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Putin calls for Ukraine's troops to withdraw from eastern and southern regions
Fox News ^ | Published May 01, 2014 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/01/2014 5:18:56 PM PDT by BurningOak

DONETSK, Ukraine – Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that Ukraine should withdraw its military units from the eastern and southern regions of the country, where anti-government insurgents are seizing buildings, but hours later, Ukraine's acting president ordered the military draft be renewed as the unrest intensifies.

Although Ukraine last year announced plans to end military conscription and transfer to an all-volunteer force, Oleksandr Turchynov said in his order that the draft must be renewed in light of "threats of encroachment on Ukraine's territorial integrity and interference by Russia in the internal affairs of Ukraine."

Moscow has consistently denounced Ukrainian security forces' largely ineffectual "anti-terrorist" operation against the eastern insurgents and warned they shouldn't commit violence against civilians. In a telephone conversation with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Putin said the removal of military units from the south and east was the "main thing," but it was unclear if that could be construed as an outright demand.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: putin; russia; ukraine; war
This is it, the moment Bubba in prison says "bend over and pick up the soap" either you knock him out or you are his special lady from now on. Putin is not even going to give Ukraine the dignity of a war, like Crimea he is just going to walk in and tell them to get lost. Looks like he is gonna grab a third of Ukraine without firing a shot.

My heart goes out to the Ukrainians, they wanted freedom and payed dearly for it. That said, the weaknesses of the new government are obvious. The police in the East are underpaid, corrupt, and perfectly willing to cross over to the enemy when going gets tough. The military seems to be in shambles, with whole columns stopped by unarmed mobs and forced to surrender their arms, or outright turning cloaks and joining the separatists. When Crimea was taken with barely a shot, that was a bad sign.

On top of this there is definitely atleast a large minority in the East (and South?) that welcomes and participates in the Russian led rebellion. I guess they are nostalgic for the Soviet Union.

I hate to say it, but it look like the bad guys are winning. I do not see any outs short of a NATO invasion, and that is simply not going to happen.

1 posted on 05/01/2014 5:18:56 PM PDT by BurningOak
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To: BurningOak
You seem unhappy the Ukrainian police/military is reluctant to open fire on their own people.

How about here in the US?

2 posted on 05/01/2014 5:24:50 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: BurningOak

They will have to bring the war to the Russians somehow. Putin launched a civil war in the Ukraine, but he probably is only counting on Ukranians dying. He would probably be very surprised is he finds Russia, or his own position, at risk.


3 posted on 05/01/2014 5:25:14 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: mac_truck

I think this rebellion is not a civilian protest, it is a special operation by a foreign army. Polls show that the East is at best split about relations with Russia, a majority opposes splitting Ukraine, and a large majority don’t want to be annexed by Russia. This insurrection would not be happening without Russian instigation, and the constant threat of Russian tanks streaming across border.


4 posted on 05/01/2014 5:32:57 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: BurningOak

There is a very good chance that this could spiral out of control very rapidly. On the other hand, Putin could withdraw and look quite the statesman.


5 posted on 05/01/2014 5:37:49 PM PDT by refermech
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To: mac_truck

These aren’t “their own people”. These are imported thugs from Russia.


6 posted on 05/01/2014 5:40:31 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: BurningOak

Putin, GO F YOURSELF...would be what I’d say if I was in Ukraine.


7 posted on 05/01/2014 5:43:03 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: BurningOak
That crazy Sarah Palin predicted this before Obama was even elected.

What a loon.

8 posted on 05/01/2014 5:50:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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Your peddling the Big Lie for KGB thug Putin here.

These Masked Thugs are Russian Special Ops wearing Masks to disguise there Identifies.


9 posted on 05/01/2014 5:57:13 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: samtheman

All the Putin nutters are out of control on this site .

Imagine trying to fool posters calling these Russian KGB and Special Ops monsters there own people!
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10 posted on 05/01/2014 5:59:33 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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The best example of I’ve seen recently of this kind of thinking was an interview with a “journalist”, I forget what network — one journalist interviewing another “journalist” — and the interviewee was an American woman of Russian descent working for some US news network, speaking clear and perfect English but spewing pro-Putin propaganda word-for-word in a sickening display of mock-objectivity.


