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Ukraine crisis: Dozens killed in Odessa fire amid clashes
BBC News Europe ^ | 5/2/2014 | Staff

Posted on 05/02/2014 12:26:04 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

At least 38 people have been killed in a fire in an official building amid clashes in Odessa, in south west Ukraine, local police say.

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(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: banderists; civilwar; footballfans; maidan; massacre; odessa; rightsector; russia; svoboda; tradeunionhouse; turchynov; ukraine
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The official building is now known to be almost certainly what is known as the government building the "Trade Union House" where anti-Maidan, anti-Kiev activists had holed themselves up after their camp was apparently destroyed. Some reports have it that nationalists and what have been deemed the "football fans" torched the building.

It is reported that there are videos circulating (real time videos) taken at the time by those who were inside the building as the building was burning and people were suffocating...

1 posted on 05/02/2014 12:26:04 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; caww; tcrlaf; Count of Monte Fisto; little jeremiah; Psalm 144
The BBC article was being updated while I was in the process of posting it.

It was the Trade Union House, and now the tally is 31. BBC says that Ukraine's interior ministry has not said who started the fire.

2 posted on 05/02/2014 12:29:36 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama lit a fire that could consume us all before it’s done. He has the matches because American voters wanted free cell phones.


3 posted on 05/02/2014 12:31:44 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

RT’s headline:
38 people die after radicals set Trade Unions House on fire in Ukraine’s Odessa

“The Trade Unions House was set on fire by pro-Kiev radicals after they surrounded and destroyed the tent camp of anti-government activists that stood in front of the building on Odessa’s Kulikovo Field Square. It was torched in a storming attempt after some of the anti-Maidan activists rallying in the square barricaded themselves inside the building.”

The article notes that Molotovs were being used by both sides.

This sure to inflame tensions. Checking twitter now.


4 posted on 05/02/2014 12:32:32 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
...as the building was burning and people were suffocating...

Nobody helped?

5 posted on 05/02/2014 12:32:39 PM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; fella; rbg81

Check this out.


6 posted on 05/02/2014 12:33:13 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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#Odessa: 30 of those killed were asphyxiated by smoke & 8 died trying to escape by jumping out of windows - @MVS_UA via @AFP


7 posted on 05/02/2014 12:35:30 PM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: McGruff

The pro-Putin hooligans were shooting from the building and throwing Molotov cocktails. Kind of hard to help people like that. Not clear if the hooligans set fire to the building themselves. Reports are that the hooligans received weapons early this morning at a Russian Orthodox church in preparation for violently disrupting the pro-Ukrainian march. Apparently, Putin’s terrorists were expecting the pro-Ukrainian crowd not to resist as happened last Sunday when so may were viciously beaten in Donetsk.


8 posted on 05/02/2014 12:36:10 PM PDT by Agog
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

RT showing a couple of gruesome pics, but Russian-language twitter is FULL of them.

Also, new reports of shooting in Slovansk within the last 5 minutes.


9 posted on 05/02/2014 12:36:57 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

RT reported on this? Hmmm.

What I have seen is that the BBC (And other news sites in the UK) are reporting on this - possibly the Guardian, too. I will check.....

Those Putinista news sites in the UK! Dang them!!! /s


10 posted on 05/02/2014 12:38:12 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: tcrlaf; All

MORE:

Defence Min: In the village of Andriyivka near Slovyansk pro-Russians attack Ukraine’s 95 airborne brigade. 2 paratroopers killed


11 posted on 05/02/2014 12:38:48 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Another week of this and Putin can do his “Here I come to save the day”.


12 posted on 05/02/2014 12:39:46 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Bookmark


13 posted on 05/02/2014 12:40:03 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Coming directly on the heels of what the Russians said today at the UN, this can do nothing but ratchet things up even more.


14 posted on 05/02/2014 12:40:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Still hearing rumours that #RightSector units are in #Donetsk and #slaviansk and #Lugansk

RightSector = Nazis


15 posted on 05/02/2014 12:41:53 PM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: AU72

“Another week of this and Putin can do his “Here I come to save the day”.”

Week? I’d give it 72 hours or less before he does “Something”.


16 posted on 05/02/2014 12:41:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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17 posted on 05/02/2014 12:43:03 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: tcrlaf

AP now reporting 38 dead in Odessa.


18 posted on 05/02/2014 12:43:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Agog

Putin wants dead Ukrainians. He doesn’t really care which side.


