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Russia now an adversary, NATO official says
CBS ^ | May 1, 2014 | staff

Posted on 05/01/2014 6:41:20 PM PDT by bkopto

After two decades of trying to build a partnership with Russia, the NATO alliance now feels compelled to start treating Moscow as an adversary, the second-ranking official of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization said Thursday.

"Clearly the Russians have declared NATO as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner," said Alexander Vershbow, the deputy secretary-general of NATO.

In a question-and-answer session with a small group of reporters, Vershbow said Russia's annexation of Crimea and its apparent manipulation of unrest in eastern Ukraine have fundamentally changed the NATO-Russia relationship.

"In central Europe, clearly we have two different visions of what European security should be like," Vershbow, a former U.S. diplomat and former Pentagon official, said. "We still would defend the sovereignty and freedom of choice of Russia's neighbors, and Russia clearly is trying to re-impose hegemony and limit their sovereignty under the guise of a defense of the Russian world."

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1 posted on 05/01/2014 6:41:20 PM PDT by bkopto
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To: bkopto
Good treason. Acceptable treason. DNC treason. Obama treason.


2 posted on 05/01/2014 6:42:53 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: bkopto

Thank You Major General Obvious.


3 posted on 05/01/2014 6:43:08 PM PDT by AU72
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To: bkopto

Thanks you every Obama voter. And everyone who felt McCain/Palin wasn’t conservative enough AND SAT HOME; you own this as well.


4 posted on 05/01/2014 6:47:00 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: bkopto

Obama/Romney Debate 2012: Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9oVC-mGW8


5 posted on 05/01/2014 6:47:39 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: bkopto

6 posted on 05/01/2014 6:48:00 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: bkopto

When were they not, imbecile?


7 posted on 05/01/2014 6:48:54 PM PDT by John W (Summer of Recovery VI: This Time We're Serious)
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To: bkopto

I just did a search, `Russia declares NATO an adversary.’
Every hit was, `NATO declares Russia an adversary’.


8 posted on 05/01/2014 6:50:00 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Let us all “thank” Team Romney for attacking Gov. Palin
on the eve of Election 2008 for Obama, and
for attacking every real conservative during Election 2012.


9 posted on 05/01/2014 6:53:24 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

Despite naming the Russians as a potential problem, there’s nothing in Romney’s history that leads me to believe he would handle it much better than Obama.

As far as I’m concerned, this one is between the EU, Ukraine, and Russia.


10 posted on 05/01/2014 6:57:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Putin is not MY adversary. I’m sitting here singing Kumbaya.


11 posted on 05/01/2014 7:20:44 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz

I’m a lot more concerned about the dictator who threatens me every second of every day.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 7:22:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: bkopto

How did Romney know?


13 posted on 05/01/2014 7:36:38 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Diogenesis

So Romney’s that powerful and Palin that weak? Your monomania is showing.


14 posted on 05/01/2014 7:37:37 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t think Romney or McCain would have been quite so flexible. Neither hate America for starters.


15 posted on 05/01/2014 7:38:49 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

McCain is the idiot leading the charge for Obama’s war....again.


16 posted on 05/01/2014 7:43:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: 1010RD

It does not take power to have surrogates
stab a conservative in the back, like Romney,
or to go after conservative’s children, like Romney.

That is not power. That is cowardice, just
as Romney “fought” to be President — by giving up.


17 posted on 05/01/2014 7:47:39 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: bkopto

Any one who thought Russia was being paranoid about NATO’s expansion - the comments from a top NATO official have confirmed amply for Moscow its not a figment of its imagination.

You can bet Russia will resist the further expansion of the Western alliance in a bid to “contain” it.


18 posted on 05/01/2014 8:14:03 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Obama and Hillary screwed up the country... now Obama and Kerry are finishing up. Thanks Democrats - hope you enjoy the 30 pieces of silver you got for voting democrat.


19 posted on 05/01/2014 8:16:46 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: bkopto
"'Clearly the Russians have declared NATO as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner,' said Alexander Vershbow, the deputy secretary-general of NATO."

Obvious to the attentive for a long time now.