11 posted on 05/01/2014 6:03:42 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Putin has been peddling and disinformation for years now and his reach is deep into western media now.These staged photos of him shirtless are a great example.

He has set up an entire Internet smear / propaganda network that the Brit papers have written about while...

The US media spends it days working with Pres Jarret spinning alternative fantasy world they create for the Muslim Puppet while Putin marches into Europe .

Scary world.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 6:13:41 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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I’m not ‘peddling’ anything doofus, except ‘restraint’ in the face of a massive US government propaganda campaign.

The bearded Russian special op photos published in the NYT turned out to be a hoax didn’t they?

If you have evidence the insurrection in eastern Ukraine isn’t being run domestically present it.


13 posted on 05/01/2014 6:42:57 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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A translation of a comment I thought was insightful, from an Eastern Ukrainian. I got this from a very popular Ukrainian forum. (Donbass is the far eastern region of Ukraine)

I'm from the Donbass.

Let's be honest. Not Russia took Crimea, and Russia went to Crimea. You shall not covet this Crimeans themselves, hell would that Russia failed. I sincerely regret that I left the Crimea. But I completely understand Crimean why they did so.

Be different, be a Russian conquest, now would be to the east and Ukrainian troops introduced not really thinking. But why it is not in a hurry. And because in the east in the same Donbass completely different situation than in the Crimea.

In the east, strong pro-Russian sentiment, but it is more reluctance to war with Russia, on the contrary to be friends. Just be friends without going to Russia, while remaining a part of Ukraine. But while remaining part of the segregated. And the reasons for this are many. Fundamental differences from western Ukraine: language, religion, revered (and nepochitaemye) heroes, look at the history and relations with neighbors. Well, all this plus the constant accusations that the east all of a subsidized. Edakii dependent All Ukraine. Well duck flag in our hands. Enough to feed us, we will stew in their own juice and survive on their own.

West calls us constantly anyone: scoops miserable, morons, idiots, etc. According to them in the east live exclusively blunt hardworking proletarians, the fate of which stick to the hosts. Great - the inheritance of western Ukraine. East in your opinion - a kind place for lepers.

Even now, when the country was on the verge of collapse when people are broke and have adopted the methods of the maidan, the authorities are trying to pacify the old ways. And you support.

Your decision now - order east lay down their arms and settle down, threatening the use of force. Rather than negotiate and find a way that will save Ukraine. Keep up the good work, and tomorrow those who now only for federalization, very likely will be replaced by more radical views. God forbid that happen.

IMHO

14 posted on 05/01/2014 6:56:01 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: BurningOak

Putin is asking for Ukraine to withdraw
Ukrainian troops from
Ukraine ...
Them’s fightin’ words all right.


15 posted on 05/01/2014 7:00:49 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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“You seem unhappy the Ukrainian police/military is reluctant to open fire on their own people. “

You seem to be happy that a country is being overrun and systematically disintegrated. Why is that?


16 posted on 05/01/2014 7:24:05 PM PDT by KOZ.
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Sure ...

You are literally peddling all the Putin internet talking points and propaganda here.
and have the nerve to try to spread these lies here.

Putin is a KGB sociopath who used the same tactic in the Crimea using the same Masked thugs .

You are what Putin calls a useful idiot .
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17 posted on 05/01/2014 8:06:35 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: KOZ.

The Putin trolls here are just amazing.


18 posted on 05/01/2014 8:07:21 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

I don’t see the reason the Russians on here are so nostalgic for Stalin’s Soviet Empire.


19 posted on 05/01/2014 8:15:00 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: ncalburt

Yes, very scary world. Especially since so many Americans are totally oblivious to what’s out there (and coming here). They live their comfortable lives in their comfortable neighborhoods working their comfortable jobs... totally oblivious to the fact that it can (and might) all come crashing to an end.


20 posted on 05/01/2014 8:27:24 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: ncalburt

I’m still waiting for you to post some ‘evidence’ about Russians running the insurrection in eastern Ukraine.

Why don’t you ask John Kerry to borrow his copy...or maybe Ben Rhodes has it?


21 posted on 05/01/2014 8:30:28 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: ncalburt

Tick, tick, tick...

Still waiting for you to post some EVIDENCE that Russian Special ops are behind the insurrection in eastern Ukraine.


22 posted on 05/02/2014 3:29:41 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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