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Politics and Religion: Do They Mix?
The Relevant Christian Magazine ^ | 4/30/31 | Chuck Ness

Posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:57 PM PDT by OneVike


Most people would agree that politics and religion are the two most likely topics that divide even the best of friends. Websters dictionary says that politics is the political opinions or sympathies of a person, while it says that religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. I don’t see the difference between the two.

When I watch elected officials on the floor of the US Senate or House, I am reminded of an old friend of mine who pastors a church in Columbus, Georgia. He will flail his arms all around as he preaches his views on the Holy Scriptures. If your in agreement with their opinion, you could easily get engrossed as you listen to them share their deep-seated and fervent beliefs in such an animated way.

During the election season, we watch with anticipation as our chosen candidates addresses the issues. Like a congregation sitting in the pews of a church, the crowds long to hear something that will touch the part of their soul that yearned for truth. These yearnings differ...


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I for one am fed up with the establishment mentality that we Christians need not be seen nor heard until it's time to enter that voting booth, and then we better vote for the Democrat lite candidate they have given us.

I am also fed up with the preachers who claim we should never mention politics in church during an election period. Year after year we see our rights as Christians in America being shredded from the constitution while those things the constitution never mentioned are approved by decree of activist judges who have been educated beyond their intelligence.

1 posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:57 PM PDT by OneVike
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To: JesusBmyGod; buffyt; rom; persistence48; Hanna548; DvdMom; leftyontheright; FrdmLvr; jblann1; ...

Should we keep faith and politics separate? What say you?


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2 posted on 04/30/2014 8:01:55 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

When they mix, you get America in her greatness...

When they don’t, you get America in her defeat.


3 posted on 04/30/2014 8:02:09 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: OneVike

The seeds of the American revolution were planted on the colonial churches.


4 posted on 04/30/2014 8:04:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: OneVike

It has to be said about the Muslims, they likely laugh their asses off at Christians’ reluctance to wade into politicsas it pertains to faith. Islam fully embraces the fact that to get what it wants, it must be heavily politically involved, and as barbaric as the society it creates is, that is just the society Islam commands.

Christians should never fear the mix of religion and politics, for they are already entwined, yet in a state denied by liberals. Practically all of our laws are based on absolute morals which are religious in their foundation and justification. Ask a judge why rape is illegal and he will tell you that it is wrong. Ask him why it is wrong, he will struggle to give a coherent answer without referencing the divine.


5 posted on 04/30/2014 8:05:27 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: OneVike

Faith and politics are written into law as being intertwined.

The first amendment speaks to this.

Democrats and Communists want to eliminate organized religion because they see it as a threat to their power.

See the Soviet Union and their treatment of Orthodox Christians, Jews and all other religions.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 8:05:29 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: OneVike

The Christian Faith pits father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. If it’s family, it’s also politics, so don’t expect much peace except as pertains to the life of the world to come in Christ Jesus. “My kingdom is not of this world” are words spoken in truth by the Son of God. He has not changed.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 8:05:41 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: OneVike

Our Founding Fathers mixed Religion and Politics, I’d say that they had the mix right.


8 posted on 04/30/2014 8:07:41 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: OneVike
Everybody votes for what the America that they desire.

For believing Christians it is traditional America and freedom and limited government. For atheists and the weak of faith, and the anti-faith, it is liberalism and the resulting oppression and big government.

9 posted on 04/30/2014 8:08:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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10 posted on 04/30/2014 8:12:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Safrguns; cripplecreek; Viennacon; Texas resident; Fester Chugabrew; Shadowstrike

We are in agreement.

However, am I correct in that you agree with mixing the two or not Fester Chugabrew, Your comment seems to lead more away from participating?

I mean i agree about where our true kingdom is, but you never quite stated your stance.


11 posted on 04/30/2014 8:12:56 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

Politics and ‘religion’ not only mix; they are just different phases of humanism.

Yeshua’s way to his narrow gate is in no way related to religion. He has called us to a life that rarely has room for politics, and searching for a reward in politics is a depressing exercise in futility.

We have work to do.
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12 posted on 04/30/2014 8:13:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Safrguns
The AMC series "Turn" is now touching on the church during the revolution. The loyalists are turning against the British as they stable their horses in the church and force them to dig up their gravestones for fortifications.

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13 posted on 04/30/2014 8:14:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Safrguns; OneVike

>> “When they mix, you get America in her greatness...

When they don’t, you get America in her defeat.” <<

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At the founding they had politics and the word of God.

Now we have politics and the religion of humanism.
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14 posted on 04/30/2014 8:16:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Good points in both your comments e-s.


