Vanderboegh then pulled out a skull and declared that he would present it to Reid as the “2014 Award for Incitement to Civil War.”

He added: “Don’t poke the wolverine with a sharp stick, Harry, unless you want your balls ripped off.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bunkerville; harryreid; militia
Grain of salt time chil'uns.
1 posted on 04/30/2014 7:44:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But you know that the folks over on DU are saying that one and all conservatives believe exactly what this guy said.

They are wrong but they will tell that lie to try and maintain their fantasy of the right.

The other thing they are wrong about is that the right is not watching this situation. We are. This situation should have been left to the local sheriff. There is not way in hell that every government agency needs their own well armed military force.

Could it be that they are trying to force their own wishes on us?? Could it be that they really want an armed conflict with the conservative and libertarians in our nation?

I actually think they do.

The only thing I can tell them is be careful what you wish for because it seldom goes the way you think it will. No one or side will win an armed conflict between the people of our nation. It will touch and harm every one of us if it happens.

It will never turn into a force on force war. It will be decades of unconventional warfare where they will take your steady food source, water supply, and electrical power. Most of all you will have to give up your freedoms so they have the power to pursue the bad guys. Which of course will just create more bad guys.

Most of the firearms are in the hands of the conservatives. Most of our military come from the red areas of our nation. The food water and power all originate there as well.

All of these things are food for thought that should be considered before you push others to violence.

2 posted on 04/30/2014 7:59:35 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Citizen.)
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To: oldenuff2no

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


3 posted on 04/30/2014 8:02:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: oldenuff2no

At some point the line must be drawn...


4 posted on 04/30/2014 8:02:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That was probably a little less cordial than Harry is used to....


5 posted on 04/30/2014 8:05:37 PM PDT by ALASKA (Disgusted.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the government purchased all that ammo for what reason?


6 posted on 04/30/2014 8:06:32 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Grain of salt time chil'uns.

True.

But it is telling that this was done in Reid's face (so to speak). Throwing down the gauntlet.

I think the Bundy "incident" illustrates that the Feds are deliberately getting more heavy handed because they sense an increasingly restive segment of the populace. How large the segment and how restive is open to interpretation. But the point is that the feds believe it is serious and their response is to [illegally] come down like a ton of bricks. IMO, with the goal of making an example of Bundy to intimidate other potential dissidents.

There is some escalation occurring on both sides, we will have to wait & see just how much and where it goes.

7 posted on 04/30/2014 8:06:44 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: oldenuff2no

You are so right....

It will an absolute mess on so many different levels.... food, water, power, no work, economic bust, etc. etc....


8 posted on 04/30/2014 8:09:55 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I took a look at you link and promptly did not read it..

There will never be a force on force conflict. That is a liberal dream. The full force of the US military will never be used on our citizens either. The troops simply won't do it.

A handgun gets you a rifle. The rifle gets you a truck load of fertilizer. The truck load of fertilizer takes down an electrical tower, or takes out a rail bridge or a waterway or pipe that carries drinking water to a large city. Then everyone goes home and waits for the next opportunity. This force on force fantasy will hot happen. Unconventional warfare could happen and could succeed in causing massive disruption of our culture and day to day life.

The goal of this type of warfare is to create disruption food fuel and water and to create fear. We have been teaching it and utilizing it around the world for decades. If you don't believe it can happen here you are delusional. And yes it would not take a very large portion of our population to make it work.

9 posted on 04/30/2014 8:25:55 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired US ARMY Ranger.)
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To: oldenuff2no

Two idiots with an AR-15 and an old Chevrolet had the nation’s capitol freaked out for weeks. Has everyone forgotten that?


