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Generalís opinion on Benghazi draws a rebuke
Associated Press ^ | May 1, 2014 11:03 PM EDT | Deb Riechmann and Donna Cassata

Posted on 05/01/2014 8:59:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A retired U.S. general came under sharp criticism from a Republican committee chairman on Thursday after testifying that the Obama administration reacted weakly to the deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.

Retired Brig. Gen. Robert Lovell, the star witness at a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing, testified that U.S. forces “should have tried” to get to the outpost in time to help save the lives of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. He blamed the State Department for not making stronger requests for action.

A few hours later, the powerful chairman of the Armed Services panel, Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, R-Calif., challenged the testimony of Lovell, who was in U.S. Africa Command’s headquarters in Germany monitoring the attack. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benghazi; buckmckeon; genlovell; gopestablishment; hillary; liberalagenda; lovell; rino; robertlovell; rop

1 posted on 05/01/2014 8:59:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Bump


2 posted on 05/01/2014 9:00:25 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Olog-hai
The general "did not serve in a capacity that gave him reliable insight into operational options available to commanders during the attack, nor did he offer specific courses of action not taken," McKeon said.

The disagreement muddied a Republican attempt to raise fresh questions about the Obama administration's handling of the Sept. 11, 2012, assault by armed militants.

When Democrats need the trash taken out they seem to always be able to count on DC Republicans to lend a helping hand.

3 posted on 05/01/2014 9:05:51 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Olog-hai

I listened to part of Lovell’s testimony. I was amazed at his candor and apparent honesty. This whole thing of Benghazi has been saucered and blown as a full blown cover up of an arms running operation and a political ploy / grandstanding from almost the first day.

Why all the pussy footing around I don’t understand. It is an open and shut case and an open and shut crime.

McKeon sounds like a real pinhead.


4 posted on 05/01/2014 9:08:28 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Jet Jaguar

From the article:
“The unusual rebuke also pitted McKeon, who has said he was satisfied that the military did all it could, against Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., a House committee chairman who has doggedly pursued the question of whether the military was told to “stand down” on the night of the attacks.”


This is typical for CA Pubbies. It is either a circular firing squad like this case or totally idiotic moves with no planning. Small wonder that the Rats control every statewide office. And that is despite the Rats being far-left and deeply corrupt.

To show how bad things are here, the only reason the Pubbies have any relevance here is that the Rats had to throw out three state Senators for being convicted of corruption or being indicted for taking bribes and selling weapons to terrorists to finance their campaigns. That moved them (just) below the 2/3 level so now the Pubbies can possibly get some input into the budget. But you can count on them screwing that up and getting totally outmaneuvered by the Rats.

Despite this corruption, the Rats will almost certainly recover and win back their supermajority in the election this fall.


5 posted on 05/01/2014 9:13:23 PM PDT by fifedom
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To: Olog-hai; TigersEye

//””We have no evidence that Department of State officials delayed the decision to deploy what few resources the Defense Department had available to respond,” McKeon said. “Lovell did not further the investigation or reveal anything new, he was another painful reminder of the agony our military felt that night: wanting to respond but unable to do so.”//

40+ different Benghazi articles today.


6 posted on 05/01/2014 9:14:18 PM PDT by cyn
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To: Olog-hai

It sounds like old “Buck” is an Obama “republican” looking out for his massa.


7 posted on 05/01/2014 9:15:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: cyn

It’s like bubbling back to the surface.


8 posted on 05/01/2014 9:16:59 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: fifedom

Despite this corruption, the Rats will almost certainly recover and win back their supermajority in the election this fall …
That’s not what the liberal media’s saying. Why help their customary narrative to recover, when they are currently trying to defeat themselves?
9 posted on 05/01/2014 9:18:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

McKeon playing CYA since his committee pretty much whitewashed the whole thing?


10 posted on 05/01/2014 9:22:22 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Olog-hai
," McKeon said. "Lovell did not further the investigation or reveal anything new, he was another painful reminder of the agony our military felt that night: wanting to respond but unable to do so."

You need to pick up a copy of "Eyes On Target" by Scott McEwen and Richard Miniter, Bucky old boy. It's all there.

11 posted on 05/01/2014 9:23:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: cyn
Plenty of assets were in motion...

Here is a video of Rep. Chaffetz saying that Gen. Ham, commander of AFRICOM at that time, told him that assets were near enough to help and ready to go.

AFRICOM leader General Carter Ham was never given the order to secure the consulate in Benghazi. Youtube 1:43

Adm. James Lyons (Ret.) on Growing Benghazi Scandal

ADMIRAL LYONS: …All those comforting words that “We don’t want to put our forces at risk.” We had people at risk—they were crying for help! In a situation, you go with the resources you have available—and, in this particular case, we did have that 130-man Marine force recon team sitting there at Sigonella. Even if I only got 50 of them over there, that would have been significant in turning the situation around. We may not have been able to save the ambassador, but we certainly could have saved those other two SEALs that were over on the annex.

