Skip to comments.So what would the GOP do with the Senate if they got it?
Posted on 05/03/2014 6:38:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
There are precious few sure bets in American politics, but if Nate Silver starts giving you a 60% chance at something you generally pay attention. And that’s the odds Nate is laying out for the GOP to retake the Senate. But for a group of people who seem so entirely hell bent for leather on getting this done, we don’t really know what they plan to do with it if they get it. Over at Outside the Beltway, Doug shares some predictions from Michael Tomasky, who is not particularly optimistic.
Lets start with the bleak view. If the Republicans win the Senate, says Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, the conclusion theyre going to draw is obstruction works, and theyre going to double down on it. So theyll be thinking, Why go out of our way to do stuff and why compromise when in two years we can win it all?
Ornsteins frequent collaborator, Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution, thinks that while it should make sense that Republicans eyeing a 2016 White House win would want to have some accomplishments to point to, we shouldnt bet on it. The interests of the party in 16 are clear, but whether that proves sufficient to produce something positive out of the Republicans in Congress is a big reach, says Mann. They almost have an incentive to keep the economy going at a more tepid rate.
Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress, agrees. A GOP Senate takeover would be terrible for Obamas presidency, Tanden says. It would spell the end of any progress on any legislative action and with GOP control of both houses of Congress, Republicans would set up debates to help their presidential candidates in 2016. And of course, investigations of the administration would double.
What about the senators themselves? New Yorks Chuck Schumer predicts: It would let loose six years of right-wing frustration. The potential for gridlock is enormous.
Doug doesn’t have much more of a chipper outlook, but I have to wonder if some of these folks are relying a bit too heavily on recent history repeating itself. It’s easy to look at the current lay of the land and assume that with Barack Obama in office for the next two years, nothing much will change. But the ability to get bills out of committee in both chambers and send a finished piece of legislation to the President’s desk has a particular value all of its own. In the current configuration, Democrats can simply point to the divided nature of government as a reason for a lack of progress. But if Congress can begin shoveling finished legislation, approved by the elected representatives of the people, the picture changes.
It would be worth drafting up a number of bills and sending them to Barack Obama’s desk. If he simply vetoes them all, then he is the bottleneck for the next two years. And if he somehow manages to sign something in the spirit of bipartisanship? Bonus.
They’d have a dinner party, pat themselves on the back and round-table discussions on how to further discredit the ‘Tea Party’.
Ya know...the group that poses the greatest threat and all...
Depends on who is in charge. Give me Lee or Cruz and pop some popcorn!
Renew club memberships and tremble at the reins in their hands.
IT DEPENDS .if they won the Senate, but McConnell was beaten in Kentucky, it would usher in a whole new era. if they win the Senate, and McConnell wins in Kentucky, then probably not much.
“Chuck Schumer predicts: It would let loose six years of right-wing frustration. The potential for gridlock is enormous.’”
I’ll take gridlock over the crud your party have been wrecking the country with the past six years, jerk.
What they SHOULD do and what they WILL do are two entirely different things. The GOP has a history of pissing away any advantage that they might have.
Basket ball court?
Pass an amnesty bill. Raise the debt ceiling. Fund Obamacare again.
They would do whatever Dingy Harry and Chucky Schumer tell them to.
Otherwise they will be called racists and homophobes and haters of chirrun.
Probably just “get along” with the commie libs and surrender to any demands, aka “compromise”, they have.
It’ll take a hundred years to fix the six years of liberal destruction unleashed on us by these people.
They would get right to work, on helping the rats regain power. We have seen this dog and pony show before.
Judging on their performance of the past 6 years, I am sure that they would step up their attacks on real conservatives, like the Tea Party adherents, and join in the stuck-on-stupid attacks on legal immigration, reduced taxation and reduced national spending.
What price have they paid for continuing to be the National Eunuch Party?
I too agree we have a good chance at retaking the senate and this will be a big help, but don’t expect too much. Don’t forget, the dims had the perfect storm for a couple years where they had huge senate numbers, a majority house and the presidency, which is how we got the ACA.
The same thing they did under Jorge Arbusto el Segundo: NOTHING. We had it all and the pubbies threw it all away. No second chances when the Republic is on the line.
Appoint the right Attorney General with balls, and it's party time with Executive Orders, Baby!
The precedent has been established and, if nothing else, the eternal progressive Constitutional Criminal Crooks might actually teach Republicans how to frustrate the next round of Unconstitutional elected and appointed criminal public servants.
