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Posted on 05/02/2014 7:53:13 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
Many pro-Russia rebels have been killed, injured and arrested in the Ukrainian government offensive in the eastern city of Sloviansk, interim president Oleksandr Turchynov has said.
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So how come its now okay for the Ukrainian govenment to kill protesters?
They are Russian soldiers without insignia, not protestors.
They were firing rifles at Ukrainian troops, not playing acoustic guitars.
Why are all of Putin's boyfriends infesting FR?
Will “The Great ObamaNation” get us involved in another war in a country that is even more inaccessible than Afghanistan?
The Ukrainians are moving ahead with their offensive in Eastern Ukraine against the pro-Russian, and probably Russian armed and supported, rebels. This despite the large Russian military presence/buildup immediately to their East.
Either they are desperate and willing to bet that either the Russians will not come across the border, or that the West will help them if the Russians do.
Or...they know something we do not, and perhaps agreements are already in place and forces already on alert and prepared to come to their aid if the Russians do act. I’d like to hope the Europeans would be willing to do this in support of the Urkaine...and the US too...but I would be very surprised if under the current leadership in France, the UK, GErmany and the US this were the case.
But you never know.
The Ukrainians continuing an offensive against pro-Russian seperatists is just too reminiscent of the trap Georgia fell into in 2008 when the Georgian forces did the same and then the Russians invaded. The Ukraine saw that happen, soo you have to know that they are accutely aware of the danger.
When the “protesters” are armed and many of them are actually soldiers of a foreign power, the answer is “yes”.
Since they were shipped in by the Russians probably.
Ludicrous— try looking at a map.
The BBC reported that Right Sector forces and others like them were quite instrumental in the overthrow of the former gov’t and quite violent in doing so. From what I have heard, quite e few of those attacked and possibly killed were cops.
As it turns out, the “protestors” apparently came up with a drum circle so intense that it knocked two Ukrainian helicopters out of the sky with RPGs.
I doubt they are 'protestors' but are actually Putin's minions sent out to take over the country.
Let me guess...you are a Ron Paul fan?
Yeah, according to the interwebs the Ukraine borders this weird country called "Poland."
Have you ever heard of it?
No way we have any security agreements with them, right?
“Will The Great ObamaNation get us involved in another war in a country that is even more inaccessible than Afghanistan?”
WTF? 99.99% of FR wanted the Afghanistan war seconds after 9/11. Are you claiming to be a peacenik now?
There was no “over throw”. It was a parliamentary vote which replaced the Russian oligarchs who had fled back to Russia with their loot after they ordered the execution of Ukrainian protesters.
With Obama there are two likely possibilities, the Kyiv government would rely assurances and then Obama would then leave them hanging out when they needed help, or Obama would involve the US in a hot war if he saw domestic political advantage to distract from his myriad failures in the US.
After the previous government had murdered dozens of unarmed, actual protestors.
Sorry, BBC guy.
Don’t forget about the Black Sea. Our military has access to it.
Soros has invested heavily in Ukraine. Based upon that, radicals apparently have designs for Ukraine.
Given this, and post #9, and Obama botching pretty much all foreign policy that he is involved in (LIbya (Benghazi!!!), Syria, Egypt, etc) no matter how little it may be (and he has to be involved with/in Ukraine at least to some degree) I think we should stay out of this.
Interventionists, Soronistas, and McCainiacs may disagrre, though
Everything you post is like a mashup of Alex Jones and the KGB (oh, sorry “FSB”).
Oh, of course he has.
What has he invested in, specifically?
How much has he spent, exactly?
Where did you get this information?
I don't use the word "ignorant" very often. However, this is a clear instance of an ignorant statement.
Hey, all I want is the U.S. to stay out of this. The past few years (Benghazi, possibly getting real close to the WH arming syrian “rebels” and the mess of Egypt with the “highly secular” Muslim Brotherhood being supported by the WH in Egypt, (and the long Middle East wars fought by the U.S. before them) I think its time to put the brakes on the interventionism.
While they may not constitute the majority of the fighters, they seem to be the most brazen, and perhaps like the Syrian elements that McCain photo opted with who were the ones that seemed to be the most hardened, perhaps it would be wise to stay out of this.
Some at FR want to ride the Dr. StrangeMcCain rocket, though.
Soronistas and McCainiacs unite!
Given your direct ad hominem post in #20, I’ll only give you the EuroMaidian PR interview of Soros to peruse through. Google it. It is quite easy to find.
It is a good start for you though, to finally become enlightened on this issue.
