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Jobless in Seattle
Slate ^ | May 2 2014 | Jordan Weissmann

Posted on 05/03/2014 6:06:04 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh

If Seattle succeeds in raising its minimum wage to $15, the city will suffer.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; minimumwage
“Would I be concerned about possible job losses if there were a $15 minimum wage in the restaurant industry, yes, I’d be concerned,” he told the New York Times in December. “There are concerns that it might lead to the substitution of automation for workers.”

Count on it.

1 posted on 05/03/2014 6:06:04 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Malone LaVeigh

No tipping since the waiters will make a living wage!


2 posted on 05/03/2014 6:10:05 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Malone LaVeigh

You can pretty much count on the food service industry patrons compensating for the increased costs with little or no tipping. The reason for tipping is good service, KNOWING that the staff are not well-compensated in their hourly wage. Raise that to $15, and I’d have no problem whatsoever not tipping a waiter. No problem at all.


3 posted on 05/03/2014 6:11:20 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer

And your server will have no problem spitting in or otherwise doctoring your food. No problem at all.


4 posted on 05/03/2014 6:16:53 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

Solution: Stay at home. Food is better anyway.


5 posted on 05/03/2014 6:19:22 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“Will the last person leaving Seattle turn out the lights?”

The billboard was displayed for only 15 days in April 1971, near the Sea-Tac Airport, when it looked like Boeing was going to close up shop.

There was a mass exodus from that city, again during a vast economic downturn.

No city in America can support a $15/hour minimum wage. Those who cannot find work at that level of wages, whether through lack of demand, lack of skills, or lack of ambition, are doomed to remain jobless. Whether they stay in Seattle or not, is a matter of whatever public assistance they can chisel from the plantation masters.


6 posted on 05/03/2014 6:20:16 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
If Seattle succeeds in raising its minimum wage to $15, the city will suffer.

It is especially the Youth that will suffer. They most likely will not get that critical first job in Seattle.

7 posted on 05/03/2014 6:22:52 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“Though some workers end up unemployed, enough get raises to make the tradeoff worthwhile.”

Just wow. It’s okay that some people become unemployed and put on welfare because in balance others do better. That’s about as elitist as it gets. Also, there’s no mention of the people who are impacted the most. People living on a fixed income are hit two ways. The cost of anything they use goes up and inflation rises so that whatever the new minimum wage is, it still has the buying power of the old minimum wage. But who takes it in the butt here? Retirees.


8 posted on 05/03/2014 6:26:05 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SamAdams76

No, they aren’t gonna know about it beforehand. Their chance for spitting is when they still think they might get a tip -— unless they just spit in everyone’s food, and if they do that they’ll eventually be caught and charged with attempted assault (legally, intentional bodily fluid inclusion is a serious crime).


9 posted on 05/03/2014 6:34:21 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
sometimes people just have to learn the hard way.

I say we all support Seattle in this, and watch the inevitable collapse and be glad it was only Seattle that did this.

10 posted on 05/03/2014 6:39:52 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Lockbox

Just another unintended consequence of leftist do-gooderism.

The left in its arrogant ignorance will ruin every good thing about life as it actually exists, if allowed. It cannot be overstated how the left’s total blind spot to unintended consequence is a true wrecking ball.

This is one reason it’s hard to counter the left: the suffering they will inflict isn’t obvious at the outset, because their intentions are generally good. Conservatism has similar good intentions but with the advantage of a worldview that accounts for actual reality.

Oh God help us.


11 posted on 05/03/2014 6:42:40 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Eventually, all of the businesses requiring min. wage employees will be located 100 yards outside the Seattle city limits.


12 posted on 05/03/2014 6:53:55 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Gaffer

So long as you never go to same restaurant twice, I guess you will be okay. They do tend to have long memory for bad toppers so I would never return to one if I did that.


