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Lies, Damned Lies, and Garden-Variety Self-Deception [Benghazi]
Slate ^ | April 30, 2014 | John Dickerson

Posted on 05/01/2014 2:37:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Lies, Damned Lies, and Garden-Variety Self-Deception - Why the new Benghazi emails aren’t a “smoking gun.”

Has the Benghazi “smoking gun” been found? Some White House critics believe that new documents wrestled from the White House by Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, prove that the Obama administration concocted a cover-up: Political advisers pushed a false story that the murder of four Americans grew out of a protest against an anti-Islamic video in order to hide a policy failure that might hurt the president in an election year. The documents clearly show that the White House pushed the video story, but there’s also proof that the White House believed the story they were pushing.

Were White House officials desperate enough to make up a story? Or were they just embracing and pushing the most politically beneficial version? That is the heart of the matter, but it also raises a larger question about what we call a lie when we look at administration spin: What is willful deceit, what is willful blindness, and what is merely the tunnel vision that comes from constant partisan warfare?

The Obama administration’s story has never been straight on the Benghazi attack. Press Secretary Jay Carney once said the White House and State Department had only been involved in changing one word in crafting the first public response about the attack—the infamous Susan Rice talking points. Emails released in May showed that wasn’t the case. This new batch underscores the White House’s involvement in shaping the story. The Obama administration left the impression that everything related to the Benghazi attack had been released to the investigating committees months ago. That is also clearly false. There have been other instances where the White House line on Benghazi has also earned it Pinocchios.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benrhodes; coverup; jaycarney; libya; susanrice
The WH wanted to believe - so can it be a lie? Were they compelled by political partisanship?

The lengths that liberals will go to twist and spin for this administration is boundless.

Read full article to see how much.

1 posted on 05/01/2014 2:37:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Amazing. And sickening.


2 posted on 05/01/2014 2:50:45 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Ronin; All

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/09/older-confirms-petraeus-probe-still-open-amid-questions-over-whether-case-used/

“......Two years after the FBI first began investigating former CIA director David Petraeus, Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed to lawmakers that the case remains open — amid allegations it is being used as leverage to keep the former general quiet.

“All I can say is that this is an ongoing investigation,” Holder testified Tuesday, in response to a series of questions from Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who wrote to the Justice Department last month about the matter. “I’m really not in a position to say much more about it than that.”

Fox News was told there may be friction between the FBI — whose investigators are on the Petraeus case — and the Justice Department over how to proceed, though Holder dismissed that claim.

“I’ve been briefed on this matter, and I did not detect any friction in what is an ongoing investigation,” he said.

In March, Chaffetz wrote to Holder, asking why the probe remained open 16 months after Petraeus resigned as CIA director following an affair with his biographer. At the time, Chaffetz suggested it was kept open to keep Petraeus quiet on controversies like the Benghazi terror attack, telling Fox News: “If there is something serious and sinister, then let Congress know. If not, give this man’s reputation back. But I worry that the White House is just holding this over his head to keep him quiet.”............


3 posted on 05/01/2014 2:57:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t know when, but at some point in our history the presidency took on attributes closer to the prerogatives of hereditary kings and the infallibility of Popes, than of a temporary chief executive of a republic.

Look at how the president is infallible! What he says is the accepted truth, and his actions are above reproach. He is without responsibility or effective accountability for his actions.

No free people can long endure such a charade. Why do most continue to pretend we still live in a republic?


4 posted on 05/01/2014 2:59:37 AM PDT by Jacquerie (By their oaths, it is the duty of state legislators to invoke Article V.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Can someone find and post the picture of John Dickerson with his head up Obama’s a$$. I am sure there must be some floating around.


5 posted on 05/01/2014 3:03:18 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So let me get this straight. The CIA talking points were about Benghazi but didn’t say anything about a video. The WH talking points were about everywhere except Benghazi but did talk about a video and then apparently Rice, Clinton and Obama got confused and talked about the video causing Benghazi for at least 2 weeks without anyone correcting them. They are all criminals.


6 posted on 05/01/2014 3:17:00 AM PDT by kushnejz
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>>Perhaps, but there is also evidence in the documents for another explanation. The administration was practicing garden-variety self-deception: Administration officials, who came into office on a wave of skepticism about the quality of CIA intelligence, believed what their intelligence agency told them and what was in the president’s best political interest to believe. <<

Pigs could fly if they had wings. I believe that.


7 posted on 05/01/2014 3:19:34 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Jacquerie
I don’t know when, but at some point in our history the presidency took on attributes closer to the prerogatives of hereditary kings and the infallibility of Popes, than of a temporary chief executive of a republic.

January 20, 2009.

8 posted on 05/01/2014 3:22:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

most coherent point in the entire article is about how this will affect Hillary. Only reason it’s coherent is thats all he says about it.


9 posted on 05/01/2014 3:31:43 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Funny how things change. Imagine the fun if Nixon had tried to hide the incompetence of State and CIA by direct, bold lies like this. All Nixon did was try to hide the involvement of some of his people in a political intel op. Nobody was killed because of Watergate.

Talk about "high crimes and misdemeanors"!

10 posted on 05/01/2014 3:39:33 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Jacquerie; ImNotLying; wiggen; All






John Dickerson
11 posted on 05/01/2014 4:26:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jacquerie

Even calculating in the massive voter fraud, without which I am sure “O” could never have been elected, the mass of “O” supporters have demonstrated for decades that they don’t know or CARE about a republic or anything necessary to maintain one.

The integrity, character and standing necessary to BE President of the United States of America are a dead letter to Liberals and these qualifications have been moot for a very long time.

That THIS ‘President’ has casually disregarded the clearly proscribed bounds of his legitimate powers, that he has arrogantly overstepped his authority, and does so routinely, is hardly noticed or challenged by them.

