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Slain German student’s father criticizes US (over guess what—“gun culture”)
Associated Press ^ | May 1, 2014 4:56 PM EDT | Kirsten Grieshaber and Bill Gorman

Posted on 05/01/2014 9:55:51 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The father of a 17-year-old exchange student shot dead in Montana departed the U.S. on Thursday after criticizing the nation’s gun culture and arranging for his son’s body to be flown back to Germany.

Celal Dede flew out of Missoula after securing the release of Diren Dede’s body, which was transported from Montana on Wednesday afternoon, German consulate spokeswoman Julia Reinhardt said.

Before he departed, Celal Dede told the German news agency DPA that he had never imagined his son could be shot for simply entering somebody’s property.

“America cannot continue to play cowboy,” Celal Dede said. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; direndede; germany; guncontrol; markuskaarma; turkey
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1 posted on 05/01/2014 9:55:51 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Isn’t this the kid who was burgling a house?


2 posted on 05/01/2014 9:57:23 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Olog-hai

There are about 120 other countries he could have chose to visit.


3 posted on 05/01/2014 9:59:39 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai

The dead kid was a Turk, not an ethnic German by the way.


4 posted on 05/01/2014 10:00:00 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Olog-hai

I think the prosecutor will have a hard time finding a grand jury that will indict.


5 posted on 05/01/2014 10:02:37 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Olog-hai

If you don’t like American Culture, then don’t send your burglarizing children here to be educated.


6 posted on 05/01/2014 10:03:23 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: BenLurkin

Yep


7 posted on 05/01/2014 10:06:00 PM PDT by dila813
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To: BenLurkin

He was in the garage and tripped alarms.

The father is trying to make it sound like his kid was just in the man’s back yard. I do not think they take kindly to strangers traipsing around one’s back yard in Germany either, much less the garage.


8 posted on 05/01/2014 10:06:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

You know what I don’t like? Deutschland’s anti homeschool culture.


9 posted on 05/01/2014 10:06:31 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Olog-hai
"I didn't think for one night that everyone here can kill somebody just because that person entered his backyard," Dede said.

except, he wasn't in the backyard. Note to foreign students: If you enter a building inadvertently and alarms go off, exit immediately with arms raised. Check the state and local laws of the community you wish to go to school at before you come. Don't break them and you will enjoy your stay here.

10 posted on 05/01/2014 10:07:17 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Olog-hai

Early Sunday, the sensors went off, and Kaarma and Pflager looked at the video feed and saw that someone was in the garage.

Kaarma went outside with his shotgun. He told investigators he heard a noise that sounded ‘like metal on metal,’ and he was afraid the intruder would come out and hurt him. He said he did not see anyone in the darkened garage and did not communicate with anyone before sweeping the garage with four shotgun blasts. Dede was struck in the head and arm and died at a Missoula hospital, court records said.

Kaarma told police he fired high to avoid hitting the car in the garage - but court records showed that three of four shots were aimed low.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615526/Montana-man-shoots-kills-17-year-old-German-exchange-student-wife-set-trap-burglars-garage.html#ixzz30X2TJMi8


11 posted on 05/01/2014 10:08:34 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Olog-hai

Unfortunately, daddy is an *sshole.

And he should have taught his dumb f*cking kid to stay out of other people’s homes.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 10:09:45 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Olog-hai

All this and yet illegal aliens continue to pour into America like water over Niagara Falls. What’s wrong with those people? Do they have a death wish or what? We’re a bunch of “cowboys”. (Except for Harry Reid who is a horse’s ***).


13 posted on 05/01/2014 10:10:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Olog-hai

Always identify your target before pulling the trigger.


14 posted on 05/01/2014 10:12:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: robowombat; All

Ironic that the shooter’s name was “Kaarma”...as in entering the garage was bad “karma”!


15 posted on 05/01/2014 10:16:19 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Olog-hai

Yada, Yada, yada, blame America and it’s gun culture. There are enough guns in Germany among its citizens that this is a ridiculous statement. Morons never blame the real reason for deaths, guns are just easy.


16 posted on 05/01/2014 10:17:45 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: P-Marlowe

> If you don’t like American Culture, then don’t send your burglarizing children here to be educated.

If he’d done a better job parenting his son wouldn’t have gotten shot because wouldn’t be stealing someone else’ $hit...: )


17 posted on 05/01/2014 10:21:21 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Olog-hai

You would think a homeowner in Montana of all places would be safe from foreign a-holes breaking into their garage. A warning to foreigners: there are more guns and attitudes in Texas than there are in Montana. Don’t like “cowboys”? Then stay the hell out!


18 posted on 05/01/2014 10:24:37 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Zhang Fei
> I think the prosecutor will have a hard time finding a grand jury that will indict.

19 posted on 05/01/2014 10:30:44 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001
> I think the prosecutor will have a hard time finding a grand jury that will indict. You're a bad man, Mister. A real bad man...: )
20 posted on 05/01/2014 10:32:39 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Olog-hai

All Jews should come together and condemn Germany’s ‘gas culture’. The man is a loon, and should be institutionalized.