15 posted on 04/30/2014 8:18:46 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike; svcw; Tennessee Nana; Elsie; Godzilla

CS Lewis wrote this in The Screwtape letters.

…Whichever he adopts, your main task will be the same. Let him begin by treating the Patriotism or the Pacifism as a part of his religion. Then let him, under the influence of partisan spirit, come to regard it as the most important part. Then quietly and gradually nurse him on to the stage at which the religion becomes merely part of the “Cause,” in which Christianity is valued chiefly because of the excellent arguments it can produce in favour of the British war effort or of pacifism. The attitude which you want to guard against is that in which temporal affairs are treated primarily as material for obedience. Once you have made the World an end, and faith a means, you have almost won your man, and it makes very little difference what kind of worldly end he is pursuing. Provided that meetings, pamphlets, policies, movements, causes, and crusades, matter more to him than prayers and sacraments and charity, he is ours – and the more “religious” (on those terms), the more securely ours. I could show you a pretty cageful down here.

Your affectionate uncle

SCREWTAPE

Sadly I see a lot of it and with this last election saw many so called Christians throw their faith out the window for a percieved political win (Romney) and I was attacked almost incessantly for standing for my faith over politics.

While I am still a patriot and have not yet given up the fight, politics is not my religion and I find the closer I get to the Lord and the more involved I get in my ministry, the less I care about politics. This world is not my home.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 8:26:08 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: OneVike
However, am I correct in that you agree with mixing the two . . .

Participation in Christ necessitates participation in political realm as well, because all things are under His hand. But do not be surprised when your neighbor believes it is incumbent upon all to part from personal wealth for the benefit of strangers. Politics and religion are mixed so deeply in our land that we tend to suffer for a short while. I don't know about you, but I see bad guys all over the place, yet each one perhaps scheduled for repentance and faith at the last hour, and thus being first instead of last.

I vote pro-life above all, because life is what God is all about, both temporal and eternal. I also live in the sure and certain hope that Christ was put to death for our transgressions and raised again for our justification, and therefore no matter how screwed up things may seem to be, the powers and principalities of this world are defeated already, so we can laugh them to scorn.

18 posted on 04/30/2014 8:28:09 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: OneVike

It is not possible to separate one’s faith from any aspect of his life, including his politics.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 8:28:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: OneVike; All

There’s a great book, “Original Intent” by David Barton.

I haven’t started reading it yet, but I’ve heard David speak several times and his conclusions from all the founding documents were that unless you had a credible relationship with God, you should not be allowed to hold any government office.

Neither should anyone be allowed to teach our children. I’m sure the unions will be thrilled with that one.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 8:29:00 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: Fester Chugabrew

//I vote pro-life above all,//

Did you vote for Romney?


21 posted on 04/30/2014 8:29:24 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: OneVike

http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4758-resurrecting-the-black-regiment

According to historian/educator Reverend Wayne Sedlak, in his article “The Black Regiment Led the Fight in Our War for Independence”:

It was British sympathizer Peter Oliver, who actually first used the name “Black Regiment.” He complained that such clergymen were invariably at the heart of the revolutionary disturbances. He tied their influence to such colonial leaders as Samuel Adams, James Otis and others of prominence in the cause. He quotes colonial leadership in its quest to gain the voice of the clergy. In one instance, he disparagingly cites a public plea of James Otis who sought the help of the clergy in a particular manner.....

So influential were the patriot-pulpits of Colonial America that it was said by Prime Minister Horace Walpole in the British Parliament, “Cousin America has run off with a Presbyterian parson.” In fact, America’s War for Independence was often referenced in Parliament as “the Presbyterian Revolt.” And during the Revolutionary War, British troops often made colonial churches military targets. Churches were torched, ransacked, and pillaged.


22 posted on 04/30/2014 8:31:55 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: OneVike

Religion “IS” Politics..


23 posted on 04/30/2014 8:33:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: reaganaut

I’ll take the Hillary Clinton defense on that.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 8:35:11 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ForYourChildren
Black Robe Regiment (Modern)

Black Robe Regiment



Picture "It was Sunday morning early in the year 1776. In the church where Pastor Muhlenberg preached, it was a regular service for his congregation, but a quite different affair for Muhlenberg himself. Muhlenberg's text for the day was Ecclesiastes 3 where it explains, 'To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven; a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted...'"

"Coming to the end of his sermon, Peter Muhlenberg turned to his congregation and said, 'In the language of the holy writ, there was a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away.' As those assembled looked on, Pastor Muhlenberg declared, 'There is a time to fight, and that time is now coming!' Muhlenberg then proceeded to remove his robes revealing, to the shock of his congregation, a military uniform."

