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How the 'Jesus' Wife' Hoax Fell Apart
WSJ ^ | 5/1/14 | Jerry Pattengale

Posted on 05/02/2014 9:16:57 AM PDT by Kartographer

Then last week the story began to crumble faster than an ancient papyrus exposed in the windy Sudan. Mr. Askeland found, among the online links that Harvard used as part of its publicity push, images of another fragment, of the Gospel of John, that turned out to share many similarities—including the handwriting, ink and writing instrument used—with the "wife" fragment. The Gospel of John text, he discovered, had been directly copied from a 1924 publication.

"Two factors immediately indicated that this was a forgery," Mr. Askeland tells me. "First, the fragment shared the same line breaks as the 1924 publication. Second, the fragment contained a peculiar dialect of Coptic called Lycopolitan, which fell out of use during or before the sixth century." Ms. King had done two radiometric tests, he noted, and "concluded that the papyrus plants used for this fragment had been harvested in the seventh to ninth centuries." In other words, the fragment that came from the same material as the "Jesus' wife" fragment was written in a dialect that didn't exist when the papyrus it appears on was made.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antichristianbigotry; bible; christians; hoax; jesuswifehoax
For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. Luke 8:17
1 posted on 05/02/2014 9:16:57 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: OneVike; Jane Long; dragonblustar; goodnesswins; Waryone; TNoldman; chicagolady; BraveMan

PING!!


2 posted on 05/02/2014 9:17:43 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Having evaluated the evidence, many specialists in ancient manuscripts and Christian origins think Karen King and the Harvard Divinity School were the victims of an elaborate ruse. . . .

It is perhaps understandable that Ms. King would have been taken in when an anonymous owner presented her with some papyrus fragments for research.

Victims of an elaborate ruse? Or committed an elaborate ruse? Funny that the NY Times was brought in on it, and it was released just in time for the usual atheist attack on Easter.

And who is this "anonymous owner"? Don't we deserve to know that, so we can trace this scam back to its origins?

3 posted on 05/02/2014 9:25:48 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Kartographer

We can all see what is happening here. The Pope got to them.


4 posted on 05/02/2014 9:26:28 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for posting. I’ve been following this story.

It was pretty clear from the beginning to everyone but the liberals at Harvard and their ilk that this was a hoax.

I’m glad to see that it has now been conclusively established while Harvard has egg on its face and some explaining to do.

Will Dr. King reveal her “source”? We shall see.


5 posted on 05/02/2014 9:28:57 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Kartographer

Kinda like using “African” for race on a bc when that term was not used back in 1961, lol.


6 posted on 05/02/2014 9:29:32 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (No Mo (zilla). I'm going to the Opera instead.)
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To: Kartographer
15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings [c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter

2 Thessolonians 2:15

7 posted on 05/02/2014 9:36:48 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Kartographer

Libs will never accept this. They still claim, even though it’s been proven wrong, that the carbon dating of the Shroud proves that it’s fake.


8 posted on 05/02/2014 9:38:39 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Kartographer
Then last week the story began to crumble faster than an ancient papyrus exposed in the windy Sudan.

haha!

9 posted on 05/02/2014 9:41:14 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Kartographer
What is harder to understand was the rush by the media and others to embrace the idea that Jesus had a wife and that Christian beliefs have been mistaken for centuries.

I don't see why that is hard to understand.

10 posted on 05/02/2014 9:46:27 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: chessplayer
They still claim, even though it’s been proven wrong, that the carbon dating of the Shroud proves that it’s fake.
I was unaware that the Shroud carbon dating (1988?) that suggested it was only about 1000 years old had been scientifically overturned.
When/where/who did that occur?
Also, even if scientists eventually do date the Shroud to the time of Christ, they can never prove that it's His image on the Shroud.
11 posted on 05/02/2014 9:50:11 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Cicero

” just in time for the usual atheist attack on Easter”

Right. This is the new Easter tradition. Time and Newsweek (are either still around other than 10 year-old copies in doctors’ waiting rooms?) usually dedicated a cover story to this kind of nonsense a week or two before Easter.


12 posted on 05/02/2014 9:51:03 AM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: GreyFriar

Ping to suspicions confirmed.


13 posted on 05/02/2014 10:09:27 AM PDT by zot
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To: Cicero
Victims of an elaborate ruse? Or committed an elaborate ruse? Funny that the NY Times was brought in on it, and it was released just in time for the usual atheist attack on Easter.

And who is this "anonymous owner"? Don't we deserve to know that, so we can trace this scam back to its origins?


+ 1
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(I be a student of the latest Common Core Math Standards.)
14 posted on 05/02/2014 10:12:31 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Kartographer

Evil on the Throne - Good (decency & truth) on the Gallows.


15 posted on 05/02/2014 10:13:51 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Kartographer

Amen.


16 posted on 05/02/2014 10:15:39 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Kartographer

The fact that so many people who don’t believe in Jesus spend so much time and effort trying to prove everything about Him is untrue, proves that satan is real.


17 posted on 05/02/2014 10:30:17 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: mojito

Time to start working on my “Prophet Mohammed’s Sketch Book of Naughty Doodling” and see if anyone at Harvard will buy it.


18 posted on 05/02/2014 10:35:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: oh8eleven

I was unaware that the Shroud carbon dating (1988?) that suggested it was only about 1000 years old had been scientifically overturned.
When/where/who did that occur?


Can’t remember when and where, but it was years ago.

“Also, even if scientists eventually do date the Shroud to the time of Christ, they can never prove that it’s His image on the Shroud.”

