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If Lethal Injection Is Torture, Who's Responsible?
Townhall.com ^ | May 2, 2014 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 05/02/2014 11:31:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

News reports this week were filled with lamentations from death penalty opponents about the messy and unnecessarily painful execution of Oklahoma's Clayton Lockett. As Andrew Cohen wrote in The Atlantic, Oklahoma corrections officials "were using an untested mix of lethal drugs, never previously used in that dosage combination, obtained through secret means, which precluded the possibility of oversight from attorneys or medical officials on the quality of the drugs. They were warned by medical experts, and asked by defense attorneys, to open up the process to review -- by the courts, by doctors, by some members of the public. Yet they refused."

Missing from that report -- and most others -- was the reason states are using new drug mixes obtained through unconventional means: Since the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Kentucky's three-drug lethal injection protocol as constitutional in 2008, death penalty opponents have used every trick in the book to make the drugs disappear.

Of course, before the big bench's 7-2 ruling, lawyers for death row inmates had argued that the three-drug protocol violated convicts' constitutional protection against "cruel and unusual punishment." The remote possibility -- a 0.001 percent chance -- that an inmate might suffer unduly prompted federal Judge Jeremy Fogel to halt California's three-drug executions in 2006; despite the Supreme Court ruling, there hasn't been one since.

After the big bench affirmed the three-drug protocol, activists went after suppliers. The European Union threatened to ban the export of sodium thiopental to the United States. European producers stopped making it. U.S. manufacturer Hospira also stopped making the drug.

That's when states started experimenting and scrounging for "untested" drugs.

When an investigation of Lockett's gruesome end is complete, it may find that the drug cocktail had little to do with Lockett's unintended pain. The problem could have been intravenous needles that were damaged or poorly inserted.

Kent Scheidegger of the pro-death-penalty Criminal Justice Legal Foundation blogged Wednesday that because lethal injection requires the involvement of medical professionals, it "was a mistake from the beginning. We should have kept the gas chamber and merely used a different gas. Carbon monoxide, for example, is painless." He's right.

I should note that Lockett had it easier than Stephanie Neiman, the innocent 19-year-old victim whom he and his friends beat and bound with duct tape in 1999. Lockett shot her twice before he ordered an accomplice to bury her alive in a shallow grave.

White House spokesman Jay Carney called the Oklahoma execution inhuman. He did not mention the Obama administration's role in pressuring states to surrender drugs found to be constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. In 2011, the Obama Department of Justice actually seized Georgia's supply of sodium thiopental because the drug, among other problems, did not have FDA approval. Really.

"If the White House is upset," Scheidegger wondered, "why don't they do something about the supply problem? Everyone knows that pentobarbital, the single-drug method, works just fine." Maybe President Obama should sign an executive order.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; prisons; torture
Being put to sleep like a veterinarian puts a beloved pet to sleep to take it out of its misery so it does not have to suffer anymore? What about the victim this criminal made suffer
1 posted on 05/02/2014 11:31:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Who's Responsible?

Who killed Davey Moore, why and what's the reason for?

Hang 'em high.

2 posted on 05/02/2014 11:37:17 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Kaslin

No torture in lethal injection.

But, a good many liberals responsible for the torture of aborted babies.


3 posted on 05/02/2014 11:37:54 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Kaslin

The murder must take initial responsibility as he is the one that brought on the situation. The Judge and courts are next as they are the ones that hear the evidence and determine guilt. The execution system is last in responsibility. There are many Muslims that would love to execute an American. All they need is a large sharp knife.


4 posted on 05/02/2014 11:38:48 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Kaslin

lockett returned to the truck because the gun had jammed. He later said he could hear Neiman pleading, “Oh God, please, please” as he fixed the shotgun.
The men could be heard “laughing about how tough Stephanie was” before Lockett shot Neiman a second time.
“He ordered Mathis to bury her, despite the fact that Mathis informed him Stephanie was still alive.”