"Marching to the back of the church he declared, 'Who among you is with me?' On that day 300 men from his church stood up and joined Peter Muhlenberg. They eventually became the 8th Virginia Brigade fighting for liberty."

"Frederick Muhlenberg, Peter's brother, was against Peter's level of involvement in the war. Peter responded to Frederick writing, 'I am a Clergyman it is true, but I am a member of the Society as well as the poorest Layman, and my Liberty is as dear to me as any man, shall I then sit still and enjoy myself at Home when the best Blood of the Covenant is spilling? ...So far am I from thinking that I act wrong, I am convinced it is my duty to do so and duly I owe to God and my country."

25 posted on 04/30/2014 8:41:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: OneVike

Even if one is of the opinion that the two are utterly separate (a popular notion), a line must then be drawn between them. Unless there is 100% agreement on where that line is located, the two are mixed. I’m amazed that’s even controversial. How can they not be mixed? If government is pushing against my religious beliefs, then political issues are religious issues.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 8:43:27 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Alamo-Girl; CyberAnt; Fester Chugabrew; reaganaut; editor-surveyor

Thanks for posting the CS Lewis quote reaganaut. I wish I had come across it when I was writing the piece. It would have bolstered my conclusion.

As much as I care about politics, my politics is controlled by my faith in God through Christ. Whereas my faith in God is never affected by my belief in any political philosophy.

That being said, my faith tells me that I must support Godly men to be leaders so the people will not be led astray.

A nation sways in the wind, and depending upon the way the leader at the head sways, so to does the nation.

Like 99& of FReepers, I too am pro-life, but I know Romney was pro-choice.

Should the Republican party ever drop the pro-life stance I will cease to support it any longer. That being said, I am close to stopping now. Close, not ready.

Current leader speaks volumes of my point.

Thanks Alamo-Girl, for weighing in.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 8:44:05 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

The pastor of my congregation has quite enough to do without presuming to advise me on matters political. That is no part of his professional functions or obligations. He can, and should relate the precepts and teachings of religious doctrines and teachings to public policy issues, but never presume to instruct me or my fellow parishioners on how or for whom to vote. He is no better equipped for that role than am I and my fellow laymen.


28 posted on 04/30/2014 8:44:34 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: cripplecreek

Another great story,
http://www.aproundtable.org/tps2.cfm?ID=944&issuecode=history

Later, in the Battle of Springfield, Pastor Caldwell etched his name in the history books for his battlefield heroics. He discovered that Patriot troops were out of wadding for their muskets. He rushed to a nearby church, gathered up the hymnbooks, and brought them to the battle front.

As the Patriot soldiers tore through the hymnals to stuff the paper down their muskets, Caldwell noted that many of the hymns in the book were written by Isaac Watts. With that, Parson Caldwell rallied the Patriots with his now famous battle cry, “Now put Watts into them, boys!”


29 posted on 04/30/2014 8:46:13 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: OneVike
As much as I care about politics, my politics is controlled by my faith in God through Christ.

Praise God!
30 posted on 04/30/2014 8:47:53 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: CyberAnt
. . . unless you had a credible relationship with God, you should not be allowed to hold any government office. . . . Neither should anyone be allowed to teach our children.

BUMP. There are some sectarian matters that tend to garble things, but in matters of civility, even agreement on the Decalogue is a good thing.

31 posted on 04/30/2014 8:58:39 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Decalogue, dialogue. Unghhh.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 9:00:39 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ForYourChildren; hosepipe; cdcdawg; cripplecreek

Yes I read about it before.

In Mel Gibson’s movie, “The Patriot” many tried to claim he added the church scene for effect, but the truth is it happened.

I remember watching it with my wife at the movie, and when that scene came up, I said “Waco” loud enough for everyone to hear. Say what you want about Koresh and his religion, but they burned a church down with the children they claimed to care about inside.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 9:02:25 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: reaganaut

Makes two of us, in spades.

Post Christian America, with its post Christian majority and post Christian government does not make America the same country some of us grew up in. Our government reflects us, who are now broadly too stupid to reverse at least 50 years of Godless neglect.


34 posted on 04/30/2014 9:21:19 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: OneVike

>>> Your comment seems to lead more away from participating?... I mean i agree about where our true kingdom is, but you never quite stated your stance.

On the contrary...
The birth of this nation is the perfect example of why men of God should be directly involved with governments (politics).

It is evil men who turned our government into the cesspool it is now, and it’s the apathy of christians today which allows it to continue.

