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Finally, the end of affirmative action
Jewish World Review ^ | 5/1/14 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/01/2014 7:44:35 AM PDT by BlatherNaut

Sometimes doctrines just vanish, once they appear as naked as the proverbial emperor in his new clothes. Something like that seems now to be happening with affirmative action. Despite all the justifications for its continuance, polling shows the public still strongly disagrees with the idea of using racial criteria for admissions and hiring. Its dwindling supporters typically include those who directly benefit from it, or who are not adversely affected by it. Arguments for the continuance of affirmative action are half-hearted and may explain why some supporters descend into name-calling directed at those who dare question its premises. The Supreme Court, by a 6-2 majority, recently upheld the decision by Michigan voters that their state would neither favor nor discriminate against applicants to the state's public universities on the basis of race. Recently, a group of liberal Asian-American state lawmakers in California -- a state that is over 60 percent non-white -- successfully blocked a proposed return to racial considerations in college admissions.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction

1 posted on 05/01/2014 7:44:35 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

it is not over and will not be while leftists run everything


2 posted on 05/01/2014 7:46:06 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL
havent we been told by the great leader that we live in a post racial world these days??


3 posted on 05/01/2014 7:48:00 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: BlatherNaut

Having had the media select an affirmative action president for us, there really isn’t a need for the doctrine any longer.


4 posted on 05/01/2014 7:50:10 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: MeshugeMikey

what.... no raisins in the sun?


5 posted on 05/01/2014 7:50:34 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: BlatherNaut

Affirmative Action is the de facto standard. It’s embedded in the minds of the left, and will be implemented, with or without regulations.


6 posted on 05/01/2014 7:52:11 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: GeronL
You're right. They may change the name of it, spin it or otherwise put lipstick on it, but they are obsessed with race as a tool of division and won't put it away.
7 posted on 05/01/2014 7:53:35 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GeronL

You kniw what this really means don’t you? Whites are about to become the minority and would be eligible for affirmative action remedies.../s


8 posted on 05/01/2014 7:55:07 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: GeronL

ESLENT Idea!!! Thank you!


9 posted on 05/01/2014 7:57:18 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: GeronL
it is not over and will not be while leftists run everything

Especially the courts and Just Us department.

10 posted on 05/01/2014 8:02:27 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MeshugeMikey

Al and Jesse can be holding the two scoops


11 posted on 05/01/2014 8:02:28 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Don Corleone

colleges already bypass quotas by taking an applicants “story” into account. We know what that means.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 8:04:42 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: BlatherNaut
Recently, a group of liberal Asian-American state lawmakers in California -- a state that is over 60 percent non-white -- successfully blocked a proposed return to racial considerations in college admissions.

Because the admissions policies in CA were distinctly anti-Asian, despite being promoted as pro-minority (and Asians comprise less than 15% of California's population). Only blacks and Latinos were given "bonus points"... mostly because the Asians, percentagewise, were already kicking the tar out of the other minorities (and often whites) in getting admission slots.

13 posted on 05/01/2014 8:06:08 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: GeronL

True.

Supreme Court decisions are ignored by the Left as invalid when the decisions aren’t favorable to them, but get interpreted wildly across the board - black-check style - when they do.


14 posted on 05/01/2014 8:08:31 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: GeronL

How about barry eating a bowl of....Raciss Brain!!?...


15 posted on 05/01/2014 8:11:19 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

lol

how long has it been since you had a steaming pile of ....

well thats too long - under section 876B-765 subsection 4 (F) of ObamaCare it is mandated


16 posted on 05/01/2014 8:14:36 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: BlatherNaut

Nobody has ever had a positive benefit from Affirmative Action. The person who won a position because of affirmative action always has the cloud hanging overhead in that he was less worthy than any of the rivals, and that no competence was assured with the placement in that slot. In fact, the Peter Principle, in that a person has been elevated beyond the level of his (or her) competence, is greatly exaggerated with this action.

Worse, when affirmative action is used in even one instance, then all others of that “protected and privileged” class, whether they were extended the “benefit” or not, is looked upon with suspicion and distrust.

Those of us who have to deal with the Affirmative Action hire are faced with a person who KNOWS he is a hack, and tend to be much under-served, even in relatively simple and routine matters. This only builds tension and uncertainty in both parties of the transaction, and develops many of the characteristics of an “unpleasant” work environment.

If not downright hostile.


17 posted on 05/01/2014 8:18:01 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: GeronL

Good one!


18 posted on 05/01/2014 8:18:29 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: fwdude
... but get interpreted wildly across the board - black-check style - when they do.
Probably the most notorious example is Roe v. Wade. IIRC, the decision allowed each state to decide abortion legality for themselves - but it was immediately hailed by the baby-killers as being law across the country - immediately.
Conversely, when the MSM reported the AA decision last month, they bent over backwards and tripped all over themselves trying to suggest it was just one state affected and then, only to college admissions.
19 posted on 05/01/2014 8:21:24 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BlatherNaut

That’s right - they call it “diversity “ now.


20 posted on 05/01/2014 8:56:32 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: GeronL

It has morphed inot “Diversity and Inclusion”.


21 posted on 05/01/2014 8:58:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: GeronL

Correct.


