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Where Have All the Green Jobs Gone?
The Nation ^ | April 22, 2014 | by Michelle Chen

Posted on 05/03/2014 8:14:38 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

...Five years ago, “green jobs” were all the rage in Washington. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act was rolled out with a win-win agenda aimed at fixing the economy and healing the environment at once. Candidate Obama touted a “blueprint” for a green economy, with plans to create 5 million green jobs.

Though federal green initiatives have provided vital seed money for wind farms and solar-generation projects nationwide, the blue-collar workers who have the most to gain from the projected clean-tech boom are still struggling to find any job, much less a green one.

Indeed, some environmentalists say that green jobs might have been a more sustainable political venture if they had been more realistically billed as part of a broader climate change policy, not a big jobs booster in a slumped economy.

Rather than bean-counting with job statistics and return-on-investment figures, activists can start rethinking green within the context of social protection, and focus on building policies around social equity—from subsidizing green power for low-income households, to shifting jobs from coal plants to the solar panels. Environmentalism can be a populist movement—if the political framing of climate policy centers not on just cutting carbon but cultivating justice.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenation.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: failure; greenjobs; obamanomics; porkulus

1 posted on 05/03/2014 8:14:38 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The real green in Obama’s green revolution was the green color of the money he and his pals stole from taxpayers.


2 posted on 05/03/2014 8:16:50 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“activists can start rethinking green within the context of social protection, and focus on building policies around social equity—from subsidizing green power for low-income households, to shifting jobs from coal plants to the solar panels. Environmentalism can be a populist movement—if the political framing of climate policy centers not on just cutting carbon but cultivating justice.”

scary paragraph


3 posted on 05/03/2014 8:17:57 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

same place as Obama’s past


4 posted on 05/03/2014 8:18:45 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Some 35 years ago I took thermodynamics from a former astronaut. As part of the lecture and homework we worked through dozens of what are now called “green” schemes. None of them made any sense at all. They were tremendously more expensive than oil or coal or natural gas. He debunked all of them. There never were any “green” jobs and there most likely never will be.


5 posted on 05/03/2014 8:21:33 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I just drove from NY to CO for the first time in many years.

Western Iowa, which used to be rolling plains of corn, beans, and occasional tree line with wind gently rippling over it.

Now the view is marred by huge windmills. 500 foot tall monstrosities. I feel that western Iowa has been violated, in order to save a few million cubic feet of natural gas.


6 posted on 05/03/2014 8:23:48 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Same place as:

* Transporter Operator
* Ghost Buster (paid ones with traps and ghost-stopping weapons)
* Flying Car Limo driver
* Bitcoin Bank Teller
* Pleasant DMV clerk


7 posted on 05/03/2014 8:27:24 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Where have all the green jobs gone?

Short time passing.
Where have all the jobs gone?
Short time ago.
Where have all the jobs gone?
The Democrats have closed them ev’ry one.
Oh, When will they ever learn?
Oh, When will they ever learn?


8 posted on 05/03/2014 8:27:55 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The only Green Job™ left is shoveling up all the dead birds around the wind turbines.


9 posted on 05/03/2014 8:28:17 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Gen.Blather

The economic factor is what killed the “green” jobs. There was no incentive to pay more for a product (energy) from some unreliable and uncertain source, so long as there were good reliable sources available.

All the “green energy” schemes were totally dependent on a back-up source of power generation, to even make them feasible. Short summation - why invest in the uncertain and unreliable method, when the certain and reliable source was still vastly cheaper in terms of infrastructure, operating costs, and distribution, and it had to be built anyway?

Every one of these schemes depended on the presence of a back-up in the form of natural gas fired power plants.

When we run out of natural gas (and there is no such thing as “peak production” of natural gas), then we can talk about “alternative energy”.

Unicorns, rainbows, and pixie dust.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 8:33:17 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: traderrob6

Indeed, that is one of the weirdest paragraphs I’ve read in a long time. I worked in scores of industrial and utility power plants as a field service engineer right out of school, and I can tell you, out of the hundreds of plant workers I worked with, NOT ONE was concerned about “cultivating justice.” They cared about getting their checks and keeping their jobs.

The author is saying the envirokooks can create a populist movement if they focus on “cultivating justice.” Shouldn’t populist movements by definition arise on their own free accord? If public opinion has to be shaped and molded so we all see the wonders of “cultivating justice,” then it cannot be a populist movement.

These people are scary because of the outsize disproportionate control they have over our everyday lives. How the tiny extreme fringe of envirokooks came to dictate how we live our lives and force things we don’t want on us is a huge mystery. Shutting down coal plants, destroying dams, light bulbs, microcars with 57 mpg, appliances that don’t work, toilets that don’t flush, and on and on.


11 posted on 05/03/2014 8:34:37 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Gen.Blather

Maybe in 100, 500, 1,000, or 5,000 years when the fossil fuels are finally gone. Fundamental economics will take care of the problem when the time requires it.


12 posted on 05/03/2014 8:36:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gone with the flowers, everyone.
They were illusory just as tax cuts to produce jobs. The jobs were exported by both parties. Restore MADE IN USA and restore prosperity.


