Skip to comments.MAP: How Ukraine and Russia are moving toward war
Posted on 05/02/2014 12:39:42 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
With Ukrainian troops launching a major assault on a rebel stronghold Friday, just a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin warned Kiev to withdraw its troops from the east and south of the country, it looks like the Ukraine crisis is entering a new stage.
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Who are the rebels in this case? The pro-Russian forces or the anti-Ukranian forces that ousted the former president?
- TPTB want a war in the Middle East. This is the reason for the "Arab Spring" that seemed to hand power to the jihadis.
- Once jihadis controlled most of the Muslim countries, the U.S. could be shocked - SHOCKED I TELL YOU - at the violence and terrorism the jihadis foment. It's go time!
- Putin threw a spanner in the works when he backed Syria and made nice with the regime in Egypt that threw out the jihadis.
- "We need an intervention!" cried TPTB. Well, how about distracting Putin with a war against Ukraine?
Once a real shooting war starts in Ukraine, watch to see if the U.S. moves against Assad.
The rebels are Russian provocateurs along with a number of Ukrainians of Russian ancestry.
Won’t be a war we’ll be in. No money. According to Obammy and friends....We have our own problems with evil tea party terrorists, trayvon martin, racists, making sure everyone has health insurance without doctors and medicine, income inequality, nasty oil, CLIMATE CHANGE!, immigrants and Muslims being put into gas chambers in the south....it just goes on.
Obama got an ABSOLUTELY NOT from the American people on intervention in Syria. even with the Saudis trying to coerce our participation, Obama backed off. Obama isn’t in a good position. He moved closer to impeachment with the disclosure of the Benghazi email.
He might as well resign now.
I was the Scenario manager for Rapid Trident 2012
Of course impeachment isn't removal. And there's no way the corrupt and leftist Demonrat senate would vote to remove the usurping fraud and liar.
I’m not particularly interested in Obama’s removal. I want Benghazi hearings to kick over Hillary’s shit wagon. There’s no way she’ll be able to clean up her image in time for 2016. In fact “Ready for Hillary in 2020” will be a running joke.
I get your point in your post #13.
Interesting map. Is Melitopol the place to watch? So far the pro-Russian separatists have tried to take over cities near the Russian border. Melitopol would fill in a land route from Russia to the Crimea.
That's the real problem in the Ukraine, the current "government" in Kiev doesn't limit their definition of "Russian ancestry" to something like people born in Russia or children of parents who were both born in Russia. They include anyone with one parent who was born in Russia and anyone who married someone that fits their broad definition of Russian ancestry.
If there were actually a single leader in the current crowd that overthrew the last government who would stand up and say that a broad definition like that is foolish in the Ukraine and state clearly that they were against dividing the Ukraine along ancestral lines half the problems they're having would go away in a week. None of them can do that even if they wanted to, though, they're too paranoid about losing support from the far right in Kiev which is more powerful than Western media and the Kiev Kiddies in charge will admit.
You don't get thousands of people in the streets to honor Ukrainians who fought with the Nazis in WWII if you only have "a small number of radicals" who support you. People tend to look at one or two openly Nazi groups and think that's the whole neo-Nazi movement in the Ukraine.
Friends of mine with family still there say there are a lot of groups that support forcing anyone who has one or more parents who were born in Russia to leave the country. They're just not called neo-Nazi groups because they don't go along with the whole agenda. My friends think those other groups will become much more openly neo-Nazi if and when the Ukraine becomes part of the EU, that's why their family in Ukraine doesn't want any part of the EU, NATO, or EuRussia (whatever the trade groups is). They say most people there want Ukraine to be about like India and be neutral, deciding issues on the merits instead of having someone choose sides for them whenever the US or NATO are up to something.
Unless a Ukrainian leader who can put the "ethnic Russian" excuse for infighting to an end emerges soon, it doesn't matter if NATO rolls in, smacks down Russia, and bombs Moscow into rubble before getting Russia to sign some sort of treaty. The Ukraine will be a mess until Ukrainians decide to either deal with the reality of what the country was like when they declared independence or they'll breakup.
So far, playing one group and one region against another has been the bread and butter of Ukrainian politics just like it's the bread and butter of democrat fascist politics in the US. Given the nature of the Ukraine, this is probably their last chance to keep the country together and avoid a bloody Civil War at some point. The more the EU messes in it the less likely it is there will be some peaceful arrangement among Ukrainians on how they can all live together.
That way all the Baltic States and Poland are forced to be once again under the Soviet sword.
Same as it ever was.... same as it ever was. ....and once again the United States and Europe will tsk-tsk when Poland is crushed.