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Western powers fomenting Ukrainian Paul:conflict, US should ‘stay out’
RT ^ | 5/2/14 | Ron Paul

Posted on 05/03/2014 9:21:06 AM PDT by duckln

Former United States congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul has called on the US to stay out of the intensifying Ukraine conflict, saying it was Western powers that initially stirred unrest there and which continue to incite the tense situation

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; communism; paulbots; paulistinians; propaganda; putinsbuttboys; russia; russianimperialism; sovietunion; ukraine
This guy has it right
1 posted on 05/03/2014 9:21:06 AM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln
this guy has it right

He does, on foreign affairs and on the damage the Federal Reserve does to our economy.

I've given up on the supposed consitutional conservatives, every one of them. First the Bundy standoff, now Odessa. Not one of them has the instincts to get in front of fast-moving events.

At the very least, they should condemn people dying in a burning building instead of trying to save them. The Sounds of Silence are deafening....

2 posted on 05/03/2014 9:29:59 AM PDT by grania
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To: duckln
Former United States congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul has called on the US to stay out of the intensifying Ukraine conflict

Obama is staying out.

3 posted on 05/03/2014 9:31:44 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: duckln

Soros and the Banksters in the EU are losing too much money. The United States will sacrifice the lives of military personnel to support Soros.


4 posted on 05/03/2014 9:39:13 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: grania
they should condemn people dying in a burning building

you mean those illegal Russian thugs, in a country that wasn't theirs, who were confronted by that country's police?

Authors of their own misfortune.


5 posted on 05/03/2014 9:40:54 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: duckln

Benghazi is bubbling up again.

Need a distraction.


6 posted on 05/03/2014 9:42:08 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: duckln
Good God...can someone put us out of our misery by giving this clown the double lobotomy he so desperately needs.
7 posted on 05/03/2014 9:42:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: canuck_conservative

You really don’t get the value of life, do you?


8 posted on 05/03/2014 9:42:14 AM PDT by grania
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To: duckln

It’s a sad business. People all over the country are suffering, Ukrainian, Russian, and everyone else. There appear to be terrorists and power grabbers on both sides.

But, yes, this article is essentially true. George Soros, the One World crowd, and if certain stories are to be believed, the CIA, started this business by funding and training the terrorists who overthrew the elected President and replaced him with their guy.

The only problem is that they didn’t figure out what would happen next. Obama is a coward, happy to start wars but unwilling to finish them. So the whole thing got out of control and boomeranged back.

Hopefully, Putin has enough sense to stop before it turns into a full-scale war. Because Obama doesn’t have enough sense to pick up his own poops. Or, if the truth be known, he really loves to deposit them all over the place. Gifts and favors to the peons, he thinks.


9 posted on 05/03/2014 9:42:19 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: grania

I have no sympathy for thugs and criminals, if that’s what you mean.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 9:43:35 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: FreeReign
As I posted before, to his credit he is playing it lower key than the McCain led crowd.

He should stop jawboning with Merkle and call off his intimidating defense department, and fire Kerry while he's at it..

11 posted on 05/03/2014 9:45:02 AM PDT by duckln
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To: Cicero
There appear to be terrorists and power grabbers on both sides...

...Hopefully, Putin has enough sense to stop before it turns into a full-scale war.

Are you excluding Putin from your list of terrorists and power grabbers?

12 posted on 05/03/2014 9:51:15 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: duckln
Guess who led us into this conflict.

John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: 'We are here to support your just cause', Dec 2013

13 posted on 05/03/2014 9:55:04 AM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: FreeReign

No. Putin was an opportunist, who saw his chance and stepped in.

He’s gotten most of what he wanted with Crimea, and I just hope he has enough sense to stop there.

I’m not saying that Putin is a nice guy. Just that I think he has more sense than, let’s say, John Kerry, or Obama’s other idiot appointees. Or Juan McCain.

Of course, it’s possible that it’s too late to stop it, since much of the violence now comes from angry people on both sides within Ukraine.

Putin sees his chance to grab some territory and increase his popularity with Russians, by taking back Crimea. And he may be tempted by the “breadbasket” part of Ukraine as well.

But he didn’t actually start this mess. And I certainly don’t think we can count on Obama’s jerks to deal with it unless Putin shows some common sense and doesn’t try to grab too much.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 9:58:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: duckln

How about Russia stays the F#ck out of Ukraine?


15 posted on 05/03/2014 9:58:22 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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To: grania

Were you so tender of the people murdered by Putins Puppets in Kiev ?


16 posted on 05/03/2014 9:59:37 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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Rand Paul is a demagogue.

Rand Paul’s Crimea Flip Flops Disqualify Him For the Presidency
Redstate | March 12th, 2014 at 02:45 PM | streiff
Posted on 3/13/2014 1:42:32 PM by SoConPubbie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3132727/posts


17 posted on 05/03/2014 9:59:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: duckln

What happened in Odessa was the result of Ukrainian citizens fighting pro-Russian, Neo-Soviet, and Communist terrorists who are hell bent on taking Ukraine and returning it to the Soviet orbit (like Belarus is now).


18 posted on 05/03/2014 10:18:29 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Kozak

How about Russia stays the F#ck out of Ukraine?

