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Putinís vengeful plan to take back the old Russian†empire
nypost.com ^ | May 3, 2014 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 05/03/2014 1:46:56 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Putin has become a Great-Russian nationalist, a bigoted throwback to the days before the Bolsheviks arrived. His intent is to regain all the lands that once belonged to the czars.

When President Obama declared in March that Putin “has no ideology,” he betrayed his ignorance of both history and Putin. Who’s briefing this guy?

Putin’s ideology is nationalism, the only belief system that may have killed as many human beings as Marxism. And when a “post-modern” talk-talk America president faces a Russian leader who’s a man of action and whose concept of nationhood refers to the late 19th century, our cherished negotiations merely seal the deal on what Putin’s already taken (anyone really think he’ll give back Crimea and flee from eastern Ukraine?).

Obama talks, Putin kills.

And make no mistake, Putin truly believes he’s entitled to reclaim Ukraine and a great deal more. In his view, independent capitals from Warsaw (yes, Warsaw) to Bishkek are integral and natural parts of the Russian imperium. He regards them as property stolen from its rightful owner: Moscow.

The Putin Doctrine gives Moscow the right, in his view, to intervene wherever ethnic Russians or merely Russian speakers are “threatened.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; russia; sovietunion

1 posted on 05/03/2014 1:46:56 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Putin Doctrine provides a justification for ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians from other countries.


2 posted on 05/03/2014 1:51:44 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Putin’s ideology is nationalism, the only belief system that may have killed as many human beings as Marxism. “

This makes me think of those parody articles warning of the dangers of di-hydrogen monoxide, because it has killed millions of people.

Unique among nations, Russia has nationalism! Evil!
It’s good America is not so evil, because we have no nationalism at all.
A lack of nationalism is completely ideal.
The states that give up their culture and identity in europe for an unelected bureaucracy and unimpeded immigration are best.


3 posted on 05/03/2014 2:39:04 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos

It’s not “nationalism” that is evil. Just what Russia does with theirs.


4 posted on 05/03/2014 3:55:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Mount Athos; Tailgunner Joe

“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.” - Strobe Talbot, Deputy Secretary of State under Bill Clinton, Time Magazine, 1992


5 posted on 05/03/2014 3:56:08 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Mount Athos; Candor7; little jeremiah
REBUILDING RUSSIA

Manifesto for a rebirth of Russia.

Author: Alexander Solzhenitsyn, first published in Moscow 1990.

Enough, says Russia's most influential living writer, enough of party bureaucracy, enough of Communist power, enough of a society built on lies. What is needed are not the half-measures of perestroika but a root-and-branch reform that will give the Russians back their country and revitalise the traditional values of the people...

6 posted on 05/03/2014 4:09:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Mount Athos
Russians pay tribute to Solzhenitsyn - Posted 8/5/2008

Vladimir Putin, now prime minister after eight years as president, was among the mourners who stopped to express his condolences.

Putin later called for Solzhenitsyn's works to become an important part of Russia's school curriculum.

"Together with the entire nation, he lived through a great tragedy of repressions," Putin said in a televised meeting with Russia's education minister. "But he not only lived through it, but ... by his works and his entire life, he inoculated our society against tyranny in all its forms."

SOURCE

7 posted on 05/03/2014 4:20:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Just look at that face! So benevolent. Who would think he’d disband a church for holding Sunday school classes?


8 posted on 05/03/2014 4:48:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putin is not a nationalist. No patriot would steal as he has from the people of Russia. Putin is about Putin. And protecting his kleptocracy. He is a dangerous man who dreams of recreating the USSR and being buried in Lenin tomb.


9 posted on 05/03/2014 4:50:00 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Mount Athos

When I read this my 1st thought was, “nationalism is within our own borders, think LaRaza. They believe that we stole their land and they have vowed to take it back.”

Islamists would like to conquer us and either convert us to their religion or subject us to 2nd class citizen status.

Best we develop a bit of our own nationalism before we lose our country.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 4:56:06 PM PDT by kalee
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To: 1rudeboy
...Who would think he’d disband a church for holding Sunday school classes?

Interesting, do you have a source you can share about that?

11 posted on 05/03/2014 4:56:54 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Your are right. Putin’s desire is to recreate the imperial Russia of the tsars.


12 posted on 05/03/2014 5:14:13 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

Putin has the mentality of the Tsars. They both believe the Russian people are a cow to be milked and nothing more.


13 posted on 05/03/2014 5:22:09 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Fred Nerks

Yeah, I do. But I’m in the middle of a bunch of crap right now. Give me maybe 30-45 minutes.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 5:22:42 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Fred Nerks
Here is the story to which I was referring. Here is one I found by accident, from 2008.
15 posted on 05/03/2014 5:45:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Bingo. Leave it to someone the buy into the U.N.’s definition of the problems with Nationalism.

Nations that want sacrosanct borders are evil.
Nations that want to maintain their own culture are evil too, if they aren’t in Africa or the Middle-East, and only then if not Israel.
Nations are evil if they arm for conflict, discouraging adventurism amongst their enemies.

The U.N. has no territory, no citizens, and no right to make decisions for any sovereign nation.

Time to cut the power at Edison.


16 posted on 05/03/2014 5:46:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: 1rudeboy
... The church’s hostility toward Protestant groups, many of which are based in the United States or have large followings there...

Learn to read between the lines.

17 posted on 05/03/2014 6:22:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Why don’t you help me read between the lines?


18 posted on 05/03/2014 6:53:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

It’s not something one can teach. I suggest you carefully and thoroughly read both articles at the links you gave me and try to work out just why certain denominations might not be welcome to teach unless they had the required permission to do so.