22 posted on 05/01/2014 8:58:55 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: BlatherNaut
Affirmative action or trying to 'make' people equal is little more than Social Engineering..."the application of sociological principles to specific social problems." Like 'busing' children to distant schools to balance racial segregation proved to be a bad experiment in most cases. Election years provide a stage for politicians to 'commit' themselves to failed promises made time and time again...they do this for votes and We The People for the most part, fall for the empty promises again...instead of taking matters into our own hands and moving forward in our towns and cities. The dissolution of Affirmative Action gives me hope.....
23 posted on 05/01/2014 9:08:31 AM PDT by yoe (BHO changed the rules without Congressional input making Obamacare Null&Void...EO's arent law....)
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To: BlatherNaut

“AA” is illegal, unconstitutional and wrong. It doesn’t matter if there are laws allowing it. Those laws are invalid and not binding.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 9:17:04 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: GeronL

It will be over sooner than later. The left is not reproducing themselves in numbers enough to replace themselves.


25 posted on 05/01/2014 9:37:04 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

They don’t need to they have everyone else’s children for 8 hours at school a day and on TV the rest of huge time


26 posted on 05/01/2014 10:07:10 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: BlatherNaut; sickoflibs
Class divisions are mostly ignored in admissions and hiring criteria, but in today's diverse society they often pose greater obstacles than race. The children of one-percenters such as Beyoncé and Jay-Z will have doors opened to them that are not open to those in Pennsylvania who, according to President Obama, "cling to guns or religion."

Victor Davis Hanson is wrong...

Please - all of you 'elites' - liberal and conservative - don't send our middle class children off to be 'bested' by your elite kids who were given every advantage in the world.

It's NOT a favor.

Filling up the bottom half of colleges is a FAVOR TO THE ELITES. It's not a favor to our kids. It makes the children of elites feel feel superior and condescending at the same time. And yeah, they know it... at the edges of their competitive 'win at all costs' ways of thinking....

Some of the children of elites need to know what it feels like to NOT be in the top half. They can learn that by going to schools only elites can get in to...

If Victor Davis Hanson thinks this is some big effing 'favor' for the children of the middle class he needs to read Malcolm Gladwell's David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants. No, our kids don't want elite charity designed to make elites feel better about themselves. Leave our kids out of affirmative action horrors... And if elites were kind they would realize they weren't doing blacks any favors by allowing them to be the 'inferior' ones in colleges either.

For the first time since I've been reading Victor Davis Hanson, I'm disgusted. I feel like vomiting.

27 posted on 05/01/2014 10:22:39 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ; BlatherNaut; GOPsterinMA; Impy; NFHale
RE :”Victor Davis Hanson is wrong..”

The college tuition/financial aid scam system is a huge redistribution system that rewards ADULT kids for their parents failures and vice-versa, punishes ADULT kids for their parents success, .

So while I had to get student loans because my parents worked, the kid from Baltimore whose parents were on welfare get the same college *free*(that is what we are paying for) . I see it every day here.

The 1%ers are a different case completely.

Their parents have so much $$$ that it doesn't effect them at all. That is why they are usually FOR it.

28 posted on 05/01/2014 11:20:34 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: GOPJ
If Victor Davis Hanson thinks this is some big effing 'favor' for the children of the middle class

$200 K for undergrad is a scam no matter where you go to school, and for the middle class, it's in effect mortgaging their very lives. With rapidly shrinking employment opportunities in Obamanation, people should think twice about encouraging their kids in that direction (particularly since they will be subsidizing the leftist educational establishment that continuously undermines the US Constitution and promotes the social and economic insanity that is devastating this nation).

29 posted on 05/01/2014 12:36:53 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: sickoflibs
So while I had to get student loans because my parents worked, the kid from Baltimore whose parents were on welfare get the same college *free*(that is what we are paying for) . I see it every day here.

And we were even paying the tuition for the Marathon bomber.

30 posted on 05/01/2014 12:42:58 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
You're right on this - no middle class person should mortgage their life so their kids can play ‘loser’ to the children of elites. A family doing without so their child can lose all their confidence is horrible.

Elites have done this to blacks forever - acting like it some big favor... but I sure don't want them doing it to our kids while basking in the knowledge that our families are also being destroyed the the debt. Yeah, $8,000 for a ‘Trans-gender Studies’ class is crazy. We can't let the elites destroy our children.We don't want or need their 'affirmative action' to fill the bottom half of their college classes so their kids feel superior. Let them compete with their own kind ... and we'll do the same.

31 posted on 05/01/2014 3:23:59 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: sickoflibs
It's not a question of college being ‘free’ or not... I don't want the bright children of the middle class being given ‘free affirmative action’ spots so the elites have kids their kids can beat. Really read Malcolm Gladwell’s book... Elites aren't doing this to ‘help’ blacks or middle class whites - they're doing it to give a leg up to their own kids.

Years ago I was at a law school graduation and George Steinbrenner was the speaker... he told the story of his son competing in college with a young man who came from a poor family... The son liked competing with the kid who probably had to work a job on the side to stay in school etc...

Anyhow the son goes to Steinbrenner and tells him the other boy is going to have to drop out of school because his grant or scholarship was ending. And the son wants the competition to continue. So Steinbrenner the father gives the school millions in a way that the young man never knows that he's been helped to stay in school. SO THE SON CAN CONTINUE THE COMPETITION. Setting your kids up to win was that important to him. Also allowing the other young man his dignity was important to Steinbrenner.. something missing in most liberal elites.

I went up to him after the speech and commented that I could see the admiration he had for this son because his son showed he was 'a warrior'. Steinbrenner liked that... and here's the funny part ( and not related to my point)... Steinbrenner's at the event by himself and apparently needed a foil for his comments to the graduates - so after my 'warrior' comment he moves me next to him in the rope line as he's shaking hands with graduates saying things like, "I can tell she's going to be a great lawyer' and I would agree with him - then he'd make a comment to the next person and I would nod in agreement. It was funny.... lasted for a few minutes until I walked off to be with the people I had come with...

32 posted on 05/01/2014 4:02:33 PM PDT by GOPJ
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