Let us not forget God’s admonishment of US... the christians:

2Ch 7:14

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Point being, we can’t blame the liberals for the mess we are in.. only ourselves for not standing up for God.

Hell yes we should be participating.
This nation is doomed because we have not.


35 posted on 04/30/2014 9:30:13 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Safrguns

We are in agreement. I blame Christians for failing to keep wary of the wolves who have been eating the sheep.

God tells us to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Well I read that to mean that we need to be as understanding of the ways of the world as the evil ones are so we can head them off at the pass and thus raise our children to know how to identify the lies.

Nothing irritates me more than to watch Christians feed their children to the world unprepared for the wolves who will eat them alive and spit them out as good little atheist socialists.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 9:34:49 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

They say that in polite company that we should never discuss religion or politics. My response for many years has been that they are the only two subjects worth talking about, because one will determine our eternal destiny, and the other will determine the earthly destiny of our posterity. What other subjects could come anywhere close in terms of importance?


37 posted on 04/30/2014 9:36:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: hosepipe

Life is all political and can never be removed from “Faith”. To remove “faith” from a human being is impossible. The State is always promoting a “Faith”; it used to be only the Christian “Faith” until 1950s when we allowed our government to only ban the Christian Faith from the public square and public schools.

They now promote Satanism, paganism, occultism and atheism using curricula, as they demean and belittle anything to do with Christianity. They do it in TV and movies and promote dysfunction and evil 24/7—to condition the worldview of the future. A “Christian” worldview will be impossible.

Christianity had to be erased from the minds of children so the Christian worldview would not exist: the idea that individual Rights come from God and predate the Constitution; that ALL human life has dignity and worth—and can never be used as a “Means” to an End.

Collectives have to erase individuality—the concept of uniqueness of humans-—reducing man to just godless animal who can be interchangeable-—all uniqueness, even sexual identity is removed to destroy the Natural Family and the emotional health of children.

Then the children grow up without morals and will agree to the herding, and culling of the masses. There is no outcry to killing the old and young and useless eaters. Collectives have to have masters and the slaves are to have no morality, just useful idiots who do as they are told.

Christianity created the Age of Reason, etc....they use Logic and Reason because Natural Law is embedded into the Theology by the early Catholics. Only the Christian Worldview was capable of forming the US Constitution. NO others. Erase Christian Worldview, you erase the Constitution and the Christian understanding of “Justice” and “Rights”.


38 posted on 04/30/2014 9:37:57 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

Good summation.


39 posted on 04/30/2014 9:49:50 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

a careful reading of the Bible assures me that our Lord was very well versed in politics.

a careful reading of our founding documents assures me that our Founders were well versed in our Lord’s teaching of limited governance and human nature.

conclusion: America was founded explicitly as a Christian nation. “separation of church and state” is a leftist canard.


40 posted on 04/30/2014 10:00:39 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Safrguns

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


41 posted on 04/30/2014 10:02:09 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: OneVike

The issue of separation of politics and religion can, I suggest, best be dealt with by asking the politician if his actions in office are congruent with the last six of the Ten Commandments.

The Founders were quite clear about this being a form of government suited only for a moral and religious people.


42 posted on 04/30/2014 10:15:12 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: GladesGuru

Amen


43 posted on 04/30/2014 10:21:18 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

I left the GOP over Romney, it was the final straw. There was no reason we should have lost this last time.

While my faith does affect my political view (it does everyone either positively or negatively because it is the basis of our worldview), it is not the be all end all and I am careful not to confuse the two and call a political cause part of my faith.

Sadly, the Godly men you speak of seem to be pushed aside in favor of ungodly people - even in the GOP.


44 posted on 04/30/2014 11:48:27 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: RitaOK

Agreed


45 posted on 04/30/2014 11:49:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: OneVike

If you believe that a fetus is a human being but you support abortion, aren’t you in effect supporting murder?


46 posted on 05/01/2014 3:27:49 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: OneVike
Politics and Religion: Do They Mix?

Sure they do!


 "So help me God"
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States
 
 
 



Sometimes...



 
 
 
Mayflower Compact
 
In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

 
 
 

47 posted on 05/01/2014 4:11:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: OneVike
Like a congregation sitting in the pews of a church, the crowds long to hear something that will touch the part of their soul that yearned for truth.

AMEN!

48 posted on 05/01/2014 4:12:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: OneVike
Should we keep faith and politics separate? What say you?

What galls me, is a politician that claims to have faith, and then turns around and says their religion will NOT influence the way that THEY would rule over us.

WORTHLESS!

49 posted on 05/01/2014 4:15:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

You and I agree here!


50 posted on 05/01/2014 4:17:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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