19 posted on 05/03/2014 6:59:48 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

No. Apart from reading that the Russian authorities do not approve of certain denominations, then there’s nothing with which you can help, if you choose not to do so.


20 posted on 05/03/2014 7:07:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Your initial comment that Sunday Schools were closed down in Russia was just a little narrow imo. I’m sure that those denominations which have the required permission to teach have no problems operating Sunday Schools.

If Russia doesn’t want certain protestant denominations whose origins are from foreign countries, there’s little you or anyone else can do about it.

The idea of certain denominations using religion to undermine a government shouldn’t come as a total surprise to you, should it? Don’t you wish the same applied to islam, which isn’t a religion but a cult bent on domination?

Freedom of religion is somewhat of a two-edged sword, as we are all discovering. Islam gets all the freedom, and we get nothing. Using religion as subversion is not going to be tolerated in Russia, and that might be a good thing in the long run.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 7:27:30 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, Putin will beat back Islam from Russia’s shores.These Muslims of today once were allies of fascists whom communist Russia abhorred.That has not changed much. They merely wax more Islamofascist that they did in 1945 under the Grand Mufti of Palestine,Mohammed Amin al-Husseini , Hitlers ally.

Its a variant remake of the old Communist/Fascist war, but
we have NATO Euroweenies confusing the issue along with the USA’s lead Muslim, BH Obama.Putin will continue handing Obama his own arse for a very long time.


22 posted on 05/03/2014 7:33:34 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Fred Nerks

Russia’s continued low-level harassment of the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t fit within your theory. How can that be excused under the rubric of state security?


23 posted on 05/03/2014 7:35:39 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard

I’m no prophet, but the statements of the current Pope don’t instil any confidence in me, so take it or leave it and let Russia make its own decisions.
They are obviously quite happy with their Orthodox beliefs. Surely you’re not advocating that NATO acts in any way against Russia because the Vatican isn’t happy?

It’s bad enough the Tartar muslims threatened to bring their jihad fighters home from Syria if NATO didn’t do something to assist them to achieve autonomy in the Crimea.


24 posted on 05/03/2014 7:45:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Candor7

NATO committed War Crimes in Libya. The only reason they have been unable to do the same in Syria is because you-know-who stood in their way.

The Tartar muslims want NATO to do for them what NATO did in Kosovo and Libya.

NOT THIS TIME.


25 posted on 05/03/2014 7:50:19 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Sides change. Meaning the totalitarian USSR is not what Russia is today, and Reagan’s USA is not what we have today. NATO and the EU are slime, and as usual, 0bastard’s foreign policy is wrong 100%. Even a stopped clock is right by accident twice a day.


26 posted on 05/03/2014 8:09:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Kennard; little jeremiah; Candor7

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3140189/posts

http://www.voanews.com/content/crimean-tatars-want-un-peacekeepers/1883983.html

excerpt:

After the meeting, Dzhemilev told VOA’s Russian service he feared Crimean Tatars could be the targets of violence under Russian rule, and he would like to see international peacekeepers deployed to Crimea.

“We have serious fears about what can happen there, and asked for the introduction of U.N. peacekeeping forces,” he said. “But since that is something decided by the U.N. Security Council, where Russia has the right to veto, this is quite unlikely.”

A second option, Dzhemilev said, would be to send in NATO forces, as was done in Kosovo.


27 posted on 05/03/2014 8:13:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140314-crimea-tatars-referendum-russia-muslim-ethnic-history-culture/

WHO ARE THE CRIMEAN TARTARS?

....Some of the children of the deported—raised in Uzbekistan and now adults—have returned to become leaders. Refat Chubarov, head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People, the representative body of the Tatars, has called on his people—there are now approximately 300,000 Tatars in Crimea—to peacefully boycott the referendum. Nevertheless, some Crimean Tatars have vowed to oppose secession, with force if necessary.

According to Western press reports, some Tatars fighting with the rebels in Syria have offered to return to join the cause...


28 posted on 05/03/2014 8:16:23 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah

The tribute to Solzhenitsyn and the inclusion of his works in the Russian curriculum really aught to tell us something.


29 posted on 05/03/2014 8:58:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

It tells me a lot.

“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”


30 posted on 05/03/2014 9:36:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3151903/posts

Kosovo independence: Russia warns of separatist storm
Christian Science Monitor ^ | February 20, 2008 | Fred Weir

Posted on 04 May 2014 02:51:18 PM by Mount Athos

Russian President Vladimir Putin charges that Western support for the newly declared state, torn from Serbia this week, is “immoral and illegal” behavior that will provoke a global storm of separatism and explode the international order.

~~~snip

[Mr. Dugin]”We should embrace the same double standards that the West practices,” he says. “Russia will crush separatism on its own territory even more drastically than before, while supporting pro-Russian separatists elsewhere. It will be easy to explain this to the Russian people. It’s the end of so-called morality-based foreign policy; now only power decides.”


31 posted on 05/03/2014 10:55:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Agreed in spades!


32 posted on 05/04/2014 4:46:19 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: 1rudeboy

Perhaps the Orthodox Church in Russia doesn’t see homosexuality as a religious right?

Meet the Christian Leaders Who Are Suing for Gay Marriage as a Religious Right
http://news.yahoo.com/meet-christian-leaders-suing-gay-marriage-religious-144736933.html ^ | May 3, 2014 | Solvej Schou

Posted on 04 May 2014 06:35:06 AM by lbryce

Rev. Nancy Ellett Allison has joyfully officiated same-sex marriages in her corner of the conservative South since 2006.

“It is just a delight to be able to help these couples celebrate their lives together and work with them to craft their vows,” said Allison, her bright voice laced with a twang.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3151787/posts


33 posted on 05/04/2014 2:05:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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