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Colombians move into Colorado marijuana business
renewamerica.com ^ | May 2, 2014 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 05/03/2014 12:55:12 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

When Obama said he would "fundamentally transform" the United States, few anticipated that the plan involved destroying the minds of young people through addictive substances. But after the expenditure of $250 million by Obama backer George Soros on behalf of the marijuana legalization movement, we are seeing the results, especially in Colorado. The new website www.legalizationviolations.org is documenting the fallout and the damage.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: kincaid

1 posted on 05/03/2014 12:55:12 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The law of unintended consequences.


2 posted on 05/03/2014 1:01:03 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

What caught my eye was the “hash explosions”. People cooking the stuff soaked in butane on their kitchen stoves in their apartment buildings to make it stronger.

“Here, old my pipe and watch this.”


3 posted on 05/03/2014 1:10:47 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

Death is the ultimate high. /s


4 posted on 05/03/2014 1:13:45 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Land of the Free and the home of the Brave!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Colombians as a rule do not grow weed nearly as well as Americans...not even close

Good Luck guairias


5 posted on 05/03/2014 1:27:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

And our son-in-law moved the family to CO back when our grandsons were 6 and 4 - in 1995 - because of the ‘gang crime’ creeping here into Ventura County from Los Angeles, according to our then son-in-law. (HE divorced the family soon after moving to CO) - -
Far as I can tell, it’s a very slow creep.

MEANwhile, Colorado has suffered Columbine, a family cousin was murdered in her gift store in Arapahoe County (crime never solved), and what was the fairly recent Columbine-like crap??
And now - pot legalized - - -
Sure pray our 2 subsequent CO-born grandkids keep their distance.


6 posted on 05/03/2014 1:31:13 AM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So the Feds are pressuring banks not to deal with the legal pot shops, forcing them to deal in cash only. Then they accuse them of “money laundering” because they make large cash transactions.

And BTW, they’re doing to ammo retailers too.


7 posted on 05/03/2014 2:35:48 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Another "Rocly Mountain High" story.
Many more to come. . . . . .
8 posted on 05/03/2014 3:11:59 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I don't know, where I'm a gona go, when the Volcano Blow! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Not to DC fer sure. . .)
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To: Hugin

The Feds actually have removed restrictions for banks and marijuana businesses, but - and I was shocked by this recently, because I figured that was a done deal - banks won’t do business with these shops.

I would. How do I open a bank? We have lived in a litigious society for far too long. Show me the money.


9 posted on 05/03/2014 3:19:55 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: USARightSide

Quite fascinating that such a beautiful state is managing to generate such nuts. Yeah, a kid went into a school recently and did kill one girl. Another boy, I don’t think I saw the news on here, committed suicide in a high school by pouring oil/gasoline all over himself in the cafeteria and lighting himself on fire.

And don’t forget the Aurora shooter.

Greeley is the town I am quite fascinated by. “Rural” town has some pretty interesting crime. One of the stories made it onto one of those crime shows - woman married to cop having affair with another cop, kills wife of other cop. Man she is married to supports her.

I think it is so bad because all of the crazies that made east/west coast states so bad moved here and have doubled down on their insanity.

Oh yeah, the Denver area has one of the largest mosques in the US (and one of the biggest Jewish temples). One muslim from the Denver area and his dad were arrested for plotting a terror attack in the NE somewhere.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 3:25:58 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: ican'tbelieveit

Have you been following the story on Operation Choke Point? It seems the Feds don’t need a law to pressure banks not to do business with legal businesses they don’t like.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3149878/posts


11 posted on 05/03/2014 3:31:37 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin

I had not seen that article. And here we were so worried about those religious zealots taking away our freedoms (i.e. W).


12 posted on 05/03/2014 3:39:41 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The law of intended consequences. Just one front of the Cultural Marxist Offensive against the USA financed by Soros and company.


13 posted on 05/03/2014 3:48:20 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: ican'tbelieveit
one of the biggest Jewish temples
14 posted on 05/03/2014 3:49:35 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Land of the Free and the home of the Brave!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

There are quite a few of the pro-legalization types right here on FR. Anyone who thought legalization would blunt the power and reach of the cartels is delusional. This is just the beginning.


15 posted on 05/03/2014 3:59:01 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Marijuana Prohibition has another 10 years, tops. Y’ all will get over it, or not, I don’t care.


16 posted on 05/03/2014 4:28:23 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: ScottinVA

Why would cartels bother growing/selling a plant that is supposed to cost less than basil? They are not in the farming business.

Of course prohibition and high taxes do cartels a favor by creating an instant insane profit margin on weeds and eliminating legitimate competititon. Illegal pot is often bought for more than its weight in gold!