13 posted on 05/03/2014 8:38:08 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: Iron Munro

You speak the truth: Obama and his buddies have looted the Treasury of the United States and it will be years until the full amount is completely calculated.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 8:38:24 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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15 posted on 05/03/2014 8:39:03 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

There may be no “fossil” fuels. Companies are finding oil almost everywhere once they get down several miles. The theory is oil is created by deep planet bacteria. Wells that were “dry” in the 1940’s are pumping again. If the fossil theory was true they’d go dry and stay that way. (See book at url.)

http://www.amazon.com/The-Deep-Hot-Biosphere-Fossil/dp/0387952535


16 posted on 05/03/2014 8:41:14 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Jim Noble
And piles of insects. They are attracted to the light and get roasted.
“It appears Ivanpah may act as a ‘mega-trap,’ attracting insects which in turn attract insect-eating birds, which are incapacitated by solar-flux injury, thus attracting predators and creating an entire food chain vulnerable to injury and death,” concluded scientists with the National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory in a report that investigated 233 bird deaths representing 71 species at three Southern California solar power plants. -- Todd Woody, Atlantic, April 28, 2014

17 posted on 05/03/2014 8:42:28 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Obama 'will not rest' until there are more jobs Nov 23, 2009


18 posted on 05/03/2014 8:42:52 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
All of the green jobs went to china, where all of your solar cells and windmills, along with everything else is built, because the leftists and GOP-e sold our country out to make a quick buck, and loot the US economy for all it's worth. The sell your grandmother for a buck crowd will blame unions, taxes, regulations, and laws for this, when in reality, the very same people CREATED those unions, taxes, regulations, and taxes deliberately for the purpose of offshoring and exploitation of legal and illegal immigrants.
19 posted on 05/03/2014 8:45:03 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Cheerio
not resting=playing at..golf....

20 posted on 05/03/2014 8:48:33 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Gen.Blather

Even if Thomas Gold’s theory is correct, it will cost vastly more to drill miles deep. Fundamental economics and free markets should still determine the most cost-effective method to meet the energy demands of consumers.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 8:49:04 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Oil and gas are hydrocarbon based....so are organic ...thus here are the “Green” jobs...in West Texas, ND and other fracking places.


22 posted on 05/03/2014 8:51:32 AM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Even if Thomas Gold’s theory is correct, it will cost vastly more to drill miles deep. “

You are absolutely correct. But I think people should begin to rethink using the words “fossil fuel” which implies once it’s gone it’s gone for good. The result of that thinking is...GO GREEN! Whether it makes sense to do so or not. As you point out, it’ doesn’t make sense to do so until there’s a reason for it. That reason will be economic.


23 posted on 05/03/2014 8:52:53 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: factoryrat

The green jobs went to China but the green jobs billions went to DC lobbyists, community organizers, campaign donors, and other parasites.


24 posted on 05/03/2014 8:53:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
When I was a child my family would travel
Down to Eastern Kentucky where my parents were born
And there's a once prosperous old town that's often remembered
So many times that my memories are worn.

And daddy won't you take me back to old Perry County
Down by the Kentucky River where Economic survival did lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Obama’s Climate Change hoax has hauled it away

Well, sometimes we'd hear lies about the warmest year ever,
But the weatherman would tell us about a 100 year old unbroken heat record,
And real scientists know that CO2 has been detrimental to the Earth never,
And the politicians and carbon credit scammers would like us all to be Algored.

(Parody of John Prine’s Paradise)

25 posted on 05/03/2014 8:54:59 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Long Time Passing”???????????????


26 posted on 05/03/2014 8:57:06 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Iron Munro

Once Again,You Stole My Thunder!!Great Minds???????????


27 posted on 05/03/2014 8:57:51 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

1. The projects are almost all bankrupt.

2. The money has gone into Obama’s cronys’ pockets.

3. Time to move on . . . and create more green jobs!


28 posted on 05/03/2014 9:19:04 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“How the tiny extreme fringe of envirokooks came to dictate how we live our lives and force things we don’t want on us is a huge mystery.”

It began with Richard Nixon’s malignant idea of the EPA. The true believers in the environmentalist religion discovered they could expand their power by writing regulations that had the force of law. By brainwashing the stupid taxpayers into accepting their mainly bogus “Endangered Species” listings, they could take over private property by calling it a ‘wetland,” kill entire industries for the Spotted Owl, and stop dams, developments and agriculture by citing a minnow or salamander’s rights. This should never have happened in the USA.


29 posted on 05/03/2014 9:21:49 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: PATRIOT1876

Bravo!


30 posted on 05/03/2014 9:29:19 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: cicero2k

That’s sad.


31 posted on 05/03/2014 9:38:21 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: traderrob6

It’s The Nation. It’s basically an old school publication for unreconstructed Marxists who are up on using all the new Leftist terminology. No one there with a lick of sense about real business.


32 posted on 05/03/2014 9:54:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: traderrob6

Why I instinctively start puking when I hear that phrase “social justice” or getting “justice” of some sort. When you hear someone spouting that phrase or words, you know you have an ignoramus or an outright communist.


33 posted on 05/03/2014 10:10:48 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ah, the ‘green jobs’ were ‘shovel ready’ and got buried under six feet of decomposing rhetorical compost. Obama told the truth: the jobs died a merciful death after his donors soaked up the taxpayer's millions of dollars in fraudulent payments.
34 posted on 05/03/2014 10:31:08 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Iron Munro

Thank you. I have always said “follow the money”. Additonally, citizens need to be aware that the Environmental Lobby and the Politicians they buy are the greatest danger facing the U.S. Ecoonomy and it’s Security.


35 posted on 05/03/2014 10:42:07 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: SusaninOhio

I’m sure he meant well. Bill O’Reilly stated that Obama is a “Patriot” and “his heart is in the right place.”

You just have to give his genius time to work; it takes time to undo all the damage of Bush and george Washington.

...I’m kidding, of course....


36 posted on 05/03/2014 1:57:52 PM PDT by Reverend Saltine (Saltines are dry, white, and make you thirsty. And then you want more and you get thirsty-er....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Paging Van Jones.
Paging Van Jones.
What did you do with all those green jobs you czared, commie boy?
37 posted on 05/05/2014 2:31:50 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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