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Newsmax ^ | Thursday, 16 Jun 2011 09:05 AM | Ken Timmerman
"North Korea’s nuclear tests have been dismissed as failures by some analysts because of their low explosive yield. But Dr. Pry believes they bore the “signature” of the Russian-designed “super-EMP” weapon, capable of emitting more gamma radiation than a 25-megaton nuclear weapon. "


20 posted on 05/01/2014 8:26:57 PM PDT by familyop
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To: bkopto

Wow - I guess there really was a reset.


21 posted on 05/01/2014 8:35:19 PM PDT by Mr. Dough (Who was the greater military man, General Tso or Col. Sanders?)
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To: bkopto

Russia always was/is an adversary. Why would any one think otherwise?

” We will bury you!” - Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev.

They still are following that plan. Never mind that the bear appears friendly. It will arise and devour much meat so to speak.


22 posted on 05/01/2014 8:38:35 PM PDT by Redcitizen (When a zombie apocalypse starts, Chuck Norris doesn't try to survive. The zombies do.)
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To: bkopto

“the 80s are calling, they want their foreign policy back.”


23 posted on 05/01/2014 8:42:17 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: cripplecreek

Most presidents confronted by foreign enemies with war haven’t been more than figureheads making speeches. The real professionals in our military forces administer defense while only pretending to go along with the political correctness demanded by every side in civilian politics.

See lefties Wilson before WWI and Roosevelt before WWII. Wilson’s folks even ran his campaign on keeping the U.S. out of the war. There’s no staying out of wars initiated by foreign adversaries who indulge in expansionism, military buildups and repeated threats against us. They’re bullies.

That’s what bullies do, but there’s no hiding from them in the schoolyard or cheering their wrongful deeds to let them attack only other nations. They want to control the world and won’t stop without being stopped.

Putin has implied threats to nuke our country several times during the buildup of useless nuclear junk by his many flunkies. More recently, Russia is trying to expand and enslave other countries. It’s one of the most corrupt nations in the world.

CORRUPTION PERCEPTIONS INDEX 2013 (map)
http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/

So many folks will try to speak against defense, as many similar people did before the last two world wars. They’ll do so, until the foreign enemy buildups make those enemies proud enough to attack and try to conquer the world again—probably with nukes before long. It won’t make any difference except to make defense of our nation much more difficult and intense in the very near future. Such foreign enemy buildups and expansions happen quickly.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 8:46:11 PM PDT by familyop
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To: cripplecreek
Despite naming the Russians as a potential problem, there’s nothing in Romney’s history that leads me to believe he would handle it much better than Obama let Russia do whatever it wanted.

Fixed that for you.

25 posted on 05/01/2014 9:02:35 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: goldstategop
Any one who thought Russia was being paranoid about NATO’s expansion - the comments from a top NATO official have confirmed amply for Moscow its not a figment of its imagination. You can bet Russia will resist the further expansion of the Western alliance in a bid to “contain” it.

From your rhetoric, you'd think it was the EU that had annexed a part of Russia.

26 posted on 05/01/2014 9:04:16 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
In retrospect, I'm now glad that Obama won.

If McCain had won, Syria and Egypt would now be run by the Brotherhood, with more Christians being butchered.

And we'd be at war with Russia, a Christian defending country, pro family, anti Sharia, flat tax, etc.

The world now needs the likes of a defensive Russia more than ever, now that we have had our culture stolen.

27 posted on 05/01/2014 9:25:43 PM PDT by duckln
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To: bkopto

28 posted on 05/01/2014 9:45:16 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: bkopto

DUH....
Romney and Palin knew this long ago, but Obama and the media minions laughed at that idea.


29 posted on 05/01/2014 10:19:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: duckln

You did not see the Communist parade in Russia today, did you? The Russian Government sponsored a Communist rally on Red Square!


30 posted on 05/01/2014 11:18:31 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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not only that:

In S:t Petersburg

source: https://twitter.com/svaboda/status/461784538176585728/photo/1
31 posted on 05/02/2014 12:09:29 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

We can either deal w/ Russia now or we can deal w/ ‘em later. See Hitler at Munich.