All plants should be unrestricted and untaxed for personal growing/use. Since plants are so easy to grow, all you do is create a black market. Just like alcohol tax and prohibition pretty much gave birth to true organized crime. Government GAVE them a profit margin on a platter.

Since drugs are thousands of times more profitable than booze, I believe the cartels have infiltrated every major government on Earth to continue this charade. The WOD has been a scam for a long time to simply eliminate competition and keep prices high.


17 posted on 05/03/2014 4:41:52 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Berlin_Freeper

But, but, but,.....we were promised that legalization would destroy the cartels!

How could libertarians have been wrong?


18 posted on 05/03/2014 5:59:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry
Did legalizing alcohol get rid of the organized crime created by prohibition? No, like the Federal agencies that were created to fight the now rich criminals, they moved on to other lucrative endeavors, like the new exciting field of drug prohibition.

I don't think anyone would argue that the cartels were created by prohibition, but getting rid of them will take a bit more than legalization as they will just move on to another criminal enterprise.

19 posted on 05/03/2014 6:45:53 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Interesting. Colombians... A practical people with very straight forward problem solving techniques. Should make for some interesting hi jinx with the Colorado lefties. I wish them much happiness...

Lol.......


20 posted on 05/03/2014 6:49:36 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: USARightSide

That is not the Colorado I lived in as a child.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 7:01:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Durus

When are you whiners going to give up the “its no worse than...” meme?

Society doesn’t need more poisons under that false pretense.

The dope culture is creating an unmotivated, mind numbed, population, who will NEVER achieve their true potential.

The unprovable notion that these same people would be alcoholic if they weren’t toking, is pure bull.


22 posted on 05/03/2014 8:55:20 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: DeaconRed
Another "Rocly Mountain High" story.

What's your keyboard been smokin'? Spellcheck stoned?

FMCDH(BITS)

23 posted on 05/03/2014 10:28:42 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Hugin
It seems the Feds don’t need a law to pressure banks not to do business with legal businesses they don’t like.

I hate drugs....but I hate Fascism even more....This should scare the pants off of ever freedom-loving American.

24 posted on 05/03/2014 10:30:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So, the Columbians weren’t in the marijuana business until it was legalized. The Mob got into the liquor business once Prohibition ended. I’m supposed to believe this? The hysteria is just amazing. Pot’s been out there for anyone who wanted to get some, even though it was illegal. What’s so hard for people to understand.


25 posted on 05/03/2014 12:33:30 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: G Larry
When are you whiners going to give up the “its no worse than...” meme? I didn't whine about anything, and didn't say "no worse than.." so I guess I can't give it up. When are you going to make a cogent point about what someone actually said rather than the typical straw man attacks you prohibitionists rely on?

Our constitution is no longer a barrier to ever increasing government powers while our constitutional rights are increasingly being ignored and this is no small part due to the supposed "war on (some) drugs". You do realize that despite a government that spends billions on the war on (some) drugs that the overwhelming majority of drug addicts are addicted to prescription drugs and in the meantime we can't even bother to close our borders? The war on drugs is an excuse, and it always was an excuse, and you just aren't bright enough to see it.

26 posted on 05/03/2014 12:44:23 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: wardaddy
Colombians as a rule do not grow weed nearly as well as Americans...not even close.

You'd think that even the densest of hippies would "get" free markets, competition and capitalism just from the story of marijuana cultivation in America in the last 30 years.

27 posted on 05/03/2014 2:04:14 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Durus

Here’s your “cogent” point:

Society doesn’t need more poisons under the false pretense that it’s no worse than booze.

The dope culture is creating an unmotivated, mind numbed, population, who will NEVER achieve their true potential.

The unprovable notion that these same people would be alcoholic if they weren’t toking, is pure bull.


28 posted on 05/03/2014 3:57:43 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Durus

The Constitution was not written to protect drug use.

A poorly managed “drug war” is no excuse for legalization.
The prescription drug abuse is another matter and has NOTHING to do with illegal drugs.
Closing our borders is a wonderful idea that also has NOTHING to do with legalizing drugs.

So, what is it that you’re pretending the war on drugs is an excuse for?
Or, are you bright enough to explain that?


29 posted on 05/03/2014 4:02:36 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

Do you support Colorado’s prerogative under the 10th Amendment to regulate intrastate mj?


30 posted on 05/03/2014 5:21:40 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

10th Amendment “prerogatives” are Constitutionally constrained under Article 1, Section 8, as follows:

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

So, in a word, regarding mj....NO!


31 posted on 05/03/2014 5:50:34 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry
The constitution was written in part to limit the powers of government to those powers enumerated by the constitution.