10 posted on 04/30/2014 8:29:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The Bundys are law breakers. So says the political party
in power. But millions of illegal immigrants are also
breaking the law and those in power are determined to
pick and choose which laws they will enforce. The masses
can not and will not let that situation stand indefinitely.
If things don't change within the next couple of election
cycles I fear for the republic.
11 posted on 04/30/2014 8:38:45 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s been decades that the government, BLM, FS, EPA, have been stealing land from rural Americans without much response from Republicans or even conservatives. Out of sight, out of mind. The Sagebrush Rebellion need renewing.


12 posted on 04/30/2014 8:46:25 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: oldenuff2no

Why would we want to take down an electrical tower, a rail bridge or a waterway or pipe that carries drinking water to a large city? This is OUR land. There’s no reason for us to destroy it. We can block the highways into DC, stopping the federal workers from getting to their government offices.

Myself, I think it would be a better idea if we sent our wives up to talk with the legislators wives. A half dozen ladies sitting at a kitchen table drinking coffee can quickly decide what to do to make their husbands come around to their way of thinking.

I’ll bet you a beer that the kids won’t miss a day of school and the ladies will enjoy straightening their husbands heads on just what makes America tick. No, it is not G-men armed with the latest and greatest black, scary assault rifles.


13 posted on 04/30/2014 8:46:47 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Paladin2

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14 posted on 04/30/2014 8:48:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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15 posted on 04/30/2014 8:50:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? ;-)
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To: JimSEA

16 posted on 04/30/2014 8:54:34 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: oldenuff2no

You’re right,

it would be really really Bad,,,
and missing my TV show is going to be bad too.

That soap dish skull thing,
just to icky !


17 posted on 04/30/2014 9:05:22 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: B4Ranch
Great joke. We have a history of this all over the world. We know that words and words alone have solved each and every internal and external conflict all over the world.

This has happened when????

Never!!!!!!!!

18 posted on 04/30/2014 9:09:19 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired US ARMY Ranger.)
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To: oldenuff2no

If we must there is always the option of sending a 7mm Mag through the legislators front door. The ensuing conversation with the Mrs will guarantee some new opinions at the sub committee conference table. Perhaps even a few resignations.

Our legislators will not get off scot free if there is a shoot out. If their decisions endanger our families, those same decisions will also endanger their own families.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 9:16:51 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: oldenuff2no

Can you name another internal conflict in which the people were armed as well as the American people are armed?


20 posted on 04/30/2014 9:18:42 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch
Can you name another internal conflict in which the people were armed as well as the American people are armed?

Many. With more modern fully automatic weapons supplied by our nation or the Russians or the Chinese.

Is it that you really believe that our nation is immune to what happens all over the world every day or is it that you just love the roll of the troll starting crap.

Maybe we should have a poll on that like your used to over at DU.

Armed conflict is what it is and past conflicts are called history. A little reading would go a long ways towards solving your knowledge dilemma.

Or you could get off your backside, raise you hand, take the oath, go through boot camp, years of additional training and then spend the next 23 years roaming the earth gaining some first hand knowledge. Or not.

On second thought we need to stop with the DU type polls for you.

21 posted on 04/30/2014 9:36:05 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired US ARMY Ranger.)
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To: oldenuff2no

“A handgun gets you a rifle. The rifle gets you a truck load of fertilizer. The truck load of fertilizer takes down an electrical tower, or takes out a rail bridge or a waterway or pipe that carries drinking water to a large city. Then everyone goes home and waits for the next opportunity. This force on force fantasy will hot happen. Unconventional warfare could happen and could succeed in causing massive disruption of our culture and day to day life.
The goal of this type of warfare is to create disruption food fuel and water and to create fear. We have been teaching it and utilizing it around the world for decades. If you don’t believe it can happen here you are delusional. And yes it would not take a very large portion of our population to make it work.”

The problem I see with this scenario is that leaves out the part where the other side takes action as well.

Sadly and like it or not there’s no real way to do anything in secret anymore.
I also think it’s delusional to think whoever blows up electrical towers is going to be supported by the general population once the power is out.