32 posted on 05/02/2014 12:26:32 AM PDT by Bulgaricus1 (Fill your hand you son...)
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33 posted on 05/02/2014 3:09:05 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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"We still would defend the sovereignty and freedom of choice of Russia's neighbors, and Russia clearly is trying to re-impose hegemony and limit their sovereignty under the guise of a defense of the Russian world."

Speaking of sovereignty...when are those European "sovereigns" finally going to stand on their own two feet?

NATO has served its original purpose and the US taxpayer has been subsidizing European security far too long.

34 posted on 05/02/2014 5:14:03 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: goldstategop

” Any one who thought Russia was being
paranoid about NATO’s expansion -”

Nonsense. Russia is under no threat of attack, and NATO members are voluntary for their own security interests. Russia has shown a willingness to conquer territory.


35 posted on 05/02/2014 5:14:44 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: bkopto

36 posted on 05/02/2014 5:21:37 AM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: duckln

“In retrospect, I’m now glad that Obama won.”

“The world now needs the likes of a defensive Russia more than ever, now that we have had our culture stolen.”

I hope you were drinking heavily when you wrote your post.

McCain Palin would have been immensely better for this nation than what we have now.
No conservative should ever defend the resurrection of the Soviet Union. Americans will now die in a war somewhere as result of this.
Reagan broke these b@$tards; now that victory is being thrown away.
This would not have happened under a strong American President.


37 posted on 05/02/2014 5:44:11 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
No conservative should ever defend the resurrection of the Soviet Union

The Soviet Union dissolved 30 years ago, since then it has been a Democracy. They have been having elections just as long. I support that.

Reagan broke these b@$tards

Fine, now as a Democracy they are better off. Too bad he supported the terrorists in Afghan against the Soviets.


38 posted on 05/02/2014 6:44:15 AM PDT by duckln
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To: All

LOL

“Russia is now an adversary”

They always have been, you idiot. They’ve been taking advantage of Western “hope”, for a peaceful co-existence, and abusing a limp wristed Obama who still harbors his own hope for a Marxist USSR.


39 posted on 05/02/2014 7:28:24 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: duckln
“The Soviet Union dissolved 30 years ago, since then it has been a Democracy. They have been having elections just as long. I support that.”

As we are finding out; the Soviet Union still exists in many ways; or is being rebuilt. Putin is a thug with an agenda to re conquer territory. Who knows what his long term goals are. He is an enemy of freedom and the United States.
People need to wake up and realize this is a big deal and will involve us again.

40 posted on 05/02/2014 7:30:40 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Thunder90
Huh?

From what I read, the Unions and the people wanted a parade, not Putin, he hasn't had one in 30 years. For all I know he may not even attend.

Are you trying to tell me that big crowd in Moscow waving flags are die hard communists? They are not waving the hammer and cycle. They are waving their new Russian democratic flag.

By the way, every year in Ukraine, for many years they have a violent laded parade honoring Ukrainians who joined Hitlers' storm troopers in fighting against the Soviets and killing Jews. The US and Soviets defeated them once, and it seems like Russia a lone will have to do again.

I don't know why we and the EU enabled those fascists in Kiev.

Sadly, with all the programed haters around, the truth is being ignored.

41 posted on 05/02/2014 8:27:17 AM PDT by duckln
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To: rbmillerjr
They always have been, you idiot

And that's a good thing, because Putins' democratic government is the only thing, besides the Pope, that stands between us and sharia law, unlimited abortion, homo promotion , Christian annihilation, etc,etc.

What ever happened prior to 1990 is way in the past. We are now 30 years into the future.

Obama to the left of me, Putin to the right of me. I don't call people idiots.

42 posted on 05/02/2014 8:53:41 AM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln

I was calling the NATO General idiot, that is very clear as I didn’t address anybody else.

But your are incorrect, Russia is not a democratic government in any sense of the word. Get back to me on Putin’s 2024 re-election.

Having elections does not make one democratic. It is only democratic for Putin’s cronies who get all of the contracts and plush jobs. People are arrested for reporting anything negative on Putin.