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/death-looms-for-clayton-lockett-years-after-killing-oklahoma-teen/article_e459564b-5c60-5145-a1ce-bbd17a14417b.html


5 posted on 05/02/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: Kaslin

Having been put under for different medical tests and procedures over the years, one recently, I find it hard to believe there isn’t a way to just knock someone out and then stop their heart.

When I’ve been out, I’ve known absolutely nothing. Wasn’t even aware that I was out. One minute I wasn’t, and then I was.


6 posted on 05/02/2014 11:45:45 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

They should have taken him up to the roof of the prison, and thrown him off.


7 posted on 05/02/2014 11:47:03 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Kaslin

“If Lethal Injection Is Torture, Who’s Responsible?”

The person who put themselves in the position to be executed by lethal injection is responsible.

(Personally, I think the offal should have been beaten, shot, raped and buried alive, but that’s just me.)


8 posted on 05/02/2014 11:51:39 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t care either way whether some bloodthirsty murderer suffers. If the death is painful, so long as that pain is not intentional and administered for the purpose of causing pain, I’m okay with that. If the death is quick and painless, I’m also okay with that. I just want these predators completely removed from the universe, so they can never be released, escape, or otherwise gain access to another innocent victim.


9 posted on 05/02/2014 11:52:47 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kaslin

There is some interesting data out there indicating that lethal injection actually has a higher rate of “botched” executions than all the other methods.

Except perhaps hanging. In the Old West an inexperienced hangman could result in a slow, gruesome, painful death.


10 posted on 05/02/2014 11:53:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

They can put a dog to sleep in seconds, why not get a vet to do the lethal injections, or at least use the drugs the vet uses?


11 posted on 05/02/2014 11:53:33 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Kaslin

And being painfully dehydrated over a span of weeks, such as what happened to Terri Schaivo is nooooo problem to the people complaining about this “inhumane” execution.


12 posted on 05/02/2014 11:53:35 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (No Mo (zilla). I'm going to the Opera instead.)
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To: Kaslin

Lockett himself is responsible for any “torture” that occured during his “botched” execution.

The morning of his execution, he opened a vein and had to be tazed and brought on all sorts of problems.


13 posted on 05/02/2014 11:55:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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14 posted on 05/02/2014 12:03:54 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: ozzymandus
My point is these criminals shouldn't be put to sleep through lethal injection. Perhaps a just punishment would be to punish them to hard labor until they die a slow death. (Notice my emphasis is hard labor)
15 posted on 05/02/2014 12:09:33 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Got a better idea. Smother them with pure nitrogen. They’ll never en know they’re dying.
Works for animals at slaughterhouses.


16 posted on 05/02/2014 12:13:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: xzins

Its not the pharmacology, its the legalistics.


17 posted on 05/02/2014 12:14:47 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Mygirlsmom

Didn’t the libs give us the solution in the Terri Schiavo incident? Starving is humane and even euphoric. Beats injections- eliminates all pain.


18 posted on 05/02/2014 12:15:37 PM PDT by Mark (Obama Care is now DEMOCRAT CARE)
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To: Mark

There was a woman who recovered from a Schaivo-like state and survived an attempt to starve her to death. She’s now a public speaker - I wish I could remember her name....she said it was excruciating.


19 posted on 05/02/2014 12:23:43 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (No Mo (zilla). I'm going to the Opera instead.)
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To: Kaslin

BANG!


WHY have we made EVERYTHING so darn COMPLICATED?

20 posted on 05/02/2014 12:29:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: xzins

Yup!


21 posted on 05/02/2014 12:30:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

I believe I read that he refused to eat before his execution. I wonder if that means he also refused liquids. When the body is dehydrated the vein kind of collapses and it is very hard to insert needles in the veins or even to draw blood. .


22 posted on 05/02/2014 12:31:43 PM PDT by HangingTuff
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To: Kaslin

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1540584/posts

Twas the night before execution and all through San Quentin, the Crips were protesting, and liberals were ventin’.