ADMIRAL LYONS: In perpetuating this lie, we also had administration officials lying to Congressional committees. That’s a felony. So, “What difference does it make?” It makes all the difference in the world. You cannot flaunt the truth here, just walk away from it and, basically, tell the American public to stuff it. That’s not acceptable.

The point on the organizing the two Marine anti-terrorist teams in Rota, that was good to go ahead and stand ’em up. What I find incomprehensible: The first team, it took them 23 hours to go a few hundred miles from Rota to Tripoli. I could go around the world in 23 hours, so that makes absolutely no sense to me.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the assets were in motion preparing to receive an order to go.

How the military preps.

How an embassy rescue works.

Cross Border Authority.

12 posted on 05/01/2014 9:28:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Olog-hai

I watched a good part of this and the general was obviously emotionally moved and concerned about what happened in Benghazi, but he did seem ambivalent in what he said, at one point saying more should and could have been done to rescue those under attack, but at another conceding as Cummings, as always trying to cover up for the administration rather than get to the truth, insisted that assets had been staged and moved into place in Europe and elsewhere. But at another time the general had said that there were signs that help was on the way, but then it “stopped” - the question is then why did it stop - why were those assets Cummings bragged on never brought to bear on the attackers - and who gave that order?????......


13 posted on 05/01/2014 9:34:06 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ
- the question is then why did it stop - why were those assets Cummings bragged on never brought to bear on the attackers - and who gave that order?????......

The question is "who didn't give the order?" Only one person can.

Only the POTUS had the authority to act!

0bama was notified immediately and automatically when the Benghazi consulate triggered the "Imminent Danger Notification System" alert. He did nothing.

Judge Jeanine Investigates Benghazi Gate Part 4 - 10/20/2012 video 6:53
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer (U.S. Army ret.), former CIA Station Chief Gary Berntsen and former CIA operative Mike Baker

They confirm everything Col. Hunt said about automatic notifications to the WH and add more details.

Howie Carr interview with Col. Hunt On The Newest Libyan Revelations audio 28:37

There are three scandals here...

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Denial of requests for security were a dereliction of duty. The lies and misdirection about the "video" after the attack were fraud and malfeasance under the color of authority. The inaction during the attack was something more than that.

The failure to act during the attack is the direct equivalent of desertion IMO.

ONE man had the authority to act that night.

ONE man deserted his post!

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

0bama abandoned his post. 0bama Is A Deserter!

0bama did nothing!!!

14 posted on 05/01/2014 9:38:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Sequoyah101
I have said this before... I think Ambassador Stevens was purposely left under protected so he could be captured in a prearranged deal. The president would make loud noises, the ambassador would be released, making O and Hillary look strong on foreign policy(their weak point) going into the final days of the election. Under the table, arms would be given to the terrorists. That is why no rescue was allowed. But two ex-seals stepped into the breach beyond duty, forcing the attackers to over play and kill everyone. Then, it was a scramble to find an excuse.
15 posted on 05/01/2014 11:10:20 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger

Do you think Mr. Stevens knew the plan you described was to take place in other words was he a willing victim?


16 posted on 05/01/2014 11:43:44 PM PDT by funfan
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To: funfan


I have said this before... I think Ambassador Stevens was purposely left under protected so he could be captured in a prearranged deal. The president would make loud noises, the ambassador would be released, making O and Hillary look strong on foreign policy(their weak point) going into the final days of the election. Under the table, arms would be given to the terrorists. That is why no rescue was allowed. But two ex-seals stepped into the breach beyond duty, forcing the attackers to over play and kill everyone. Then, it was a scramble to find an excuse. “

I have said it before too... This was an incompetently executed October surprise. And yes I think Mr Stevens knew the plan. But he was not a willing victim. It was not suppose to happen this way. In a bout of pure Hubris, Hillary and her Henchmen assembled this plan. There was suppose to be a Kidnapping, a standoff and the Big Zero was going to parade in at the last minute to be the Big Hero negotiator. Rescue his gay pal from zero’s terrorist buddies. It all went to hell when a couple of SEAL team members started shooting and defending the compound as they were trained to do. This plan reveals Incompetence, miscommunication, badly conceived, and then it was buried in a shallow grave.

The outlines of the scandal described here can be seen like a bloody sheet carelessly tossed over a battered corpse. You know what happened, but there is pretense to cover it.


17 posted on 05/02/2014 1:13:24 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: TigersEye

Another person who testified said that he never saw Obama in the Situation Room (where Bammy claimed to have been monitoring things) and in fact that Obama could not be found or contacted that night. I wish I could find that info. Someone posted it here yesterday.


18 posted on 05/02/2014 3:28:56 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

You can’t expect His Exalted Magnificence King Fubo (peace be upon him) to involve himself in such trivial matters as a dead ambassador. He needed his beauty rest so he could be sharp for the all important fundraiser the following day.


19 posted on 05/02/2014 3:35:34 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

T’anks.


20 posted on 05/02/2014 3:40:17 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: fifedom
Despite this corruption, the Rats will almost certainly recover and win back their supermajority in the election this fall.

