Skip to comments.Politics and Religion: Do They Mix?
Posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:57 PM PDT by OneVike
Most people would agree that politics and religion are the two most likely topics that divide even the best of friends. Websters dictionary says that politics is the political opinions or sympathies of a person, while it says that religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. I dont see the difference between the two.
When I watch elected officials on the floor of the US Senate or House, I am reminded of an old friend of mine who pastors a church in Columbus, Georgia. He will flail his arms all around as he preaches his views on the Holy Scriptures. If your in agreement with their opinion, you could easily get engrossed as you listen to them share their deep-seated and fervent beliefs in such an animated way.
During the election season, we watch with anticipation as our chosen candidates addresses the issues. Like a congregation sitting in the pews of a church, the crowds long to hear something that will touch the part of their soul that yearned for truth. These yearnings differ...
I am also fed up with the preachers who claim we should never mention politics in church during an election period. Year after year we see our rights as Christians in America being shredded from the constitution while those things the constitution never mentioned are approved by decree of activist judges who have been educated beyond their intelligence.
When they mix, you get America in her greatness...
When they don’t, you get America in her defeat.
The seeds of the American revolution were planted on the colonial churches.
It has to be said about the Muslims, they likely laugh their asses off at Christians’ reluctance to wade into politicsas it pertains to faith. Islam fully embraces the fact that to get what it wants, it must be heavily politically involved, and as barbaric as the society it creates is, that is just the society Islam commands.
Christians should never fear the mix of religion and politics, for they are already entwined, yet in a state denied by liberals. Practically all of our laws are based on absolute morals which are religious in their foundation and justification. Ask a judge why rape is illegal and he will tell you that it is wrong. Ask him why it is wrong, he will struggle to give a coherent answer without referencing the divine.
Faith and politics are written into law as being intertwined.
The first amendment speaks to this.
Democrats and Communists want to eliminate organized religion because they see it as a threat to their power.
See the Soviet Union and their treatment of Orthodox Christians, Jews and all other religions.
The Christian Faith pits father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. If it’s family, it’s also politics, so don’t expect much peace except as pertains to the life of the world to come in Christ Jesus. “My kingdom is not of this world” are words spoken in truth by the Son of God. He has not changed.
Our Founding Fathers mixed Religion and Politics, I’d say that they had the mix right.
For believing Christians it is traditional America and freedom and limited government. For atheists and the weak of faith, and the anti-faith, it is liberalism and the resulting oppression and big government.
We are in agreement.
However, am I correct in that you agree with mixing the two or not Fester Chugabrew, Your comment seems to lead more away from participating?
I mean i agree about where our true kingdom is, but you never quite stated your stance.
Politics and ‘religion’ not only mix; they are just different phases of humanism.
Yeshua’s way to his narrow gate is in no way related to religion. He has called us to a life that rarely has room for politics, and searching for a reward in politics is a depressing exercise in futility.
We have work to do.
>> “When they mix, you get America in her greatness...
When they dont, you get America in her defeat.” <<
At the founding they had politics and the word of God.
Now we have politics and the religion of humanism.
Good points in both your comments e-s.
CS Lewis wrote this in The Screwtape letters.
Whichever he adopts, your main task will be the same. Let him begin by treating the Patriotism or the Pacifism as a part of his religion. Then let him, under the influence of partisan spirit, come to regard it as the most important part. Then quietly and gradually nurse him on to the stage at which the religion becomes merely part of the Cause, in which Christianity is valued chiefly because of the excellent arguments it can produce in favour of the British war effort or of pacifism. The attitude which you want to guard against is that in which temporal affairs are treated primarily as material for obedience. Once you have made the World an end, and faith a means, you have almost won your man, and it makes very little difference what kind of worldly end he is pursuing. Provided that meetings, pamphlets, policies, movements, causes, and crusades, matter more to him than prayers and sacraments and charity, he is ours and the more religious (on those terms), the more securely ours. I could show you a pretty cageful down here.
Your affectionate uncle
Sadly I see a lot of it and with this last election saw many so called Christians throw their faith out the window for a percieved political win (Romney) and I was attacked almost incessantly for standing for my faith over politics.