43 posted on 05/02/2014 10:31:20 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr
Putins' '2024' re election?

Are you telling me, Putin with a 70% approval, wouldn't win reelection if held today? He had about the same when he did win it.

44 posted on 05/02/2014 10:57:20 AM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln

“Are you telling me, Putin with a 70% approval, wouldn’t win reelection if held today? He had about the same when he did win it.”

When you control the media, and arrest journalists who dare say negative things about you....and pay off cronies with hue contracts...hell yah, he could win election...again and again and again...as he has.


45 posted on 05/02/2014 11:23:16 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: duckln

“And that’s a good thing, because Putins’ democratic government is the only thing, besides the Pope, that stands between us and sharia law, unlimited abortion, homo promotion , Christian annihilation, etc,etc.”

That’s such an unbelievably asinine statement for a freeper to make. First of all, Russia is 6.5% muslim, compared to .6% in the US and the Russian government has been actively supporting Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah and many of the radical Islamist elements that we’ve been contesting internationally. The man is an atheist former KGB operative, not a righteous Christian soldier, and he oversees a shrinking country with some of the laxest abortion laws on earth that actually manages more abortions per year than the US despite having 40% of the population. It’s hard for me to believe there are people delusional enough to see Putin’s Russia as some sort of mythical society where abortion and Islam are banned, homosexuals are suppressed and Christianity is ascendant.


46 posted on 05/02/2014 12:29:37 PM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: duckln

Members of Russia's Communist party carry banners and flags, including the flag of the self-declared "People's Republic of Donetsk" (C), during a May Day rally in Moscow May 1, 2014. 
47 posted on 05/02/2014 12:33:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Blackyce
: Putin’s Russia as some sort of mythical society where abortion and Islam are banned, homosexuals are suppressed and Christianity is ascendant.

It's not mythical society, it's real. So with 6.5 percent, they are being terrorized and doing their best to contain it. They trade with Iran but IMO don't want them to have a bomb. Obama is banking on this and they rely on Putins' help, hence the caution of Obama in dealing with Putin, to his credit.

Supporting an elected brutal Assad in a religious war with the brotherhood Christian butchers is the best option. Russia does not IMO support Hamas with funds as we do, or Hezbollah.

They supported us going into Afghan. Lybia was a blunder. Now they are run by radicals.

You call him an atheist, he says he's not, wears a cross and goes to Church on occasion. Who are you to judge? Why join the hate mob.

The 'laxest' abortion laws are a result of a culture in depression for years. Putin bully pulpits for more religion, families, and babies. Obama does the opposite.

Putin said that we in America are descendant because we promote equating good and evil. But he said that Russian knows the difference. Quite profound I'd say, couldn't argue with that, could you?

48 posted on 05/02/2014 1:22:36 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Blackyce
: Putin’s Russia as some sort of mythical society where abortion and Islam are banned, homosexuals are suppressed and Christianity is ascendant.

It's not mythical society, it's real. So with 6.5 percent, they are being terrorized and doing their best to contain it. They trade with Iran but IMO don't want them to have a bomb. Obama is banking on this and they rely on Putins' help, hence the caution of Obama in dealing with Putin, to his credit.

Supporting an elected brutal Assad in a religious war with the brotherhood Christian butchers is the best option. Russia does not IMO support Hamas with funds as we do, or Hezbollah.

They supported us going into Afghan. Lybia was a blunder. Now they are run by radicals.

You call him an atheist, he says he's not, wears a cross and goes to Church on occasion. Who are you to judge? Why join the hate mob.

The 'laxest' abortion laws are a result of a culture in depression for years. Putin bully pulpits for more religion, families, and babies. Obama does the opposite.

Putin said that we in America are descendant because we promote equating good and evil. But he said that Russian knows the difference. Quite profound I'd say, couldn't argue with that, could you?

49 posted on 05/02/2014 1:25:05 PM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln

Putin is a Christian my ass. It’s all for show. He has the Orthodox Church in his pocket


50 posted on 05/02/2014 3:21:18 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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