The cyanide was hung by the chamber with care, in hopes that the reaper soon would be there.

The inmates were nestled all snug in their bed ; except for Old Tookie, who soon would be dead.

And me with my beer mug, dressed warm in my flannel, had curled up to watch it, on the Fox News Channel.

I set up my TIVO to record the news station, and thoroughly loved the momentous occasion.

It seemed lady justice had gotten her way, and that there would be one less savage today.

When outside the jail there arose such a clatter, the cameras had turned to see what was the matter.

When what to my civilized eyes did appear, but a lineup of actors, all liberal...half queer.

The misguided freaks drew some curious looks, as they proclaimed his innocence; while clutching his books.

The tears then flew from Susan Sarandon’s eyes, as she nominated him again for the Nobel Peace Prize.

The actors were tethered to an ACLU sleigh, all towing the line of urban decay.

On Asner, on Penn, on liberal cop-haters, On Sharpton, on Jesse and other race-baiters.

Then at 3:01 all curled up like a beetle, Tookie cried like a bitch, as they gave him the needle.

When up from the actors there arose such a cry, they had failed in their mission, and Tookie DID DIE !!

I heard Bill O’Reilly say, as I turned out my light, Merry Christmas to all ... there was justice tonight !!


23 posted on 05/02/2014 12:31:50 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Little Ray
Works for animals at slaughterhouses.

So does...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol

24 posted on 05/02/2014 12:32:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
Why have they called it a BOTCHED execution?

He's DEAD; ain't he!

25 posted on 05/02/2014 12:33:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Wasn’t that the point? But that’s the lame stream media for you.


26 posted on 05/02/2014 12:40:56 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Little Ray

No way, that would be much to easy for them.


27 posted on 05/02/2014 12:41:58 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The FDA requires drugs to be safe and effective. In this case, I’d say one out of two ain’t bad.


28 posted on 05/02/2014 12:52:02 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin; Elsie

Don’t care about easy. Don’t care about hard. Just want to get the job done. Preferably without giving them 10-20 more years of life then their victims. If people are too squeamish for guillotines and gallows, then inert gas can do the trick.


29 posted on 05/02/2014 1:42:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: C210N

“But, a good many liberals responsible for the torture of aborted babies.”

Dontcha know an unviable tissue mass can’t suffer? Hmmm?
Ya know?

/S/


30 posted on 05/02/2014 5:41:42 PM PDT by ripley
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To: MUDDOG

Who’s responsible?

From L. Neil Smith, attributed to the wisdom of the Cheyenne:

“A thief is killed in the night. Whose hand is on the bow?”


31 posted on 05/02/2014 8:52:07 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: xzins

There are plenty of safe, painless ways used for medical purposes. The drug companies refuse to allow their drugs to be used for executions.

So, they have to go with whatever they can cobble together from the companies who will sell to them, and it’s not very optimal.

Personally, while I think it’s rank cowardice on the part of the drug companies, I’m also very ok with the criminals not having it as easy as a person being anesthetized for surgery, or a beloved pet on that final vet visit.


32 posted on 05/03/2014 1:15:12 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: xzins
Having been put under for different medical tests and procedures over the years, one recently, I find it hard to believe there isn’t a way to just knock someone out and then stop their heart.

Actually, there are a number of ways of doing that.

I will not go into details, but I have been trained on techniques to euthanize animals. There are many ways to accomplish this without the animal feeling a thing.

The difficulty, I think, is that these methods require physical contact with the animal being put down. Psychologically, it is difficult enough when the animal is a rodent; when the animal looks human, the level of psychological difficulty increases several-fold. I think that almost anyone involved in the process would have difficulty afterwards.

Although... abortionists could be recruited to do the deed, I suppose. They're used to killing people.

33 posted on 05/03/2014 6:04:06 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
Whose hand is on the bow?

Cheyenne Bodie's.

34 posted on 05/03/2014 11:58:30 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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