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George Will: Obamacare Doomed Under Constitution's Origination Clause
Newsmax ^ | Saturday, 03 May 2014 | Sandy Fitzgerald

Posted on 05/03/2014 3:01:05 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

Two years ago, when the Supreme Court declared Obamacare's penalty to be a tax, it doomed the healthcare reform act as an "unconstitutional violation of the origination clause," columnist George Will says.

This Thursday, the Washington, D.C., Court of Appeals, the nation's second-most important court, will hear arguments on whether the Affordable Care Act adheres to the Constitution's "origination clause," which declare that "all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills," Will writes in his column in The Washington Post Saturday.

Will points out that the Democrat-controlled Senate passed Obamacare on a party-line vote "without a Democratic vote to spare, after a series of unsavory transactions that purchased the assent of several shrewdly extortionate Democrats.

Thursday's arguments, said Will, will show that the act was "indisputably a revenue measure" that did not originate in the House, which later passed the House on yet another party-line vote.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abolishobamacare; abortion; deathpanels; georgewill; obamacare; originationclause; rino; scotus; zerocare
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The "Constitutional scholar" Barack Obama going to be slapped down once and for all with this monstrosity.
1 posted on 05/03/2014 3:01:05 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The courts are lawless, and if the law mattered, the Roberts ACA opinion would never have been written. Don’t hold your breath.


2 posted on 05/03/2014 3:02:51 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Won’t matter. The Constitution was rendered meaningless centuries ago.


3 posted on 05/03/2014 3:03:50 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

"Do not worry, my lord, we EXEMPT in the GOP
agree that the Constitution is not relevant anymore."

4 posted on 05/03/2014 3:04:52 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Hotlanta Mike

What the Constitution says and what SCOTUS does are completely mutually exclusive.


5 posted on 05/03/2014 3:06:20 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

How many years from now?


6 posted on 05/03/2014 3:07:47 PM PDT by safetysign
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To: Hotlanta Mike
George Will points out that the Democrat-controlled Senate passed Obamacare on an historic straight party-line vote after a series of unsavory transactions that purchased the assent of several shrewdly extortionate Democrats.

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The $4.3 billion "Louisisana Purchase."

THE PAPER TRAIL IS HUGE Sen Landrieu (Scumocrat-LA) sold her aye vote in what Forbes Magazine dubbed "The 'Louisiana Purchase" that included a massive $4.3 Billion to Landrieu.

FORBES REPORTED the Democrats’ nailed Landrieu’s support for Obamacare w/ a greenback bribe. Landrieu, critics believe, pledged her vote in exchange for some $200 million more additional federal funds for Louisiana. Except that, due to a drafting error, the law ended up giving Louisiana $4.3 billion: more than twenty times the assigned amount. MORE HERE http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

How $4.3 billion to Landrieu was attached to the Obamacare bill, and how Obama and Reid failed to catch and fix it, is yet annother indictment of the Obamacare atrocity. The payoff to Landrieu should be investigated as an indication of how EVERY Democrat came to vote for Obamacare.

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BACKSTORY In the fall of 2009, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was trying to get the necessary 60 Dimocrat votes to pass the Affordable Care Act. He needed every Dim on board, which gave waffling senators a great deal of leverage. In Landrieu's case, she connivingly saw that selling her aye vote could get her maybe $200 million federal dollars. Obama complied--- Reid chalked up another vote for Obamacare---and the $4.3 Landrieu giveaway was attached to the Obamacare bill.

<><> Where'd the money go, Obama? <><>

7 posted on 05/03/2014 3:08:11 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Hotlanta Mike; All

It can’t be a tax.

If it’s a tax, it’s a tax on life itself.

That’s the way I read it, the only way any reasonable person can read it.


8 posted on 05/03/2014 3:08:46 PM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

As if the Constitutions means anything anymore.


9 posted on 05/03/2014 3:09:05 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Liz

<><> Where’d the money go, Obama? <><>

They bought all the stock to keep the market up.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 3:09:08 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Hotlanta Mike

This long from over. There is no severibility clause in the ACA. Anything within the act that is held as being unconstitutional will kill the entire law. Hobby Lobby would kill it, origination would kill it too.


11 posted on 05/03/2014 3:09:50 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: gorush

Centuries, as in something like 1650?


12 posted on 05/03/2014 3:10:12 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30
Only the first three articles. Throw in the sixth for good measure.

-PJ

13 posted on 05/03/2014 3:11:32 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Jonty30

I was thinking more along the lines of 1799 during the first Adams administration and the Alien and Sedition Acts...but modern day events make that look amateurish.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 3:13:09 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Seriously? Like the Constitution matters?


