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Judge says sexually assaulted 14-year-old 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'
Dallas Morning News ^ | May 01, 2014

Posted on 05/02/2014 5:06:16 AM PDT by Wolfie

Judge says sexually assaulted 14-year-old 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

A man sentenced to five years probation by a Dallas County judge after admitting he raped a 14-year-old girl won’t have to follow many of the restrictions typically given to sex offenders.

And the judge who issued the light sentence said Thursday that she did so in part because the girl wasn’t a virgin and “wasn’t the victim she claimed to be.”

State District Judge Jeanine Howard, who gave 20-year-old Sir Young deferred probation last week, also altered Young’s probation requirements. As a result, Young does not have to stay away from children, attend sex offender treatment, undergo a sex offender evaluation or refrain from watching pornography.

While not required by law, these are typical probation requirements for rapists that are intended to prevent future victims and rehabilitate offenders.

District Attorney Craig Watkins said Thursday that his prosecutors would “always fight for our most vulnerable victims” like the one in this case. It is rare for prosecutors to critique a judge’s actions, but Watkins said he was “alarmed” by Howard’s decision.

“This young lady was 14 at the time she was sexually assaulted at school, and we cannot send the wrong message to rape victims who have the courage to seek justice,” Watkins said. “I am disappointed the judge would choose to give the defendant probation after he admitted guilt, but even more alarmed the judge failed to impose standard sex offender conditions of probation designed to protect society.”

Howard, a Democrat who will be unopposed in November as she seeks a third term, said in an interview late Thursday with The Dallas Morning News that she planned to recuse herself from the case so she could speak about her decision.

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1 posted on 05/02/2014 5:06:17 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Some of these old judges would make good Muslims, who think rape is always the fault of the raped. Next, they’ll require two male witnesses in order to file charges.

These judges need to be fired.


2 posted on 05/02/2014 5:08:42 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Wolfie

She was 14!!!! This judge should be removed and disbarred.


3 posted on 05/02/2014 5:10:26 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Wolfie

No way am I going to comment on this without knowing a lot more detail. I am not saying this is the case here, but for instance if she misrepresented her age and the accused thought it was consensual because of that, I can see where sex with a minor would still be a crime but the charge of “sex offender” would be overboard.

On the other hand, if this wasn’t statutory rape but rather “rape rape” as some dimwit leftist once called it, I can’t see any justification for lessening terms.

In other words, it’s all in the details.


4 posted on 05/02/2014 5:10:51 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: kevkrom

A 14 year-old cannot give consent for sex anymore than they can sign a contract to buy real estate.


5 posted on 05/02/2014 5:12:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

I know that, which is why it would still be a criminal act. But if the accused was misled to believe that she was of age and was consenting, that should factor into the severity of the punishment, should it not?


6 posted on 05/02/2014 5:14:14 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Wolfie

Me thinks some of these judges are perverts & pedophiles themselves. They should be disbarred. Shame on Texas.


7 posted on 05/02/2014 5:15:46 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: kevkrom

This case seems more complicated to me. The girl was 14 and the boy was 17 at the time. She texted him that she wanted to spend time with him and have sex with him but not at school. The girl had already had a child. Before I get flamed.. hear me out. If this is more of a “he said, she said, she got caught having sex and changed her mind”... why ruin someone’s life with a sexual predator identity? I am all for seeing that rapists get what they deserve; however, this case has a lot of oddities in it IMHO.


8 posted on 05/02/2014 5:16:08 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: kevkrom
The accused plead guilty to rape.

A man sentenced to five years probation by a Dallas County judge after admitting he raped a 14-year-old girl

9 posted on 05/02/2014 5:17:11 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: momtothree

See Post #9. He admitted to the crime.


10 posted on 05/02/2014 5:17:45 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: AppyPappy

But she was old enough to already have a baby?