I don’t know what the answer is. I don’t believe armed action will have any real effect at all. The majority of the population just won’t do it and won’t support it if it disrupts any portion of their lives.

I remember early in the Iraq war when GWB encouraged Americans to go out and buy things and spend money and keep on with their everyday lives.

I don’t think most people today care a bit or even know the difference between democracy and socialism.
As long as the WiFi works. And if the WiFi stops working I don’t think they’ll blame the govt. They’ll blame who the media tells them to blame.

I also don’t have a lot of faith in the ballot box so who knows what happens next.


22 posted on 04/30/2014 9:44:38 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: B4Ranch
Our legislators will not get off scot free if there is a shoot out. If their decisions endanger our families, those same decisions will also endanger their own families.

This has been my point in all of this. It really does not matter who fires the first shot what matters is if that first shot is fired.

If some morons from what ever side push this to a shooting situation all Americans will loose. Anyone who thinks they can sit on the sidelines and won't be touched by that situation will be very surprised when things start going very wrong in their neighborhood and their city.

The difference between being a domestic terrorist or being a freedom fighter is all about what side you are on.

23 posted on 04/30/2014 9:46:37 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired US ARMY Ranger.)
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To: oldenuff2no
Could it be that they are trying to force their own wishes on us?? Could it be that they really want an armed conflict with the conservative and libertarians in our nation? I actually think they do.

The left absolutely does. They were really pissed that none of the Bundys or their supporters were shot during that standoff. Those people are sick...and always accusing us of being the "violent" ones. Whenever I hear that, my response is, "And how many shots were fired at Bundy Ranch? Zero?"

24 posted on 04/30/2014 10:06:59 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: snarkybob
I don’t think most people today care a bit or even know the difference between democracy and socialism.

You are wrong about this. Many, many people out there in the red states and counties know exactly what socialism is and are not prepared to live that way. It is the cities who tend to lean heavily toward the socialistic ideals. And in this we have the problem. This is also the dividing line between red America and blue America.

Blue America and Red America have very different cultures. That is simply a fact. Neither is too eager to give to the other or even to compromise on most issues.

A good example of this is what is going on in California right now with the separation movement that wants to establish the state of Jefferson. These are not idiots or violent gun threatening people they are people who effectively have no representation in the state government of California.

The vast majority of Ca voters live in the blue cities but the majority of land mass is occupied by the red voters. The city liberals have the votes to dictate each and every law to those who live in the vast red areas of the state. This is one culture dictating to another culture how they will live and it does not go down well at all.

Those people are fed up with not having a say in how they live and what the laws are. It is just that simple.

There is an arrogance from the cities that they love to believe and it goes along the lines that the people in the red areas can not survive without the cities, their knowledge and their ways.

There is a counter knowledge out there among the red counties that goes something like this. "We have yet to discover just how much a drop of water is worth." Reality is that the cities need the rest of the state far more than the rest of the state needs them. When the city folks finally figure this out it scares them, and it should.

25 posted on 04/30/2014 10:07:35 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired US ARMY Ranger.)
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To: oldenuff2no

“You are wrong about this. Many, many people out there in the red states and counties know exactly what socialism is and are not prepared to live that way. It is the cities who tend to lean heavily toward the socialistic ideals. And in this we have the problem. This is also the dividing line between red America and blue America.”

I agree that you can’t start start wholesale socialism especially in red areas.
I still don’t think they’ll support an armed uprising.

As for the separation movement there’s also one in western Maryland and one in Colorado.

I’m not expecting any of them to succeed.

This is a bit off topic since it’s an article about possible civil war, but the fact is money is going to get it’s way.

There may be more open space in the rural areas but there’s more people and more money in the cities.

You mentioned Californias separation movement. It’ll go the way of the Owens River.

As I said in my earlier post. I have no idea what the answer is. I don’t think the ballot box is going to do much more than tweak around the edges and I don’t think the ammo box will even do that much.