21 posted on 05/01/2014 10:33:24 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: robowombat

“Kaarma told police he fired high to avoid hitting the car in the garage - but court records showed that three of four shots were aimed low.”

Well, I guess he knew where the car was so he knew where he could aim high/low and be safe. Too bad the dumbass kid was inside up to no good.


22 posted on 05/01/2014 10:34:58 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Olog-hai

Did he not know that there are guns in America before he came over here? He could have stayed in Europe where there are no murders.

We also have people that could have killed him with a hammer, or a baseball bat. Would that be preferable?

It’s sad he lost his son, but it’s not our “gun culture” at fault here, it’s evil people. This is a free country, and liberty is worth the risks.


23 posted on 05/01/2014 10:39:35 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Olog-hai

““America cannot continue to play cowboy,” Celal Dede said. …”

Don’t worry dipsh*t, obamatard is doing his best playing Indian.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 10:52:41 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai

“America cannot continue to play cowboy,” Then go home or go to Hell... whichever suits you. Just leave.


25 posted on 05/01/2014 11:06:24 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Mastador1

- 150 years ago someone would have hanged him…. and then shot him -


26 posted on 05/01/2014 11:46:41 PM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: Olog-hai

We just have to remember that the nazis did take the guns away.


27 posted on 05/01/2014 11:52:55 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Olog-hai
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28 posted on 05/02/2014 12:04:35 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Olog-hai

Diren Dede moments before he was shot and killed

29 posted on 05/02/2014 12:09:40 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Olog-hai

It took cowboys to turn off the ovens...like always.


30 posted on 05/02/2014 12:13:17 AM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: sagar

The nazi’s took the guns away from the Jews, not the ‘good Germans’. At least I read that somewhere.


31 posted on 05/02/2014 12:18:25 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Olog-hai

Can’t Russia invade them again yet?


32 posted on 05/02/2014 12:38:51 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Olog-hai

What if yo bebee boy had pulled the same thing in Switzerland ?

He’d be dead....still.

Sorry you lost your son.


33 posted on 05/02/2014 2:47:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Olog-hai

The press is intentionally not discussing the FACT that this kid was robbing the house.


34 posted on 05/02/2014 2:50:50 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Kaosinla

Great post!

Will use that in the future when talking to libs.


35 posted on 05/02/2014 3:13:57 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Kaosinla

Me, too.

“It took cowboys to turn off the ovens...like always.”

Good quote for future. Thanks, Kaosinla!


36 posted on 05/02/2014 3:36:25 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: Viennacon
All Jews should come together and condemn Germany’s ‘gas culture’. The man is a loon, and should be institutionalized.

The "German" is a Turkish Muslim immigrant to Germany.

Didn't you read the fatwa about the possessions of infidels being there for Muslims to take?

37 posted on 05/02/2014 3:51:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Olog-hai
Celal Dede told the German news agency DPA that he had never imagined his son could be shot for simply entering somebody’s property.

Stay outta my country, then, you freedom-hating German serf.

38 posted on 05/02/2014 4:11:58 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Olog-hai
“America cannot continue to play cowboy,” Celal Dede said. …

We're not playing.

39 posted on 05/02/2014 4:17:26 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: Olog-hai
Hey dumbass, your son was breaking INTO a home. We have the right to own guns and to defend ourselves.

I'm sick of these foreigners telling us how to run our country. Unfortunately, we do have a foreigner tell us how to live, his name is Obama.

40 posted on 05/02/2014 4:29:38 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: BenLurkin

I was wondering what the kid was doing in the guy’s garage.


41 posted on 05/02/2014 5:16:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: csvset

Thanks. That picture is worth a thousand words.


42 posted on 05/02/2014 5:22:28 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Born to Conserve
The press is intentionally not discussing the FACT that this kid was robbing the house.

I figured that the AP would have left that out of their story. I didn't read it for two reasons: I didn't want to give them a hit and I didn't want my blood pressure raised.

43 posted on 05/02/2014 5:51:25 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Little Ray

“I was wondering what the kid was doing in the guy’s garage.”

Look at post #29. He had a flashlight. He did not accidently stray into the garage from the street. He was on a mission to steal something. BANG! Good riddance.


44 posted on 05/02/2014 6:16:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic
Maybe the father should criticize his bad parenting for raising a thief.
45 posted on 05/02/2014 6:20:52 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: TexasRepublic
Neah. Can't bait ‘em.
But the only thing he should be convicted of is “discharging a firearm within city limits” or “creating a public nuisance.”
46 posted on 05/02/2014 10:16:11 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: TexasRepublic
Neah. Can't bait ‘em.
But the only thing he should be convicted of is “discharging a firearm within city limits” or “creating a public nuisance.”
47 posted on 05/02/2014 10:16:14 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Olog-hai

The jerk should have taught his kid not to break into other people’s homes and property.


48 posted on 05/02/2014 10:23:00 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Little Ray

Cops can bait them. Why different rules for cops and civilians? If it was not them, it would have been someone else victimized.

This is proper use of a firearm.


49 posted on 05/02/2014 10:42:45 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Actually, I don’t think cops can bait crooks. It is called “entrapment.” Rememer Abscam?


50 posted on 05/02/2014 12:11:30 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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