An open border perpetuates many issues including the free flow of drugs. If our government had any real intent of winning the drug war they would have shut down the border, but they don't. Don't you think that is interesting?

Pretending? With all due respect look at historical record. From 1914 to 1937 drug prohibition took off an became a big government business. When Alcohol was made legal other drugs quickly took its place. Innumerable usurpations of power have occurred since the first real prohibition in 1920 but let's hit some of the high points. 1934 NFA, the rise of criminal organizations never seen before in the US, an ever more militarized police force, no knock raids, asset forfeiture, warrant-less searches. Billions of dollars spent, tens of thousands of Federal employees hired, 100's killed in service.

All of that...and what do we have to show for it? Drugs usage is remarkably similar to that before prohibition and drugs are readily available and cheap. Need some dope? I bet almost everyone reading this could buy some within an hour without straining to find a supplier. Want drugs but don't want to deal with dangerous drug dealer types? Afraid of the stigma of being a druggie? No problem! Go to your doctor, they would be happy to give you a drug to cure your ills. From Adderol to Zoloft, they have something for everyone.

Let's recap shall we? Government says "we need to stop abuse of XX Drug because it will turn you into a newt (or some other equally improbably justification), and we need a bazillion dollars to do it". Then they take the money, don't do all that much except usurp more and more and more power but we have copious amounts of easily accessible drugs. Those are the facts. Cold hard math.

How about another example. Heroin is making a big comeback in the states. Heroin is derived from Opium. 98% percent of opium world wide is grown in Afghanistan. We have complete military control of Afghanistan. If the government really wanted to stop poppies being grown in a country that we control militarily it could. Pretty clearly the "war on (some) drugs" is a con.

That being said I'm not even particularly pro-legalization. It would cause a raft of problems...but it's sure better than the problems we have now with a government taxing us to oblivion that is just a couple of steps from being an overt police state.

32 posted on 05/03/2014 6:27:11 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: G Larry
10th Amendment “prerogatives” are Constitutionally constrained under Article 1, Section 8, as follows:

IOW, you support the expansive New Deal Commerce Clause - the same Commerce Clause view that has allowed fedgov control of health care, education, the environment and a host of other big govt programs.

You've given up any constitutional argument against such fedgov overreach at the expense of the 10th Amendment.

33 posted on 05/03/2014 6:29:17 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: G Larry
"Society doesn’t need more poisons under the false pretense that it’s no worse than booze".

Who made that pretense? You? Why are you telling me about it?

The dope culture is creating an unmotivated, mind numbed, population, who will NEVER achieve their true potential.
With our entertainment culture that spends so much time watching socialistic propaganda disguised as sitcoms or couch athletes supporting our modern bread and circuses I'm not sure if drugs can really be singled out the primary factor for the degradation of our culture.

The unprovable notion that these same people would be alcoholic if they weren’t toking, is pure bull.

You should probably take that up with the person who told you that "unprovable notion" because it wasn't me.

34 posted on 05/03/2014 6:39:37 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Ken H

No, that is your bogus extrapolation.

“If drugs can’t be legalized all is lost!”

Whata buncha crap!


35 posted on 05/04/2014 7:21:06 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry
Not bogus. You cited Article I, Section 8 to justify fedgov overriding the Tenth Amendment. The expansive Commerce Clause (I.8.3.) is what allows fedgov to control health care, education, national marijuana prohibition, the environment and a host of others - all at the expense of the Tenth Amendment. That's just a statement of fact.

Clarence Thomas on the Commerce Clause:

Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana.

If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

--J. Thomas, dissenting in Raich

36 posted on 05/04/2014 11:53:18 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Fine..

Then close all of the pot shops in Washington and Colorado.


37 posted on 05/04/2014 2:17:48 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
But after the expenditure of $250 million by Obama backer George Soros on behalf of the marijuana legalization movement,

Which was counteracted by the $250 million spent by the Big Alcohol movement (hop growers; distillers; distributors; retailers) scared of the coming competition.

Actually, neither side had much influence on most votes around here [WA]; people just voted their opinion.

38 posted on 05/04/2014 2:24:44 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
USA Today reported that Levi Thamba Pongi, a native of the Republic of Congo, ate the cookie and "exhibited hostile behavior" that included pulling things off walls and speaking erratically.

This article is full of slanted 'reporting', which is more like besmirching.

It is a known problem that the edibles generally have far too high a THC content (4X or 6X what it should be). Has no one ever spoken erratically or damaged walls after drinking two six packs of beer? I think they have. The states should be regulating the THC content.

Won't be reading this author or his site in the future.

39 posted on 05/04/2014 2:32:52 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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