15 posted on 05/03/2014 3:14:25 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: rottndog
There are two constitutions, the written one you refer to, and one used by government, the Frankenstein Constitution.
16 posted on 05/03/2014 3:17:34 PM PDT by Jacquerie (By their oaths, it is the duty of state legislators to invoke Article V.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

By whom? Not by lawmakers; they just handed him exactly what Montesquieu warned us against.


17 posted on 05/03/2014 3:18:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I’ve long thought that Roberts set a trap when he said it was a revenue bill. There had to be some reason to take that road instead of an outright judgement that it was unconstitutional on its face.

Now the courts are faced with a very narrow issue about the constitutionality of the law.


18 posted on 05/03/2014 3:20:31 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I wish.


19 posted on 05/03/2014 3:21:06 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Jonty30

That’s when the Constitution originated, according to Sheila Jackson-Lee....

Some would claim it became null and void in the early 1800’s after Madison & the Founding Fathers departed.


20 posted on 05/03/2014 3:21:09 PM PDT by mikrofon (Founders BUMP)
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To: HMS Surprise
This is still far from over. There is no severibility clause in the ACA. Anything within the act that is held as being unconstitutional will kill the entire law. Hobby Lobby would kill it, origination would kill it, too.

Deserves a repeat---nice to have a "constitutional scholar" in the WH, isnt it?

21 posted on 05/03/2014 3:22:18 PM PDT by Liz
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To: djf

>> “If it’s a tax, it’s a tax on life itself.” <<

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The med mafia is “a tax on life itself.”
.


22 posted on 05/03/2014 3:23:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s a tax on ‘breathing’


23 posted on 05/03/2014 3:27:55 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: editor-surveyor

Well, you have guaranteed to you “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...” by the Declaration.

And as far as I have read, the Declaration trumps even the Constitution.


24 posted on 05/03/2014 3:28:09 PM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I Have Said This For Years!Article 1/Section 7:”All Bills For Raising Revenue Shall ORIGINATE In The House of Representatives”!!!This is why I was TOTALLY”Blind-Sided”by Roberts when he called”The Individual Mandate”a”TAX”!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 05/03/2014 3:30:28 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: HMS Surprise
I thought SCOTUS already ruled the Obamacare Act doesn't say what it says, but rather says whatever it should have said to make it constitutional.


26 posted on 05/03/2014 3:32:19 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Technically, the ACA originated in the House.


27 posted on 05/03/2014 3:33:54 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Hotlanta Mike
At the very least, the practice of stripping a bill of it's entire contents and replacing it, should get condemned.

But I think we might be in for a dissappointment if we are expecting a complete slap down. Given that the senate, house and President all passed this monstrosity, and given that's it's already partly implemented, I don't see a judge doing a complete smack down.

I'm trying to think of what options the judge might have:


28 posted on 05/03/2014 3:34:27 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Hotlanta Mike
the Constitution's "origination clause," which declare that "all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

"What difference does it make?" /s

29 posted on 05/03/2014 3:34:40 PM PDT by oldbrowser (This looks like a make it or break it point for America.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

There is no way Obamacare is getting the axe on origination clause grounds. If they are willing to go directly against the plain wording of the Constitution at times, a technicality is not going to stop them. This is wishful thinking. I hope I’m wrong, but there’s just no way this thing gets killed by the Court now.


30 posted on 05/03/2014 3:34:42 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Re-post of a story from four years ago.


31 posted on 05/03/2014 3:34:45 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: gorush

I think it’s unfortunate that those involved in writing the Constitution were so quick to try and twist it to their benefit,


32 posted on 05/03/2014 3:38:07 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Floor wax or dessert topping? It's both!
33 posted on 05/03/2014 3:38:49 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: achilles2000

But who will call the Current Regime out on this egregious violation of the provisions of the US Constitution? Law that is not enforced is the same as no law at all.

The Supreme Court, on a very narrow finding, declared the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010” a tax bill. But since its genesis was in the SENATE, and not the House, it was drawn up not in conformity with the very clear wording of the Constitution.

Article I, Section 7, is totally unambiguous. “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives....”

Who has standing to bring this to the attention of the Supreme Court?


34 posted on 05/03/2014 3:38:52 PM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: achilles2000

Only one person declared it a tax. Roberts. The rest of the court did not. However, the minority from last time might agree that it is a tax under prior court rulings, so that would give 5 justices. Then those 5 would have to find that the constitution still exists. As you said, I would not be on this being a winning argument. Whatever they had on Roberts, they still have it, and I’m not sure that Thomas and Scalia will go along with any arguments that are too clever by half.


35 posted on 05/03/2014 3:39:03 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

October 5, 2013 4:00 AM

Obamacare’s Unconstitutional Origins
Tax legislation has to originate in the House; the health-care law didn’t.
By Andrew C. McCarthy

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/360460/print


36 posted on 05/03/2014 3:39:55 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The courts are not our friend, Sir; best to wake up and smell the coffee.