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DO NOT DISTURB. SKINHEADS AT WORK.


19 posted on 05/03/2014 10:21:03 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: grania

“You really don’t get the value of life, do you?”

Oh, so to you the value of human life is to be tramped upon by Russian thugs? Seriously, those who believe in the value of life believe in the value of freedom - and that means freedom from Russian oppression.


20 posted on 05/03/2014 10:23:06 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Kozak; canuck_conservative; Cicero

Are you guys as disturbed as I am at how many Freepers have suddenly bought into Russia’s propaganda on the Ukraine? I can’t get over it. It’s shocking.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 10:25:29 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Psalm 144

“DO NOT DISTURB. SKINHEADS AT WORK.”

Russia probably has more skinheads than any nation on earth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs1tn-v6mko


22 posted on 05/03/2014 10:27:43 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Take them bowling.


23 posted on 05/03/2014 10:32:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: vladimir998

I’m disgusted. There are a bunch like goldstategop and terclaf who seem to work 24-7 spewing Russian propaganda . To the point I’ve actually had to skip a lot of threads to keep from getting angry.

As an aside, shouldn’t your handle be Vladimir 988 ?


24 posted on 05/03/2014 10:35:16 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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To: vladimir998

Russia probably has more skinheads than any nation on earth.

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Perhaps these unibrows have skinhead envy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqlPvK8QtR8


25 posted on 05/03/2014 10:53:06 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: dfwgator

“Take them bowling.”

Heck, I would take them all out for a beer if I could get them to stop being skinheads.


26 posted on 05/03/2014 10:54:58 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Kozak

“As an aside, shouldn’t your handle be Vladimir 988 ?”

Well, that was taken elsewhere. And so was vladimir999. So, I simply took vladimir998.


27 posted on 05/03/2014 10:56:18 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Psalm 144

“Perhaps these unibrows have skinhead envy?”

Next you’ll blame the Jews since so many of them support a free Ukraine:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/163972/jews-in-maidan

After all the pro-Russian side keeps blaming Mossad and the Jews. And the Jews keep blaming the Russians: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/03/who-s-really-behind-ukraine-s-synagogue-attacks.html


28 posted on 05/03/2014 11:01:10 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Psalm 144

Perhaps they just want to be like their big Russian brothers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVFg0rLhY2w


29 posted on 05/03/2014 11:03:31 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Next you’ll blame the Jews since so many of them support a free Ukraine:

**********

I do blame one.

http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about/offices-foundations/international-renaissance-foundation

Every culture has its kapos.


30 posted on 05/03/2014 11:13:10 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: duckln

He sure has. The EU kept pushing East. Russia said No. We then decided to dis our potential ally against China and Islam. The EU wants us to bail them out with economic and military force. Sounds like another wipe out Iraq because Iran is our enemy. Sorry EU this one is on you.


31 posted on 05/03/2014 11:28:54 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: vladimir998
There are two or more sides to every issue. Side 2 is not in the MSM by design, 'propaganda' by omission.

Rand Paul, an American icon has his take and it's published verbatim on RT. Why do you call that propaganda by the Russians.

I don't think Ron Paul is taken in by the propaganda. Quite the opposite, you are.

32 posted on 05/03/2014 11:47:09 AM PDT by duckln
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To: vladimir998

Got it. My patronymic is “ Vladimirovich” , so I’m partial to it.


33 posted on 05/03/2014 11:58:30 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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To: ex-snook
The EU kept pushing East. Russia said No.

It's up to the Ukrainians if they want to be EU. It's not Russia's call to say what the people of Ukraine should do.

Sounds like another wipe out Iraq because Iran is our enemy.

Last I checked it's Russia that is paling around with Iran, enriching there uranium.

Sorry EU this one is on you.

Sorry, but it's stunning I see this POV on FR.

34 posted on 05/03/2014 1:06:26 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Obama gives us a chance to see how libertarianism works in foreign affairs and national defense, we will be able to see the effects in time.


35 posted on 05/03/2014 1:17:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: duckln

I wasn’t commenting specifically about anything by Paul. I do think, however, that this whole crisis shows Paul to be something of a twit about Russia, however:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3132727/posts

Quite frankly neither of the Pauls ever impressed me as very knowledgeable about anything overseas. I think their tendency toward isolationism has made them rather dimwitted about geo-political realities.


36 posted on 05/03/2014 1:40:04 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: All

Paulians Unite....all for conspiracies...conspiracies for all


37 posted on 05/03/2014 1:44:18 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: duckln

“Rand Paul, an American icon “

Stop right there.

Those cinema pics of him dressed as one of the Laurel and Hardy duo, are not real.


38 posted on 05/03/2014 1:50:09 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: vladimir998
You surely set a high bar.

A medical doctor raises a medical doctor. While both still practicing, the first gets elected as a US representative, and the second gets elected US senator.

And you label them both as twits. Amazing. You must consider yourself a genius.

:]

39 posted on 05/03/2014 9:20:10 PM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln

“And you label them both as twits. Amazing. You must consider yourself a genius.”

No, I just know isolationism doesn’t work. To know that fact requires no genius.


40 posted on 05/04/2014 5:04:08 AM PDT by vladimir998
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