While I am still a patriot and have not yet given up the fight, politics is not my religion and I find the closer I get to the Lord and the more involved I get in my ministry, the less I care about politics. This world is not my home.
Participation in Christ necessitates participation in political realm as well, because all things are under His hand. But do not be surprised when your neighbor believes it is incumbent upon all to part from personal wealth for the benefit of strangers. Politics and religion are mixed so deeply in our land that we tend to suffer for a short while. I don't know about you, but I see bad guys all over the place, yet each one perhaps scheduled for repentance and faith at the last hour, and thus being first instead of last.
I vote pro-life above all, because life is what God is all about, both temporal and eternal. I also live in the sure and certain hope that Christ was put to death for our transgressions and raised again for our justification, and therefore no matter how screwed up things may seem to be, the powers and principalities of this world are defeated already, so we can laugh them to scorn.
It is not possible to separate one’s faith from any aspect of his life, including his politics.
There’s a great book, “Original Intent” by David Barton.
I haven’t started reading it yet, but I’ve heard David speak several times and his conclusions from all the founding documents were that unless you had a credible relationship with God, you should not be allowed to hold any government office.
Neither should anyone be allowed to teach our children. I’m sure the unions will be thrilled with that one.
//I vote pro-life above all,//
Did you vote for Romney?
According to historian/educator Reverend Wayne Sedlak, in his article The Black Regiment Led the Fight in Our War for Independence:
It was British sympathizer Peter Oliver, who actually first used the name Black Regiment. He complained that such clergymen were invariably at the heart of the revolutionary disturbances. He tied their influence to such colonial leaders as Samuel Adams, James Otis and others of prominence in the cause. He quotes colonial leadership in its quest to gain the voice of the clergy. In one instance, he disparagingly cites a public plea of James Otis who sought the help of the clergy in a particular manner.....
So influential were the patriot-pulpits of Colonial America that it was said by Prime Minister Horace Walpole in the British Parliament, Cousin America has run off with a Presbyterian parson. In fact, Americas War for Independence was often referenced in Parliament as the Presbyterian Revolt. And during the Revolutionary War, British troops often made colonial churches military targets. Churches were torched, ransacked, and pillaged.
Religion “IS” Politics..
I’ll take the Hillary Clinton defense on that.
Even if one is of the opinion that the two are utterly separate (a popular notion), a line must then be drawn between them. Unless there is 100% agreement on where that line is located, the two are mixed. I’m amazed that’s even controversial. How can they not be mixed? If government is pushing against my religious beliefs, then political issues are religious issues.
Thanks for posting the CS Lewis quote reaganaut. I wish I had come across it when I was writing the piece. It would have bolstered my conclusion.
As much as I care about politics, my politics is controlled by my faith in God through Christ. Whereas my faith in God is never affected by my belief in any political philosophy.
That being said, my faith tells me that I must support Godly men to be leaders so the people will not be led astray.
A nation sways in the wind, and depending upon the way the leader at the head sways, so to does the nation.
Like 99& of FReepers, I too am pro-life, but I know Romney was pro-choice.
Should the Republican party ever drop the pro-life stance I will cease to support it any longer. That being said, I am close to stopping now. Close, not ready.
Current leader speaks volumes of my point.
Thanks Alamo-Girl, for weighing in.
The pastor of my congregation has quite enough to do without presuming to advise me on matters political. That is no part of his professional functions or obligations. He can, and should relate the precepts and teachings of religious doctrines and teachings to public policy issues, but never presume to instruct me or my fellow parishioners on how or for whom to vote. He is no better equipped for that role than am I and my fellow laymen.
Another great story,
Later, in the Battle of Springfield, Pastor Caldwell etched his name in the history books for his battlefield heroics. He discovered that Patriot troops were out of wadding for their muskets. He rushed to a nearby church, gathered up the hymnbooks, and brought them to the battle front.
As the Patriot soldiers tore through the hymnals to stuff the paper down their muskets, Caldwell noted that many of the hymns in the book were written by Isaac Watts. With that, Parson Caldwell rallied the Patriots with his now famous battle cry, “Now put Watts into them, boys!”
BUMP. There are some sectarian matters that tend to garble things, but in matters of civility, even agreement on the Decalogue is a good thing.
Decalogue, dialogue. Unghhh.