13 posted on 05/03/2014 6:54:08 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

You’re right. I would not either. But you also have to realize that the compensation system would have been drastically changed, and to keep clientele, owners would have to be on the watch for behavior like this from their employees. Frankly, if I even suspected that a staff member spit in my food I would start the evidentiary accountability process right there, have it tested and I’d sue the ass off that place.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 6:56:56 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer

The winners will be those who have one or no employees , by reaping the rewards of inflation for goods and services. Looks like the 10 Dollar burger may be the norm in Seattle


15 posted on 05/03/2014 7:45:31 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Malone LaVeigh

The limousine Liberals think there are too many of those scruffy, working class people in Seattle. This is one way to reduce the population.


16 posted on 05/03/2014 7:50:19 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DocJhn

I guess so. I really don’t care what happens in Seattle. They deserve what they wreak on themselves. They can keep their rain, they can keep their liberals, and they can keep their bums. Been there done that.


17 posted on 05/03/2014 7:51:30 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
If Seattle succeeds in raising its minimum wage to $15, the city will suffer.

Have the proponents of raising the minimum wage talked about where the extra cash to pay the higher wage will come from? Will the city reduce taxes so the small business owners can pay more to their employees? Will they otherwise make up the difference with taxpayer dollars?

Or do the socialists want the businesses to somehow pay using their obscene profits? Do the socialists have a clue on what are the economics of free enterprise? Do they understand risk, cost of satisfying all the government regulations, paying the taxes, etc.?

18 posted on 05/03/2014 8:34:12 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: olezip
Do the socialists have a clue on what are the economics of free enterprise? Do they understand risk, cost of satisfying all the government regulations, paying the taxes, etc.?

In a word: No.

But more broadly, they do not have a clue about economics at all (or are charlatans who know better but play to a voting base with no clue about economics). The left is an alliance of evil charlatans and the good-hearted, but clueless about economics.

19 posted on 05/03/2014 9:13:46 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Unions and liberals spending more than a city can afford are turning a lot of America into desolate and abandoned areas.

Seattle will be heading that way on a more rapid pace with their new high minimum wage.

Go to the video below to see closed malls decaying and rotting in America.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/From-bustling-center-of-prosperity-to-ghost-
town/244591683932/Comcast/Today_in_Video/?cid=hero_sf_TIV

Going down next in America will be many of our hospitals due to Obozo Care. In Californicator land, hospitals are merging with others and many are in the closing the door stages. Union health care members who voted and supported Obozo Care are picketing and forcing more hospitals into a financial quagmire.


20 posted on 05/03/2014 10:03:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: nobamanomore

“Eventually, all of the businesses requiring min. wage employees will be located 100 yards outside the Seattle city limits.”

That may not be far enough away.

Think of ‘Escape from Seattle’ and the city becoming a rotting cesspool of buildings, druggies and whining liberals.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 10:06:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh; 4Liberty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3151710/posts

Unemployment Drops to 0% as Last Worker Leaves Labor Force
The People’s Cube ^ | May 3, 2014 | Opiate of the People

Posted by 4Liberty

Comrade Barack Obama today became the first to achieve a milestone coveted by enlightened central planners everywhere when the Bureau of Laborious Statistics announced the much-followed totally-meaningless “headline” U3 unemployment rate for last month was ZERO PERCENT! This means that the glorious economic recovery he engineered after the disastrous Bush years has now attained FULL EMPLOYMENT!

It is a tribute to Professor Obama that he was able to find the Holy Grail which eluded history’s greatest economic thinkers such as Lenin, Stalin and Mao. This landmark achievement along with his establishment of free healthcare for everyone via the Affordable Care Act cements his reputation as the Greatest Leader in this or any other universe for all time.

The dramatic moment occurred at 12:03 PM, four weeks to the day after Lyman Yilk, a pipe-fitter from Bittcling, Pa, finally gave up looking for work. Mr. Yilk has been unemployed since 2005 but was on a celebratory bender since the day after Mr. Obama’s first election and did not know that the Keystone Pipeline (which Mr. Yilk was hoping to find work on) had been cancelled due to environmental concerns. When he finally sobered up four weeks ago and learned the project was dead, he abandoned his search to find a job.