With the senators we have now nothing changes. McCain et al must be retired with every primary opportunity.
Republicans will do nothing.
Sadly, I’ve reached the point that I believe that even if you gave them 100% of the seats, they still wouldn’t do the things that are the most critically important to the saving of the republic.
“Share power”, bloviate, make excuses for failing to move the ball on freedom, mealy-mouth, and surrender even though they outnumber their enemies. They’re the GOP, what did you think they were going to do?
would crawl on broken glass to vote in primary
We have a winner...
If the Republicans win the Senate there will be an increase in the number of executive orders.
There are a lot of defeatist posts to this thread.
If the republicans take control of the senate (highly likely),
it would still not be enough to push back the federal behemoth.
But, it would be enough to stop the beast’s advance.
Even (wishful thinking) with 60 votes in the Senate,
no, it would not be enough votes for impeachment, and
no, it would not be enough votes to override a presidential veto.
Budget bills would likely result in another government shutdown,
and it would sit squarely on the head of the executive branch.
Unqualified judges appointed?
Item number one would be to give Harry back the fillibuster.
So, the Senate should stay Democrat? Is that what you're saying?
Give up? Surrender? Continue the ‘fundamental transformation of America’ that Barry started, but maybe ease up on the gas a teeny tinny bit?
What they SHOULDN’T do is roll back the nuclear option. At least not until they’ve rubbed the Democrats’ faces in it.
Unless the GOP fully embraces the TP, they have NO hope of taking the Senate....NONE!
power sharing just like the last time they controlled it
they can control and work in sync with the house.
obama will veto everything.
if both have veto-proof majorities they can override the vetoes.
they can begin impeachment and vote on removal after impeachment and succeed if they had the balls.
already know the answer. we had the presidency, supremes and both houses of congress and Daschle still ran the country. Our guys don’t know how to act like they won something.
What a beautiful time it will be. Peace, love and harmony! Just watch those Republicans sit up on the hind legs for the Democrats and beg for a bone.
The same thing they did last time.... nothing but bow and scrape ....just ask Mitch
hopefully, convict on an impeachment resolution
(but the House will need a Speaker with some cajones, first)
“... give Harry back the filibuster ...”
One of my proposals to the convention of states:
The seventeenth amendment is hereby repealed.
The Legislatures of each of the several states shall determine
the manner and method of selection of their United States Senators.
No bill, legislation, resolution, or any other business of any kind
shall be approved by the Senate without having obtained approval
of three-fifths of all of its members.
What would the RINOpublicans do??
1. NOT repeal Obamacare, but spend a decade trying to fix it.
2. Approve Obama’s Supreme Court picks.
3. Milk the lobbyists for as much cash as they can, while lining up future jobs and sweetheart investments.
4. Approve any liberal former Senator for any position Obama nominates him for.
5. NOT vote to impeach Obama.
6. Do everything demoncrats would do, but slower...
They will continue much the same. They will make rules to share power with the Democrats
Never happen without a super majority in the Senate. Perhaps most have forgotten the power of the veto pen per King Obama. It would be vetoed and goes back to Congress and any overthrow of the President must be by this super majority. Forget Obamacare repeal.
It takes fewer votes to simply replace Obamacare.
... If the Republicans win the Senate, says Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, the conclusion theyre going to draw is obstruction works [emphasis added], ...
I recently ranted in a recent thread concerning Sarah Palin and the Senate that Palin is overlooking the following concerning winning the Senate in 2014. If patriots and former Obama supporters can get their acts together for the 2014 elections and win 2/3 conservative majority control of both Houses of Congress, then Congress will be positioned to do the following.
In stark contrast to the tunnel-vision comment by Norman Ornstein concerning obstructionism, and the likewise uninspiring comments by Thomas Mann and Neera Tanden, if patriots were to aim their sights high enough, a conservative-controlled Congress coming out of the 2014 elections might just have the power, under the Constitution's Clause 2 of Section 7 of Article I, to override presidential vetoes. In other words, Congress would be able to repeal constitutionally indefensible
Obamacare Democratcare, for example, without Obama's signature. That's a far cry from obstructionism.
But since conservative leaders like Palin, Orstein, Mann and Tanden are evidently not as familiar with the Constitution as they should be, the blind are once again leading the blind and conservatives are going to lose two more years in their misguided effort to win the Constitution back.
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