Yes I read about it before.
In Mel Gibson’s movie, “The Patriot” many tried to claim he added the church scene for effect, but the truth is it happened.
I remember watching it with my wife at the movie, and when that scene came up, I said “Waco” loud enough for everyone to hear. Say what you want about Koresh and his religion, but they burned a church down with the children they claimed to care about inside.
Makes two of us, in spades.
Post Christian America, with its post Christian majority and post Christian government does not make America the same country some of us grew up in. Our government reflects us, who are now broadly too stupid to reverse at least 50 years of Godless neglect.
>>> Your comment seems to lead more away from participating?... I mean i agree about where our true kingdom is, but you never quite stated your stance.
On the contrary...
The birth of this nation is the perfect example of why men of God should be directly involved with governments (politics).
It is evil men who turned our government into the cesspool it is now, and it’s the apathy of christians today which allows it to continue.
Let us not forget God’s admonishment of US... the christians:
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Point being, we can’t blame the liberals for the mess we are in.. only ourselves for not standing up for God.
Hell yes we should be participating.
This nation is doomed because we have not.
We are in agreement. I blame Christians for failing to keep wary of the wolves who have been eating the sheep.
God tells us to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Well I read that to mean that we need to be as understanding of the ways of the world as the evil ones are so we can head them off at the pass and thus raise our children to know how to identify the lies.
Nothing irritates me more than to watch Christians feed their children to the world unprepared for the wolves who will eat them alive and spit them out as good little atheist socialists.
They say that in polite company that we should never discuss religion or politics. My response for many years has been that they are the only two subjects worth talking about, because one will determine our eternal destiny, and the other will determine the earthly destiny of our posterity. What other subjects could come anywhere close in terms of importance?
Life is all political and can never be removed from “Faith”. To remove “faith” from a human being is impossible. The State is always promoting a “Faith”; it used to be only the Christian “Faith” until 1950s when we allowed our government to only ban the Christian Faith from the public square and public schools.
They now promote Satanism, paganism, occultism and atheism using curricula, as they demean and belittle anything to do with Christianity. They do it in TV and movies and promote dysfunction and evil 24/7—to condition the worldview of the future. A “Christian” worldview will be impossible.
Christianity had to be erased from the minds of children so the Christian worldview would not exist: the idea that individual Rights come from God and predate the Constitution; that ALL human life has dignity and worth—and can never be used as a “Means” to an End.
Collectives have to erase individuality—the concept of uniqueness of humans-—reducing man to just godless animal who can be interchangeable-—all uniqueness, even sexual identity is removed to destroy the Natural Family and the emotional health of children.
Then the children grow up without morals and will agree to the herding, and culling of the masses. There is no outcry to killing the old and young and useless eaters. Collectives have to have masters and the slaves are to have no morality, just useful idiots who do as they are told.
Christianity created the Age of Reason, etc....they use Logic and Reason because Natural Law is embedded into the Theology by the early Catholics. Only the Christian Worldview was capable of forming the US Constitution. NO others. Erase Christian Worldview, you erase the Constitution and the Christian understanding of “Justice” and “Rights”.
a careful reading of the Bible assures me that our Lord was very well versed in politics.
a careful reading of our founding documents assures me that our Founders were well versed in our Lord’s teaching of limited governance and human nature.
conclusion: America was founded explicitly as a Christian nation. “separation of church and state” is a leftist canard.
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
The issue of separation of politics and religion can, I suggest, best be dealt with by asking the politician if his actions in office are congruent with the last six of the Ten Commandments.
The Founders were quite clear about this being a form of government suited only for a moral and religious people.
I left the GOP over Romney, it was the final straw. There was no reason we should have lost this last time.
While my faith does affect my political view (it does everyone either positively or negatively because it is the basis of our worldview), it is not the be all end all and I am careful not to confuse the two and call a political cause part of my faith.
Sadly, the Godly men you speak of seem to be pushed aside in favor of ungodly people - even in the GOP.
If you believe that a fetus is a human being but you support abortion, aren’t you in effect supporting murder?
Sure they do!
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.
What galls me, is a politician that claims to have faith, and then turns around and says their religion will NOT influence the way that THEY would rule over us.
You and I agree here!