True. But whoevers image it is, they still can’t explain how it got on the Shroud.


19 posted on 05/02/2014 10:40:07 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Kartographer

I guess this will wind up in the “Super-Sale, HUGE MARKDOWN” bin with the Gospel of Judas.


20 posted on 05/02/2014 10:46:19 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: Kartographer

Jesus DOES have a wife already, called the CHURCH.


21 posted on 05/02/2014 10:49:22 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for the ping Kartographer


22 posted on 05/02/2014 10:54:15 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: VerySadAmerican

I’ve long ago come to that same conclusion.

Another clue: Atheists, Muslims, Marxist, and other assorted groups, not matter how they may hate each other can always unite to attack Christians and Christianity.

I have a theory. I think the demons in Hell (yeah, yeah, I know, no one’s in Hell just yet. Work with me) will compete with each, will war on each other. They’re demons, after all.

But they all know who the real enemy is, and will unite against Him.

And that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.


23 posted on 05/02/2014 10:55:29 AM PDT by chesley
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To: Kartographer

Some idiots were all excited because they thought that this would finally be the downfall of Christianity, and they would be rid of those evil colonialist Christians.


24 posted on 05/02/2014 10:58:51 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Kartographer

Jesus,he was my BOYFRIEND!


25 posted on 05/02/2014 11:16:31 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: oh8eleven

It was later shown that the snippets they took from the shroud was from a part that had undergone French reweaving, where cotton had been dyed and woven into the original linen fabric, probably in the 16th century. It was done to restore a section of the shroud that had been damaged. The introduction of 16th century cotton into the linen would have skewed the carbon 14 results by a huge margin.


26 posted on 05/02/2014 11:21:30 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Hootowl
The introduction of 16th century cotton into the linen would have skewed the carbon 14 results by a huge margin.
While that may have invalidated the findings, I still don't recall any new scans that proved anything new.
27 posted on 05/02/2014 11:43:53 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

The image on the Shroud is a Jewish man who would have been around Jesus’ age. And the image shows puncture wounds on the victims head where the Crown of Thorns was supposed to have been put. Not 100% proof, but it’s interesting.


28 posted on 05/02/2014 11:51:26 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

How did they determine his religion?


29 posted on 05/02/2014 12:01:28 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

What’s illustrative, but not unexpected, is that the average person will have heard the “news” (as widely reported this Easter) that a papyrus had proven that Jesus had a wife. The average person will not hear that the papyrus was proven to be a hoax.


30 posted on 05/02/2014 12:06:11 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: oh8eleven; chessplayer
How did they determine his religion?

It might be possible by determining what the shroud discloses about how the body was prepared for burial. One of the debates on the shroud is whether Jesus was washed according to proper Jewish custom and if so the wounds would not have bled. Another point made is apparently the body was wrapped in strips not one whole cloth.

In any case, the shroud itself sheds light on the burial preparation and indicates the customs of those who wrapped him.

31 posted on 05/02/2014 12:20:20 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for posting!


32 posted on 05/02/2014 12:28:11 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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To: Raycpa
It might be possible by determining what the shroud discloses about how the body was prepared for burial.
Thanks - I did a little research myself regarding that and found more than a few sites like - The Man Of The Shroud Was Washed - which go into a lot of detail, but can't come to any conclusions.
33 posted on 05/02/2014 12:32:34 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

There was a show about this recently. An original member of the Shroud’s research team from 1978 confirmed that there was something from the later medieval era in the cloth right where the sample was taken that would have skewed the 88 dating results:

http://www.ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p11.pdf


34 posted on 05/02/2014 12:59:05 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“The fact that so many people who don’t believe in Jesus spend so much time and effort trying to prove everything about Him is untrue, proves that satan is real.”

The fact that in the Gospels it describes how the authorities tried to pay the guards to say that His apostles had stolen the body, and that people maintain that to this day really says it all. Don’t assume it is only people who don’t believe in Jesus that do this; the Pharisees knew exactly who He was and went ahead with their plans anyway. The parable of the tenants beating the landlord’s servants (the prohphets) before murdering his son (Jesus Himself) made it clear that Jesus knew THAT THEY KNEW WHO HE WAS (and were rejecting Him anyway)...


35 posted on 05/02/2014 1:36:05 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: oh8eleven

That’s because there is nothing to test. Carbon 14 dating destroys the sample, and the Catholic Church has not, so far, allowed any other clippings from the shroud.


36 posted on 05/02/2014 3:07:22 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: zot

Thank you. This will probably be ‘rediscovered’ in 20 or 30 years and the brouhaha will be repeated.


37 posted on 05/02/2014 6:50:19 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kartographer

Sam Kinison pretty much explained why Jesus didn’t have a wife.....

WARNING: LANGUAGE

http://www.funny-city.com/videos/4172-sam-kinison-jesus-didnt-have-a-wife


38 posted on 05/02/2014 6:55:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: oh8eleven

How did they determine his religion?


Facial reconstruction of the face image on the Shroud with modern techniques.


39 posted on 05/02/2014 9:01:31 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Why would a married Jesus conflict with Christian belief?


40 posted on 05/04/2014 5:19:00 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: kearnyirish2

Great point.


41 posted on 05/04/2014 5:22:27 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Thanks; it gets overlooked a lot because it isn’t PC...


42 posted on 05/04/2014 1:46:00 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

The truth is a hard thing. Everybody wants justice good and hard when their ox is gored, but everybody wants mercy and plenty of it when their ox did the goring.


43 posted on 05/04/2014 2:07:47 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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