11 posted on 05/02/2014 5:18:12 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: kevkrom

Considering it happened at school, no.
The problem is that the 14 year-old cannot give consent, even if the other party thought they could give consent. It’s a good reason not to have sex with people that could be underage.


12 posted on 05/02/2014 5:19:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Wolfie

13 posted on 05/02/2014 5:20:25 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Wolfie

The article isn’t clear to me. Did he admit to a “rape” as part of an agreement or did he truly force her physically to have sex? As usual with today’s articles... I can never get a clear cut picture out of it.


14 posted on 05/02/2014 5:21:08 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Wolfie
I'm not defending the guy. I do feel the girl has a right to be protected, whatever her actions.

But why doesn't someone identify an underlying, much too common problem here? Once a student is 18 at the beginning of an academic year, they should not be allowed to have any contact with the younger students, if they're allowed in the school during normal hours at all.

I've been to some schools that isolate the Freshmen from the rest of the school. A few even separate the Grade 9 boys and girls, and keep a very close eye on the protection of the girls from upperclass boys. It's a real good idea in some environments, and it works.

15 posted on 05/02/2014 5:21:14 AM PDT by grania
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To: momtothree

Having a baby would still not allow her to sign a real estate contract. She cannot legally say “Yes”. You cannot say “This 14 year old can consent to sex but this one cannot”.


16 posted on 05/02/2014 5:22:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Wolfie

I’m not saying he isn’t guilty. Show me where I said he wasn’t guilty.

The problem with reading a news article is that “rape” as in “hold a knife to someone’s throat and forcibly have intercourse with them” and “rape” as in “your girlfriend wasn’t the legal age when you boinked her” are both reported as simply “rape”. Without more detail, it’s impossible to know which case it is.

Nor am I trying to suggest that I know the details of this particular case. I am only throwing out a hypothetical that says the judge might not be completely crazy here, depending on the specific circumstances.


17 posted on 05/02/2014 5:23:11 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Wolfie

War on women!


18 posted on 05/02/2014 5:25:20 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: AppyPappy

Believe me... I see and understand your point. Unfortunately, I see and hear about a lot of the 14 and 15 year old girls at our local high school. Some of them text boys they like and give BJ’s in the hallway or under the bleachers. Our local high school had an incident where a girl cried “rape” after coming home late. A party with alcohol served.. and a video where she willingly “did” several guys.. apparently laughing the entire time. The investigation stopped after the video surfaced. It is a terrible situation with morality today and that is why I try to look for the clearness of the case.


19 posted on 05/02/2014 5:25:37 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: FES0844

“The girl’s mother said it seems like the judge “didn’t want to ruin” Young’s life. “But what about my daughter’s life?”.......

From what I read, assuming it is all true, the girls life was well on its way toward “ruin” long before this guy supposedly “raped” her.


20 posted on 05/02/2014 5:26:12 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Wolfie

So raping non-virgins is ok? That’s what this judge is saying?


21 posted on 05/02/2014 5:26:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: momtothree

She can laugh but if she is underage, a crime has been committed.
The exploitation of minors has become epidemic. If we are going to allow minors to have sex, we should also allow them to obtain credit cards under their name. What could possibly go wrong?


22 posted on 05/02/2014 5:29:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: grania
Once a student is 18 at the beginning of an academic year, they should not be allowed to have any contact with the younger students, if they're allowed in the school during normal hours at all.

That would be impossible to do; however, many states have so called Romeo laws, which acknowledge that there is a big difference between a 17 year old having sexual relations and with someone who is 18 vs 40. These laws generally put a 2 year window on age that overrides statutory rape laws.

There is a lot of difference in maturity between kids 14-18. Some 18 year olds look like children and some 14 year olds look like adults (especially with makeup).

IMHO, any adult that is over 20 shouldn't be dating someone in HS, although the level of maturity is overlapping.

23 posted on 05/02/2014 5:31:52 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: AppyPappy

This is the next sexual behavior boundary that the left will seek to destroy.