Shame on “O” supporters… and shame on the MSM in their failure to honor their duty to the American public. Never once do they remark on the constant and excessive violations committed by “O” and his administration.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 4:32:07 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Ronin

Nice try.


13 posted on 05/01/2014 4:35:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Lies, Damned Lies, and Garden-Variety Self-Deception - Why the new Benghazi emails aren’t a “smoking gun.”

The article then goes on to point out that everything the Repubs were saying was true and everything the RATS were saying was a LIE. The attitude is, yes they lied but that’s their job or its understandable.


14 posted on 05/01/2014 4:35:17 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: kushnejz

“Clinton and Obama got confused and talked about the video causing Benghazi for at least 2 weeks without anyone correcting them.”

I can picture somebody saying to George Bush, “Excuse me, Mr. President, you misspoke about xyz.” And, Bush replying, “Thank you.” Can you picture anybody saying the same to anyone in the Obama administration? And, if you can, who would that brave, selfless soul be?


15 posted on 05/01/2014 4:35:42 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

While the author strains to provide cover to the WH, this is the most objective and condemning article I’ve ever seen come from Slate.


16 posted on 05/01/2014 5:01:08 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

If anyone wants to see why we as a country are doomed, go read the comments on articles like this. We conservatives have NOTHING, absolutely nothing in common with the left. They have no scruples. They have no morals. They have nothing but their love of the democratic party and their hatred of republicans. They don’t care about facts. They wouldn’t give a flying F if we could prove that obama and biliary ordered the attack on benghazi themselves. Those are their guys and they will support them to the end. Oh and, George bush sucks.

The difference between them and us is we can admit when “our guy” is or was wrong. We don’t blindly support any of our side cause we care more about our country than our F’in party. I have ZERO in common with any lefty and the only way our problems can be solved is to split the country in half so I can live on the side where the govt will leave me THE HELL ALONE and they can live in their socialist utopia. Or we can have another revolution and one side wipes out the other. The more i hear from the left, the more I despise them with every fiber in my body.

Morning rant complete.


17 posted on 05/01/2014 5:06:12 AM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So John Dickerson wants us to assume the Obama Administration wasn’t lying. They simply choose to “believe” the preposterous “video story” because it was to their advantage, and spread it wholesale, while ignoring actual facts and common sense. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

So rather than a cover-up, it was gross misjudgement and incompetence of the laughingstock kind, requiring immediate resignation and withdrawal from public life for all involved.

Thank you, Mr.Dickinson, for making the distinction so clear. I also “appreciate” the emphasis on the White House — wouldn’t want to see the name HILLARY CLINTON associated with Benghazi, no sirree. She’s a victim too, and suffers so much pain over it.


18 posted on 05/01/2014 5:08:40 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: hillarys cankles

You are not alone in your thoughts. You are not alone.

While there are millions of us - there just aren’t enough.

As Rush said, “We’re outnumbered and losing ground.”

It’s over. With total collapse around the corner, that may be the only thing (apart from divine intervention) that will bring change......


19 posted on 05/01/2014 5:21:55 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Where was the little islamist, and what was he doing as our people were being murdered in Benghazi?


20 posted on 05/01/2014 6:55:14 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
With every other investigation, like Petraus, they always say no comment as it is under investigation, right? But when Rice went on TV to share her story, before an investigation had even been started, she said, "for a fact the attack was caused by a you tube video."

They could have just said, we are not sure, we are investigating what happened it has only been 4 days. But no they knew for a fact that it was a video, not terrorists who attacked our facilities on 9-11.

21 posted on 05/01/2014 7:15:36 AM PDT by thirst4truth (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Let me translate: “Duh, of course the White House is lying. But they’re on our side, so we’ll just chalk it up to ‘business as usual’ and get back to making stuff up to discredit conservatives.”


22 posted on 05/01/2014 7:20:47 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Chewbarkah

You’re absolutely correct — The objective of the Democrat Socialists is to keep the focus of this on anything but Mrs. B.J. Clinton ... keep on the regime, keep it on the media, keep it on the e-mails ... anything but on B.J.’s wife.


23 posted on 05/01/2014 7:24:33 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Ronin

??? I don’t understand your response to Ronin’s post.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 7:26:00 AM PDT by MortMan (With friends like these, who is needing enemas?)
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To: Jacquerie

THE MSM IS A BIGGER PAWN OF OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAN PRAVDA WAS IN TIMES OF THE SOVIET UNION.

Retired Military Official: We Knew Benghazi Attacks Attributable to Terrorist Group, Not Video

Michael Warren
May 1, 2014

http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/military-official-benghazi-attacks-attributable-terrorist-group_788938.html

A retired military officer serving in the U.S.’s Africa Command headquarters in Germany told the House oversight committee Thursday that it was his belief at the time that the September 11, 2012, attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya was attributable to an Islamic extremist group and not an internet video.

Robert Lovell was an brigadier general with the Air Force, stationed in Germany, when four Americans were killed in Benghazi. In his congressional testimony, Lovell said that his role was to focus on “attribution” of the attack.

“What do you believe they were attributable to?” asked Utah Republican congressman Jason Chaffetz.

“That they were attributable to an Islamist extremist group,” Lovell responded.

“Al Qaeda?” Chaffetz asked.

“We felt it was Ansar al Sharia,” said Lovell.

“Which is affiliated with al Qaeda?” Chaffetz asked.

“Yes,” said Lovell.

Watch the exchange below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNWxZhHw3v8&feature=player_embedded

Lovell also said that the attack was not attributable to a video or protests arising from such a video.


25 posted on 05/01/2014 11:56:10 AM PDT by Dqban22
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