Mr. Yilk was the last worker to leave the labor force and turned the lights out as he left. According to the BLS definition:

Quote: U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks. Without Mr. Yilk, there was no one actively looking for work any longer, hence the U3 rate was now ZERO PERCENT, praise Obama!

Gloom-and-doom naysayers were quick to note that the labor force participation rate had also dropped to zero percent which (according to them) was not a good thing as it meant no one was employed. Comrade Nancy Pelosi countered their racist, straw-man argument brilliantly by observing that it also meant no comrade was any longer “job-locked” and each was free to be an artist, writer, hooker, etc, and pursue their passion.

“There is no underestimating this tremendous achievement of Barack Obama” said Paul Klugeman, an expert on hiding declines and fudging economic statistics as well being the self-proclaimed “Conscious Liberal”. “Comrade Obama has achieved the socialist dream of freeing all of The People ™ from the slavery of work and permitting them to live off of someone else’s dime as god, if he existed, would’ve wanted.”

Dr. Klugeman was asked if a problem would arise due to the fact that since no one was working, there would also be no one to pay for the benefits that all the non-workers were collecting.

“Nonsense”, he proclaimed. “The Fed will simply print money for artists and writers and hookers to use to buy things from China! What could go wrong?”

It seems so simple now, it’s a wonder no one ever thought of it sooner.

“The genius of Dear Leader Barack Obama lies in his simplicity”, said Dr. Klugeman.

We agree.


22 posted on 05/03/2014 10:13:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh; 4Liberty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3151710/posts

Unemployment Drops to 0% as Last Worker Leaves Labor Force
The People’s Cube ^ | May 3, 2014 | Opiate of the People

Posted by 4Liberty

Comrade Barack Obama today became the first to achieve a milestone coveted by enlightened central planners everywhere when the Bureau of Laborious Statistics announced the much-followed totally-meaningless “headline” U3 unemployment rate for last month was ZERO PERCENT! This means that the glorious economic recovery he engineered after the disastrous Bush years has now attained FULL EMPLOYMENT!

It is a tribute to Professor Obama that he was able to find the Holy Grail which eluded history’s greatest economic thinkers such as Lenin, Stalin and Mao. This landmark achievement along with his establishment of free healthcare for everyone via the Affordable Care Act cements his reputation as the Greatest Leader in this or any other universe for all time.

The dramatic moment occurred at 12:03 PM, four weeks to the day after Lyman Yilk, a pipe-fitter from Bittcling, Pa, finally gave up looking for work. Mr. Yilk has been unemployed since 2005 but was on a celebratory bender since the day after Mr. Obama’s first election and did not know that the Keystone Pipeline (which Mr. Yilk was hoping to find work on) had been cancelled due to environmental concerns. When he finally sobered up four weeks ago and learned the project was dead, he abandoned his search to find a job.

Mr. Yilk was the last worker to leave the labor force and turned the lights out as he left. According to the BLS definition:

Quote: U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks. Without Mr. Yilk, there was no one actively looking for work any longer, hence the U3 rate was now ZERO PERCENT, praise Obama!

Gloom-and-doom naysayers were quick to note that the labor force participation rate had also dropped to zero percent which (according to them) was not a good thing as it meant no one was employed. Comrade Nancy Pelosi countered their racist, straw-man argument brilliantly by observing that it also meant no comrade was any longer “job-locked” and each was free to be an artist, writer, hooker, etc, and pursue their passion.

“There is no underestimating this tremendous achievement of Barack Obama” said Paul Klugeman, an expert on hiding declines and fudging economic statistics as well being the self-proclaimed “Conscious Liberal”. “Comrade Obama has achieved the socialist dream of freeing all of The People ™ from the slavery of work and permitting them to live off of someone else’s dime as god, if he existed, would’ve wanted.”