24 posted on 05/02/2014 5:34:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Wolfie

“If Young complies with the terms of his five-year probation, he will not have a criminal conviction on his record.”


25 posted on 05/02/2014 5:34:27 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: grania

IMHO.. it made more sense to have middle school from grades 7-9 and high school grades 10-12. They use to have that type of arrangement in our county years ago. When you look at the incoming Freshman class vs the Senior class.. the age/maturity disparity is quite noticeable.


26 posted on 05/02/2014 5:36:40 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Wolfie

First the Ethan Couch case . . . now this. We know the Couches had plenty of money. What did “Sir” Young’s family offer?


27 posted on 05/02/2014 5:38:02 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: SampleMan
I agree with you about the difficulty of defining actions as always being rape in today's excuse of a civilization. I disagree that it would be "impossible to do".

Some of the urban high schools have done that around here. A few of them have totally separate academies for the 9th graders, in different buildings. Two of them that have their 9th graders keep the boys and girls segregated, and the directions are if an upperclass boy even looked inside those grade 9 girls' classrooms, call security.

The most impressive thing is that when rules are strict, no exceptions, no favoritism, the kids, both young girls and older guys, accept them with grace and humor (I'm not being sarcastic)

28 posted on 05/02/2014 5:40:41 AM PDT by grania
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To: Wolfie
I see where this is going . . . a fourteen year-old girl virgin gets drunk at a party and has sex with three guys.

The first guy gets 20 years, because the girl was a virgin and too young to give legal consent.

The second guy gets 10 years, because he, too, committed statutory rape, but the girl was no longer a virgin even though she was still too young to give legal consent.

The third guy gets probation, because by his turn, the girl was a slut who was too young to give legal consent.

29 posted on 05/02/2014 5:40:59 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: momtothree

Assuming your facts about the case are accurate, I agree with your contention the Judge may have been correct.

Often laws are written with too broad a brush.


30 posted on 05/02/2014 5:41:21 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: AppyPappy

Those under 18 can sign a real estate contract, it just isn’t enforceable until they turn 18.

I bought my first home at the ripe old age of 16.


31 posted on 05/02/2014 5:42:24 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Actually, you didn’t because it didn’t go into effect until you were 18.

I passed EMT certification when I was 17. It didn’t go into effect until I turned 18 so I wasn’t an EMT until I was 18.


32 posted on 05/02/2014 5:44:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

I had a legal contract.


33 posted on 05/02/2014 5:47:59 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: AppyPappy

“She can laugh but if she is underage, a crime has been committed.
The exploitation of minors has become epidemic. If we are going to allow minors to have sex, we should also allow them to obtain credit cards under their name. What could possibly go wrong?”

Well the law as far as I can tell doesn’t treat classical rape any different from consensual sex. Both were minors at the time, just that the guy was 17 and old enough to be prosecuted.

Now should this guy be listed on some sex offender registry that treats him the same as child molesters or guys who rape women against their will? I think not: The crimes are just not the same as what he did. He was stupid, but it sounds like this young girl offered herself on a platter to be used.


34 posted on 05/02/2014 5:49:29 AM PDT by BJ1
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To: AppyPappy

That is because the age requirement for an EMT is 18.


35 posted on 05/02/2014 5:50:03 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: momtothree

36 posted on 05/02/2014 5:51:01 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

If you would have asked me four years ago.. my opinion may have been different. However, I’ve seen and heard (and even read some of the texts shown to me). Granted, there were always “loose” girls. My parents told me stories of the “loose girls” in high school back in their days. However, today.. all bets are off. Yes.. there are the good girls still but a lot and I mean A LOT of the high school girls are using sex like you and I would chew gum. They like a boy and offer themselves. I don’t know.. maybe Sex in the City and our modern day culture of do whatever feels good plays into all of this. However, it still takes two to tango. If a high school girl offers and a high school boy accepts.. is it really justice to punish just the boy? If punishment was used.. both parties should be punished. ***As for that picture.. if she was my daughter... well, call Social Services now. :)


37 posted on 05/02/2014 5:58:50 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: AppyPappy
If we are going to allow minors to have sex ...