Methinks George’s day has come and gone.


37 posted on 05/03/2014 3:40:43 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: wildbill

“I’ve long thought that Roberts set a trap when he said it was a revenue bill. There had to be some reason to take that road instead of an outright judgement that it was unconstitutional on its face.”

that’s the one i’m betting on. here’s why. I don’t believe he really believed his argument. he is much too smart.
that only leaves two possibilities. one, your above argument, or two, the previously postulated argument that the nsa, having a line on everything, had him blackmailed. if its number two, then we’re all doomed anyway.
i’m giving a bigger percentage chance that the nsa has not become an evil (well, not totally) organization.


38 posted on 05/03/2014 3:42:31 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I would like to think that all that George Will says is true but I don’t think it has any juice behind it. George Will is not by any stretch the first to bring this up. This subject has been brought up on FR several times since the SCOTUS ruled ACA was Constitutional as a tax.

Where the origination clause argument breaks down is the dems who controlled the House in 2009 passed a bill that was aimed at providing veteran homeowners tax relief, then the Senate gutted it and inserted ACA into it. Then it was sent back to the House conference where Pelosi ‘deemed it passed’.

In other words a bill involving tax relief or taxes originated in the House, was changed by the Senate and accepted and passed by the House.

So there is no there there.

The case will not go anywhere.

The only way to get rid of Obamacare is to repeal it. And the way to do that is to take the Senate in 2014 with true conservatives and then take the White House in 2016 with a true conservative. This is why the internecine struggle between establishment republicans and Tea Party conservatives is so important because it determines if the USA will be full blown socialist in its future or not.

Origination clause arguments like nullification arguments are distractions and lead nowhere.


39 posted on 05/03/2014 3:43:18 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: rottndog
"WhWhat the Constitution says and what SCOTUS does are completely mutually exclusive."

And it's getting more the case that they are mutually opposed.

40 posted on 05/03/2014 3:46:33 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Hostage

It has taken this long for it to wind its way through the courts. Let it play out.


41 posted on 05/03/2014 3:49:51 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: DannyTN

It’s going to be ruled null and void and then Congress would have to start-over from scratch. How about that?


42 posted on 05/03/2014 3:51:57 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Steely Tom

Re-post of a story from four years ago.


This Thursday, the Washington, D.C., Court of Appeals, the nation’s second-most important court, will hear arguments on whether the Affordable Care Act adheres to the Constitution’s “origination clause,” which declares that “all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills,” Will writes in his column in The Washington Post Saturday.


43 posted on 05/03/2014 3:53:06 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
This thread is not the re-post.

George Will's article is the re-post.

44 posted on 05/03/2014 3:55:21 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The big test will be the right of families who have lost loved ones to 0bamacare to sue the government . . . that alone could reach into the billions on damages alone.


45 posted on 05/03/2014 4:04:40 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: achilles2000; All
The courts are lawless, and if the law mattered, the Roberts ACA opinion would never have been written. Don’t hold your breath.

The courts, sadly, are an excellent example of lipstick on a pig imo.

Also, can anybody volunteer an example of Mr. Will noting, like Judge Andrew Napolitano did, that healthcare is not one of the powers that the states delegated to Congress in the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I?

Judge Napolitano & the Constitution

46 posted on 05/03/2014 4:04:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: djf

I agree on that premise.


47 posted on 05/03/2014 4:06:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
If anyone seriously thinks Obamacare will be slapped down, in part or in whole, is borderline insane. TPTB, namely the ruling political class with it's two supporting parties comfortably controlling every election in this nation since the Reagan surprise, need this law in order to control the population. The next unconstitutional nightmare facing our beleaguered nation is the insidious NPV compact of liberal states that will skewer the electoral college by changing the way electoral votes are assigned. That will become the law of the land if the elitist Progressive Republican wing of the Democrat party takes the same approach as it has for the last 2 years for every other fight opportunity. Repeal the Patriot Act. Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Repeal the just passed NDAA. Reinstate Glass- Stegall. Eliminate the Departments of the Interior, Energy, Education, Homeland Security, Agriculture, and Labor. Either black grant the savings back to the states or institute a 17% Fair Tax. Freeze the budget. Eliminate money paid to GSEs and NGOs.
48 posted on 05/03/2014 4:09:53 PM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: cashless; Hotlanta Mike; Liz; All

Gohmert on Meaning of The Origination Clause

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWub44O1oTs


49 posted on 05/03/2014 4:13:29 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I have no control with what happens to it. I’m just cautioning Freepers not to get their hopes wound up around it.


50 posted on 05/03/2014 4:18:13 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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