19 posted on 05/02/2014 12:44:03 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All; jimbo123

Check this out.


20 posted on 05/02/2014 12:50:12 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: lodi90; All

From what I can gather from articles and tweets from people on site, is that some pro-Russian kids set up a Maidan-like camp in Central Odessa, and a couple of road blocks. They had been there for a couple of days.

Pro-Kiev demonstrators decided to attack it, throwing rocks, etc. Someone hijacked a Fire truck and smashed it through a barricade, injuring several people. That is when the gunfire and molotovs started.

The Ukrainians chased the pro-Russians into the Union House, where Molotovs were exchanged on both sides. The pro-Kiev’s (likely the Reported Right-Sector Goons that started this) were beating people to death as they came out.

Burn to death in the building, or be killed by the mob, Helluva choice.


21 posted on 05/02/2014 12:51:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Agog
From what I read, the anti-Kiev, anti-Maidan people had their encampment set on fire (their tenets) and then it looks like they responded.

Obama’s foreign policy “touch” (Lybia, Syria, Egypt. and now Ukraine) sucks, and is quintessentially anti-Midas.

23 posted on 05/02/2014 12:53:42 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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24 posted on 05/02/2014 12:53:48 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson

Dear God in heaven...

The Soronistas and McCainiacs here at FR need to watch those videos.


25 posted on 05/02/2014 12:56:23 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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26 posted on 05/02/2014 12:57:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Twitter is blowing up with pics and videos of this now.

If Putin needed an excuse to put an Obama-like “No-Fly Zone” in place over southern Ukraine, he surely has it now.


27 posted on 05/02/2014 12:59:13 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson
Neonazi mob outside the building tried to prevent police and firemen from helping those inside.

Then they should be exterminated like cockroaches.

28 posted on 05/02/2014 12:59:23 PM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: tcrlaf

Hurriyet (turkey) headline:
More than 30 die in ’criminal’ blaze in Odessa, Ukraine, as rebels down 3 army helicopters


29 posted on 05/02/2014 1:00:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Tweet from “Russian Markets” 5 minutes ago

EMERGENCY MEETING IN MOSCOW - KREMLIN


30 posted on 05/02/2014 1:02:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All; tcrlaf; caww; Count of Monte Fisto; little jeremiah; Psalm 144; ...

It was Breaking, and the BBC link showed in huge letters “BREAKING” right before I posted it.

Apparently the Admin Moderator dropped the Breaking on the “Topics” line.

I will place it in the “Front Page” section, as the Admin Moderator allows others who come on theses threads to, ahem, engage us in debate, place threads in Breaking and/or Front Page.


31 posted on 05/02/2014 1:06:53 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: tcrlaf

We’ve seen this violence dozens of times before the last few weeks. Armed assaults on Ukrainian buildings or people by Team KGB.

Putin wants dead Ukrainians as a pretext for invasion. Apparently you do too. Wave the bloody shirt if you wish but everyday knows the score at this point.


32 posted on 05/02/2014 1:08:05 PM PDT by lodi90
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“We’ve seen this violence dozens of times before the last few weeks.”

BOVINE EXCREMENT...

They didn’t give them (KIDS) the choice of being beaten to death by a Right-Sector led mob, or burning to death.

You should be literally jumping for glee on the caskets of the dead, right?


33 posted on 05/02/2014 1:10:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

This is spreading to more news sources...


34 posted on 05/02/2014 1:11:38 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Tweet from “Russian Markets”. Normally comments on Russian economic issues:

-40 people burnt alive in Odessa. Now NATO-media has a huge problem cause thanks to their weapon Social Media we all witness WHO & HOW did it

A note again about how we live in a digital age, and nothing happens in the darkness, anymore.


35 posted on 05/02/2014 1:14:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This is not a go to heck moment but the bell is ringing (imho).


36 posted on 05/02/2014 1:20:24 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: tcrlaf

I’ve personally seen the graves in Europe for those murdered by Russians. They have a long history of abusing and murdering their neighbors. So does Putin. This just the latest chapter.

Spare me the feigned outrage. There was nothing from you when the councilman was mutiliated and murdered in Horlivka. Nothing from you when the peaceful marchers were brutally assaulted on monday in Donetsk. You are loving this tragedy.


37 posted on 05/02/2014 1:22:04 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

makes me ask a question ... Wonder what our so-called leaders are about to do? Not a go to heck moment but with what is breaking on their lies ... expect anything while I pray No, Not Now Lord. Let Americans have the truth first, please ... Amen.