Dr. Klugeman was asked if a problem would arise due to the fact that since no one was working, there would also be no one to pay for the benefits that all the non-workers were collecting.

“Nonsense”, he proclaimed. “The Fed will simply print money for artists and writers and hookers to use to buy things from China! What could go wrong?”

It seems so simple now, it’s a wonder no one ever thought of it sooner.

“The genius of Dear Leader Barack Obama lies in his simplicity”, said Dr. Klugeman.

We agree.


23 posted on 05/03/2014 10:13:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Welcome to the brave new world of $10 lattes at Starbucks, and $7 BigMacs at McDonalds..

Also, you should soon see more skilled employees from outside Seattle applying for work...which will cut the number of entry level jobs available for the poor.

Anyone notice that Venezuela just raised its minimum wage by 30%..

24 posted on 05/03/2014 10:20:17 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: The_Reader_David
But more broadly, they do not have a clue about economics at all (or are charlatans who know better but play to a voting base with no clue about economics). The left is an alliance of evil charlatans and the good-hearted, but clueless about economics.

Maybe it is time for those advocating for an unjustified increase in minimum wages to show us how adept they are in identifying sources of additional income to pay for the higher wages.

Where are the journalists to ask these simple questions? It will certainly smoke out the elected officials on their sheer ignorance of basic economics and free enterprise.

The sheer and absolute ignorance is appalling, as is the apathy of the low knowledge voter.

Do any of our schools teach anything about the economics of free enterprise?

25 posted on 05/03/2014 1:51:12 PM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

This is actually a good thing, and I hope Seattle does pass the $15 minimum wage. We know what will happen...it will be an up front in your face failure of the idea that government knows how to set wages.

Let them do this, and let them accept the consequences.


26 posted on 05/03/2014 1:58:44 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Things’ll be getting interesting there soon enough.

Let’s just hope the people wise up and don’t just demand an even higher wage (you know, like they’ve been doing, even though each raise is supposed to bring long-term prosperity).


27 posted on 05/03/2014 6:18:22 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: The_Reader_David; olezip

“Do the socialists have a clue on what are the economics of free enterprise?”

No. The new gal on the city council (Socialist party) was talking about this. She argued that the waiters would still get tips. Something like “Because the owner will be paying the higher wage. They don’t pay the tip - the patron gives the tip.”

The conservative talk-show guy was going after the point that she just wants to punish the owner. I was yelling at the radio “The owner doesn’t pay the waiter - the customer ultimately does!!”

A local pizza restaurant closed up - the cost of ingredients was going up and up. And the price got too high, and people couldn’t afford to go there as much. And the owner was saying how when he had to raise his minimum wage, he had to raise the other’s pay as well as incentive. (And raise the price of pizza).

A year later that spot is still empty on the little strip mall.


28 posted on 05/03/2014 6:28:55 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Lockbox
I agree....if the waiter is getting $15 an hr, tipping should be outlawed....

bet that is one side of the story the stinking leftist don't think about...tips....I would bet that tips make up a substantial amt of waiters money, a lot of it not taxed, and now, there will be no tips, at least not from me, and all their wages will be taxed...

29 posted on 05/04/2014 5:46:37 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Grampa Dave
Seattle is a special place with beautiful neighborhoods, lots of water beaches, easy climate....people will come...

but not me...I'll not spend the extra money....its already over priced and I've seen Seattle...

do I feel bad for people making poor wages?...yes I do...that's why I tip well....

but I "bagged" apples as a kid and picked apples as well, on ladders....very little pay but it was money that I needed, wanted...

30 posted on 05/04/2014 5:51:49 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
Found a 2011 WAGE study that stated "In Washington State, where the minimum wage for wait staff is $9.19, the average wage is $13.00 after gratuity".

So if they raise the minimum to $15 a hour then they would be making more, so no tipping necessary!

31 posted on 05/04/2014 6:51:53 PM PDT by Lockbox
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