We’re too crowded, the corruption is too entrenched.
Our govt. doesn’t seem to look after the peoples interest anymore. Their lookout seems to be to the highest bidder.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 10:22:27 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob
You mentioned Californias separation movement. It’ll go the way of the Owens River.

I'll agree with you on two things. I don't think the separation of cali is going to happen and I have no idea what the answer is to all of this.

I also want to make one thing very clear. I do not want to see an armed conflict in our nation. Period. There are no ifs ands, buts, or exceptions in this statement. I believe anyone who says they want this is totally crazy.

I have been to war, several times. My biggest memories of the casualties are of the natives. I'm not just talking about those caught in the fire or bomb zones. I'm talking about the millions of refugees that are homeless and that no one wants or can feed. I'm talking about the hopeless who know that everything they know has been destroyed. I'm talking about the fear in the eyes of children because they are scared that they will be next.

Those are the memories that haunt me and probably will forever.

To be honest about my experiences I'm not sure I've ever been involved in a conflict that had a positive result.

I've always accomplished my missions but I'm not sure in my heart that in the end it had the result that was wanted.

All of that is above my pay grade but it is something I have put a lot of thought into and spent a lot of hours talking to my buddies about.

I learned many truths during those years but absolutely know that I did not learn all the answers.

27 posted on 04/30/2014 11:18:10 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired US ARMY Ranger.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

fl


28 posted on 04/30/2014 11:42:20 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: oldenuff2no

Thank you for the very well stated reply.

I agree armed conflict is to be avoided at all costs.


29 posted on 05/01/2014 12:44:02 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Look, I'm a Vanderboegh fan. But many times, he uses cringe-worthy hyperbole and outlandish stories to make a point. Do I think we should make soap dishes of BLM agents' skulls? Come on. Of course not. But I fully support the right of Bundy and the militias to defend themselves if fired upon by the BLM.

Mike Vanderboegh is essentially correct: the federal government uses force where it cannot make a rational argument. The federal government has become tyrannical and abusive toward Americans to were previously peaceable and law-abiding, but who now cannot afford to comply with the Feds' outrageous demands. And this is not just Cliven Bundy; it is happening in every state, to businesses across the land. The Feds help their friends, and punish businesses they consider their enemies.

And by the way--the 2011 "terrorist" event that is spoken of here has already been explained on Vanderboegh's blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. Vanderboegh did not "inspire" it so much as predict events like it.

30 posted on 05/01/2014 3:00:44 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bundy ping


31 posted on 05/01/2014 4:14:00 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: oldenuff2no
You lost ground by accusing me of being a DU troll. I served two tours in Nam and don't relish combat the way many Internet armchair commandos do.

There isn't a nation in the world that is armed as well as the American population is armed. That is what is keeping the three letter agencies and the progressive legislators from attacking us. They know that we can attack them and their families in their homes and offices, that they will never get a moments peace,

The last thing in the world they expected was an armed response from citizens of every age, representing the entire width of America. They know we, the freedom loving American voter, have spoken, even if we weren't on the front lines at the Bundy Ranch. We were the ones who helped pay the expenses needed to form that response. And we are not going to lay down and let them take away what our forefathers fought for, our individual liberty.

32 posted on 05/01/2014 5:59:02 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: JimSEA
It’s been decades that the government, BLM, FS, EPA, have been stealing land from rural Americans without much response from Republicans or even conservatives. Out of sight, out of mind.

Now there is the Internet and these things are now in sight and in mind, and the efforts of the MSM to hush it up are failing. To be sure, there is a substantial number of Americans who not only don't know anything, they don't suspect anything. They are hopeless. We must address our concerns to the other Americans and now, we can.

33 posted on 05/01/2014 6:35:34 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remember the one guy Dorn who had the entire LAPD hunkered down in a parking garage? The stazi is only tough when they are using overwhelming force agains’t a couple of unarmed crack heads.


34 posted on 05/01/2014 6:56:49 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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