My impression is that you want Russia to annex Ukraine, which is what will happen if we stand aside. Providing Ukrainians are willing to fight, we can prevent Russia from taking over by giving them $1b or so in weaponry a year. Not even big ticket items - LAW's, Javelins and Stingers to bleed the Russians. Obviously, a little training in the basics of constructing IED's and carrying out RPG ambushes against Russian convoys and patrols would go a long way. These are our casualties from Iraq:
If Ukrainians are able to send 100 Russians home in body bags a month, I expect Russian public opinion will eventually buckle and force Putin to do a U-turn.
While I am sure that the Ukraine has always had, and will always have, its share of bad actors - it is a colorful sideshow for a press that is easily distracted by shiny objects.
The Ukrainian population - left, right, and center - used constitutional means (free speech and impeachment) to rid themselves of a government whose theft and oppression had become intolerable.
Yeah, an illegal "vote" by rump parliament with half the members running for their lives and the other half surrounded by a mob of firebomb throwing Neo-Nazis.
I assume you mean EuroMaidan.
That's a very well-known interview.
In it, Soros does not say anywhere that he has invested a single dollar in Ukraine.
You say, and I quote, "he has invested heavily in Ukraine."
Yet you have no proof of any kind.
This is part and parcel of the bizarre trend among self-professed "conservatives" (like Glenn Beck) to feed Soros' ego and aspirations.
He is a lot less important that either he or many FReepers give him credit for.
Whatever the legitimacy of the vote, it's not for Russia to attempt to annex the country, any more than it would be legitimate for the US to annex Canada because of a rigged vote. Nobody has any issues with Russia protesting the vote. It's Russia's annexation of the Crimea and its attempt to annex the Ukraine that is drawing criticism and potential military aid to Ukraine.
Let me ask you a question point-blank. If Russia annexes Ukraine and an insurgency springs up, should we supply the insurgents?
And I was the one who put the interview thread here on FR, not you. Got it?
I gave you that and that alone because that was a good start for you, because it shows what he thinks about Ukraine. Why should I do more and cast my pearls before swine, given your previous leftist-style ad hominem laced posts before that post?
And thanks to Beck we know a lot more about Soros than we would had it not been for Beck.
Soros gave big $$$ to Media Matters, and has contributed to Democrats, and yet you downsize how he does not help conservatives by putting conservative in “’s when it comes to Beck, and in other ways.
Go find some pro-Rino, pro-McCain, pro-global cop thread that you will feel quite comfortable on.
Why should U.S. forces cross over from Poland into Ukraine?
Yes, we must always abide by our NATO allaince agreements and I wholeheartedly support this, but NATO is a DEFENSIVE charter, and Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO.
Libya wasn’t a NATO member, and we got the Benghazi atrocity for it...
No. We should support the Russians against the Globalists backed junta in Kiev. Just like we should be supporting Assad against the Globalists backed Al Qaeda foreign takeover of Syria instead of giving the Christian slaughtering Al Qaeda foreign mercenaries advance weapons including anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.
You're basically a supporter of Russian imperialism. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
Possibly the Ukraine sees its freedom dying under the Russian boot one way or the other and they’ve decided to go out fighting.
Which side would Soros support?
Russians should be fighting the muslim terrorists running wild all over their own territory, but instead the psychotic Putin has sent them to invade and pillage the lands of Russia's Christian neighbors. What a disgrace.
Inaccessible? Ukraine is bordered by Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Modova, as well as Russia.
I'm not making an argument for U.S. action one way or the other, but Ukraine is not remote in a post-Iron Curtain Europe.
Far from being a "rump", it had far more deputies than the constitutionally required quorum and a supermajority of them voted to impeach.
So all those nations that are dependent on Russian fossil fuels are going to join Obama in this adventure?
They're dependent on it the way the average consumer is dependent on Walmart to buy cheap groceries. The gas is cheap, but they're not about to sacrifice Ukraine, which is a vital buffer state, just for cheap gas. And that is why they're beginning to push back against Putin's imperial ambitions.
In addition, I don't know why you characterize this as Obama's adventure: he is desperately trying to avoid any involvement possible besides the rhetorical support for Kiev he finds necessary to dampen political fallout from his malevolent cravenness.
I'm sure Obama (like much of the treasonous American left) would love to see a return of the Warsaw Pact as a check on American power-- he just hasn't found a politically palatable way to get the American people to swallow that turd.
These aren't Russians. They're Soviets cloaked in red, white and blue.
Assad sent thousands of jihadis to kill American soldiers in Iraq. And you support him. Thanks for the peak under your mask.
ManyThe murderer Putin is now demanding a meeting of the UN Security Council, trying to blame Ukraine for defending its sovereignty from Russian invasion, occupation, and aggression.
pro-Russia rebels[of Putin's terrorists] have been killed, injured and arrested in the Ukrainian government offensive in the eastern city of Sloviansk, interim president Oleksandr Turchynov has said.
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Russian soldier without insignia are pirates / illegal combatants, and may be killed without consideration.