38 posted on 05/02/2014 1:23:07 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
A small incident here, a small incident there, pretty soon you got WWIII on your hands.

5.56mm

39 posted on 05/02/2014 1:24:17 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: tcrlaf

Those weren’t “kids”, they were full grown adults who were paid and brought into Odessa with the purpose of creating mayhem and to serve their masters in Moscow. With them in the building where they had holed themselves in were a number of firearms. They had been shooting firearms from the roof of the building. They killed people with that gunfire. They threw rebar from the roof of the building, severely injuring people in the street. They threw Molotov cocktails from the building at the crowd below. This is hardly the work of innocents. It’s terrible that people died today in Odessa, especially peaceful Ukrainians who were not expecting a band of violent people armed by Moscow. As for those in the building, they have no one to blame but themselves.


40 posted on 05/02/2014 1:28:05 PM PDT by Agog
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Video from Inside the burned out building

WARNING-VERY GRAPHIC

Commenter is supposedly calling the dead “N****rs”
https://www.youtube.com/embed/vv9_z6Cdf3g


41 posted on 05/02/2014 1:29:20 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Agog

It’s terrible that people died today in Odessa, especially peaceful Ukrainians who were not expecting a band of violent people armed by Moscow. As for those in the building, they have no one to blame but themselves.


Exactly right. Like we have been saying for weeks. It’s only the Putinistas who have been cheering on the kidnap, murder and mayhem. It’s terrible and the entire violent drama in E. & S. Ukraine is Made In Russia.


42 posted on 05/02/2014 1:32:15 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf

Bookmark


43 posted on 05/02/2014 1:32:24 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Agog

Bullsc**t..
Looks at the pics posted on the morning thread.

The protestors were mostly KIDS, not “Paid Agents”. This propagandic idiocy has to stop.

Yes, I gree, there are no innocents, but remember, the shooting didn’t start until someone hijacked a FIRE TRUCK, and drove it through a street barricade, injuring several people.

What are they supposed to do? Die in place, to sate the Ukrainian bloodlust being called down by Obama??


44 posted on 05/02/2014 1:32:27 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Thanks whoever you are


45 posted on 05/02/2014 1:33:01 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Agog
It is reported that both sides were clashing outside. BOTH. The outside encampment for the anti-Maidan people was (according to reports) destroyed by the “football fans” and the pro-Maidan people. The anti-Maidan, anti-Kiev people went into the Trade Union house, and you can see on the BBC link at the URL link, where molotov cocktails are being thrown at the building, and there are videos of the people suffocating to death inside.

We need to stay out of this, though, IMHO.

Even you must admit that Obama’s anti-Midas touch (Libya (Benghazi), Syria, Egypt (his support for the Muslim Brotherhood) and now Ukriane is not helping the U.S.

46 posted on 05/02/2014 1:35:48 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Updates:

EMERGENCY MEETING IN MOSCOW - KREMLIN.....Declaration of War rumored...

From traffic controller tweets:

The Russian military cargo plane is coming to Odessa, 5 Russian fighters are also coming to the area

Another Russian cargo plane to the same area

Military aircraft, Russian cargo, taking off towards Crimea continues odessa

Kiev Bandera thugs in Armored vehicles trying 2 break thru Andreevki checkpt Residents blocking it.....shooting at Civilians....plug your ears....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF0C88W5fw8&feature=youtu.be


47 posted on 05/02/2014 1:36:49 PM PDT by caww
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Caww, know you are on top of what is taking place .... Share all you can, please. Give us Thunder!


48 posted on 05/02/2014 1:38:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: tcrlaf

Many of the Ukrainian protestors were teenagers that’s true. The dead in the trade union building were clearly much older. Moreover, 15 of them have been identified as Russian nationals.

By the way, the shooting by Putin’s hooligans started even before the incident with the fire truck. Two people were already shot dead by them, including an elderly bystander. Also, I’m not sure how shooting in a crowd will protect a gunman from a fire truck.


49 posted on 05/02/2014 1:39:07 PM PDT by Agog
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No one is cheering on anything from either side. That is sick.

It was horrible what Saddam did to the Kurds, but did we intervene then? No.

What REAL conservatives want is for America to stay out of this. No to RINO interventionism via Obama. RINOs and the don’t-care-one -way-or-another-about-Soros crowd want interventionism.

Them and the McCain crowd.


50 posted on 05/02/2014 1:40:58 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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