I would have no problem with that if we can just get rid of the all the RINOs like those CA "Republicans" like the moron defending Obama in this piece. Let's have a real opposition party even if it is smaller at this point in time.

21 posted on 05/02/2014 3:42:25 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Samurai_Jack

Your theory is plausible, although I wouldn’t expect any plans by the administration to succeed, they are just too incompetent to anything right or wrong.


22 posted on 05/02/2014 3:44:18 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Olog-hai

McKeon is really old, like 143. He should have been termed-limited about 37 years ago. But at least he’s retiring.

Heritage only gives him a 43 rating, so it’s not like he’s a conservative stalwart.

He is a porkapotamus. His departure will have a materially favorable impact on our deficit.


23 posted on 05/02/2014 3:57:23 AM PDT by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
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To: Samurai_Jack

It all went to hell when a couple of SEAL team members started shooting and defending the compound as they were trained to do...I Distinctly remeber reading on Sept. 12th or 13th an interview from a hired guard who said “ One of the attackers ran up the compound and yelled ‘Don’t shoot! Don’t shoot! Dr. Morsi sent us!” I remember it because I’d never heard Morsi was a Dr. of anything. I Googled it found he was.


24 posted on 05/02/2014 3:59:15 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Nothing will come of this. I thought they had zer0 more than a couple of times over the last 5 years, but no. He will skate on this as well.
He has to many water carriers in the press that cover up anything.


25 posted on 05/02/2014 5:05:52 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Olog-hai

California Republicans used to be called Democrats.


26 posted on 05/02/2014 5:11:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
at one point saying more should and could have been done to rescue those under attack

I heard on Hannity's radio show yesterday that BG Lovell was a cog in the AFRICOM G2. That would likely mean he wasn't fully aware of what capabilities were available and where they were. Perhaps someone from the AFRICOM G3 should be brought in to testify? There should be no shortage of general officers, colonels, and lieutenant colonels who can testify as to the specifics of what was available and what specific orders were given (or not given) and by whom.

27 posted on 05/02/2014 5:12:00 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: funfan

That would be hard to believe but anything is possible with this bunch o’ bananas.


28 posted on 05/02/2014 5:14:12 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: livius
Another person who testified said that he never saw Obama in the Situation Room (where Bammy claimed to have been monitoring things) and in fact that Obama could not be found or contacted that night. I wish I could find that info. Someone posted it here yesterday.

Saw that as well - it's from Bret Baier interviewing someone who WAS in the Situation Room - if that helps.

29 posted on 05/02/2014 5:22:27 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Baier coming up on WMAL at 8:35

http://player.listenlive.co/26491


30 posted on 05/02/2014 5:31:02 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"He's grown in office."

/Progmode

31 posted on 05/02/2014 5:35:30 AM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ $0.05 cents a can.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I heard on Hannity's radio show yesterday that BG Lovell was a cog in the AFRICOM G2.

I agree with you the G3 should have been the one to testify. The G3 is the section responsible for operations and planning.

I'm no expert, though. However, I did stints on battalion staff during my tour in Germany: 6 months as Asst S-3, and 18 months as the S-4.

32 posted on 05/02/2014 5:44:21 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: don-o
Saw that as well - it's from Bret Baier interviewing someone who WAS in the Situation Room - if that helps.

No, it doesn't help. C'mon "dude", that was nearly two years ago...what difference does it make now?

Please note that my ire is not directed at you, don-o. How did that pinhead ever get the security clearance for his job?

33 posted on 05/02/2014 5:47:13 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: livius

I wish I could find that info. Someone posted it here yesterday.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/01/fmr_nsc_spokesman_tommy_vietor_obama_was_not_in_the_situation_room_during_benghazi_attack.html


34 posted on 05/02/2014 6:00:50 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: ArtDodger

Yes, but I have to wonder if Stevens only thought the was supplying arms.

This is just one strand in a web of intrigue that has been cast by this administration. Jarrett, obarry, soros, dorn, ayers et al are the strategists and the stupid dolt interviewed by Bret Bayer yesterday are the tactical pawns. Ignorant ideologues that either think they will be protected from prosecution forever or are too stupid to know what they are exposed to.

The likes of Stevens are the collateral damage.


35 posted on 05/02/2014 6:25:11 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101

My trouble with thinking Stevens was in the weapons running loop is that he was concerned about his safety and was asking for more security. Also, it would be easier to contain an information leak if he were in the dark. He was just, as you say collateral damage, or Lenin’s ‘useful idiot’.


36 posted on 05/02/2014 6:31:40 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Future Snake Eater
There should be no shortage of general officers, colonels, and lieutenant colonels who can testify as to the specifics of what was available...my impression from the way he talked was that Gen. Lovell wanted to be there testifying - up until now it's probably been difficult to get people in the know to come forward because of pressure from the administration and threats of retaliation - with the new and long-overdue special investigating committee, with Trey Gowdy let's hope in charge, that hopefully will change and we'll finally get people forced to give evidence under oath and subpoena if necessary......
37 posted on 05/02/2014 8:48:26 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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