As post 23 points out, we do allow minors legally to have sex. The 14-year-old child, boy or girl, who is incapable of consenting to sex at 11:45 p.m., because the potential partner is 20, miraculously becomes capable of consenting at 11:47, because the other party is 15.

38 posted on 05/02/2014 6:09:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'd forgotten how much fun it is having a dog.)
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To: Wolfie

She was a minor - the guy needs removed from society


39 posted on 05/02/2014 6:15:00 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Wolfie

Vladimir Nabokov would agree with the judge.


40 posted on 05/02/2014 6:20:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: kevkrom

She was willing to have sex with him but not at her school. She met him in a music room to kiss and told him no to sex there. He went ahead anyway. He pleaded guilty.

The sentence is a joke. OTOH it is ridiculous for him to be ordered to keep away from children the rest of his life - he does not appear to be a pedophile - he raped a physically mature girl who had already had several sexual relationships and was already a mother.


41 posted on 05/02/2014 6:22:57 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: momtothree
Article says he was "barely 18." Not 17.

And he confessed. So there was no "he said, she said." No means no, and rape is rape.

42 posted on 05/02/2014 6:25:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification, I hope. (Scratches head.))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My question was did he confess to a lesser charge vs going to trial and facing 25 years. People confess all the time to plea arrangements. The article still isn’t very clear to me.


43 posted on 05/02/2014 6:29:13 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Wolfie

We don’t know all the details.


44 posted on 05/02/2014 6:33:09 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: grania
Perhaps semantics, but I read your original post as suggesting separating 18-yr-olds from everyone else, not 9th graders from everyone else.

The latter is quite possible and often done simply by combining 7-9th in middle school.

I would stand by the former being impossible though, as 17 and 18 year olds need to be attending the same classes.

45 posted on 05/02/2014 6:36:21 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: samtheman

The judge might be saying she has information indicating the sex was consentual and she it was corroborated by a history of consentual sex acts.


46 posted on 05/02/2014 6:45:33 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: momtothree

True the article isn’t clear. That seems par in today’s “journalism”.


47 posted on 05/02/2014 6:45:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Sanity is the adequate response of the mind to the real thing: adaequatio mentis ad rem.)
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To: mac_truck

This Democrat has two daughters, unbelievable ............... her sensitivity is overwhewming .... hope she thinks better of her daughters than the victim.
Ah the Democrap War on Women just goes on and on.... a la Clinton. I guess I shouldn’t be too hard on her, undoubtedly she was whoring for the local Black vote.


48 posted on 05/02/2014 7:06:42 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: AppyPappy

Amuse yourself.

Find “The Maury Show’ on TV & see how many of these 14 y/o ‘girls’ already have willingly had multiple sex partners.

One ‘lady’ on that show has already had 10 men given 15 DNA tests to find the ‘fathers’ of her 2 kids. Still don’t have the right fathers.

Another 18 y/o ‘man’ was dragged onto the show for DNA test for an 18 month old child birthed by a ‘lady’ who was just under 18. If I do the math, she was about 15 when she got knocked up.

The 18 y/o ‘man’ admitted happily under all the hoopla that he already had been determined to have 17 SEVENTEEN other kids!!! This DNA test would determine his fatherhood of the 18th!!! And he is ONLY 18 himself.

Someone convince me that all these children are NOT being supported by the taxpayers.

You cannot make this stuff up.


49 posted on 05/02/2014 7:09:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: dangerdoc

You’re right. And as another poster said, this is a typical poorly written story in which the details are as clear as mud. I was jumping to a conclusion and I take it back.


50 posted on 05/02/2014 7:10:56 AM PDT by samtheman
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