Skip to comments.Showdown over Ukraine sparks Cold War-style propaganda battle
Posted on 05/03/2014 10:19:19 PM PDT by Mariner
WASHINGTON -- Fed up with the Russian governments false claims early in the Ukraine crisis, the State Department issued an unusual, point-by-point takedown along with a cheeky note that said not since 19th-century novelist Fyodor Dostoevsky had the world seen such startling Russian fiction.
The jab didnt seem to hurt in Moscow. A pro-Kremlin newspaper columnist mocked the Obama administrations excellent knowledge of Russian literature. And an undeterred President Vladimir Putin spent the next several weeks polishing his narrative of a strong Russia standing up to Western imperialism in order to protect a vulnerable ethnic Russian population from an illegitimate, Nazi-infiltrated new Ukrainian leadership.
In retaliation, the State Department fired off a second literary-themed fact sheet: Russian Fiction the Sequel: 10 More False Claims about Ukraine.
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How can I tell the difference between Russian Propaganda and the Mainstream American Media Propaganda?
Both hate the United States.
In times of world conflict you have to be able to believe your own government...at least that's how we were all raised in the USA>
Sadly, we can no longer believe a word they say.
But dangerous too. How would they ever mobilize the population if they ever had to?
I don’t understand...are Obammy and friends “trying” to be patriotic and tough?....like in a North Korea way?
I just posted this over on another thread. The deal is done, Ukraine except for Lviv is Putin’s.
Kosovo is Obama’s.
World chess. Putin wins.
Evening of May 8, the tanks will roll to Donetsk, Kiev, Kharkiv, and Odessa. Lviv will probably be spared.
May 9, Russia will control 90 % of Ukraine in a mostly bloodless coup.
May 9 is a holiday and represents Victory day from the Nazi oppression in Ww2.
The Orange Revolution will be stamped out person by person. The current government will be exiled or shot.
If you are in Ukraine, get out now, any way possible, or go to Lviv. Obama has sold you out. John Kerry sold you out.
Obama sold out Ukraine, probably to swap for some Muslim shi hole like Kosovo.
Here is the Washington post map of Russian troop movements, a pretty good recap.
Obama will be golfing on Mothers Day while Putin takes over Ukraine and exiles or shoots the NSA installed Ukraine government.
Seriously, if you are there, or know anyone there, its time to go.
And how is it that you know these events and dates?
May 9, Russia will control 90 % of Ukraine in a mostly bloodless coup.
What are you drinking? Must be good.
Ukraine is nation of 40+ million and the size of Texas. We saw yesterday what happens when Putin’s goons open fire on unarmed Ukrainian patriots. I am sure Putin noticed too. He won’t be invading all of Ukraine any time soon. He may take another bite but that’s it.
“How can I tell the difference between Russian Propaganda and the Mainstream American Media Propaganda?”
That is a HUGE part of the problem.
Obama has so much, so many times, about so many things, that he is completely unbelievable now.
And as another Freeper has already said, that is now a National Security Issue.
Whine about “Russian Propaganda”, and then quote Euromaidan PR as Gospel.
Fact is that Right-Sector haters turned a Football rally violent, and attacked the Anti-Maidan encampment. That started the ball rolling.
And the videos PROVE that there wasn’t any shooting until Right_Sector drove a stolen Fire Truck through the street barricade, injury many people.
After that, it was a free for all, until the Slaughter in the Customs House.
Forget the Propaganda BS, and LOOK AT THE VIDEOS. There are hundreds of them now online.
Your post is full of false statements. For example, there’s evidence of the pro-Russian attackers colluding with police before the events.
The whole pre-planned provocation scenario fits the literally dozens of other similar assaults and attacks carried out over the past few months by pro-Russians on Ukrainians. They did the same in Donetsk on Tuesday. Why are you ignoring that fact?
Who was shooting at the Ukrainians? Allegedly unlawful combatant foreign nationals. That is an act of war and a war crime if true.
You dismiss a Ukrainian source out of hand and routinely parrot Russian government propaganda. There’s only one foreign country with unlawful combatants in Ukraine. That would be Russia. And yet you quote their propaganda religiously on a conservative website.
So, all of those videos simply don’t exist? Very Orwellian of you!
Flip a coin?
Quote- ‘’that is now a National Security Issue’’
Well then should not we the people, who make up this
nation force our government and ourselves to help send
the terrorist home to putin...Raise hell rather than
act resignedly, making it seem part of us support Russia.
I sit here in Michigan, a 74 year old pissed off, poor
redneck, and so upset, Id go there and help them
out if it was possible.....
And our government has criminally destroyed our
military so it cant even save 4 people in an embassy.....
Ukraine is one of few special places worth saving from
being subjected to russian or any others slavery........
There are things that stick in a mans craw, that bother
worse than the thought of death...Ed
Pro-Ukrainian militant fires at the Custom house while others throw Molotovs at the building.
What videos? I’m not interested in dead body snuff videos if that is what you are talking about.
I guess it’s good to know that the real problem in Odessa was Ukrainians brought a fire truck to a gun fight. If only they hadn’t brought that fire truck and accepted their deserved beat down nobody would have died. Right?
Is that it? Do you have more?
Anything from the street assault? There were live streams from both sides and the only shooting was from the Russian/police side. Feel free to correct me.
Literally HUNDREDS you can choose from.
Is Youtube blocked in your country?
“Evening of May 8, the tanks will roll to Donetsk, Kiev, Kharkiv, and Odessa. Lviv will probably be spared.”
Kiev won’t be on the list, and Odessa is too far.
I doubt you will see any large-scale invasion of anything outside of the South-East. The “Risk vs. Return” is too high.
An Obama-Style Libyan “No Fly Zone”, however, would be far more effective, at far less cost.
Since you seem to like vidoes:
Here one from the street. Pro-Russian shooting AK at Ukrainians. I’m sure your aware there are many more pics/videos of similar activity by other pro-Russians.
There just isn’t any evidence of similar actions by Ukrainians in the street. All you’ve got is your fire truck best as I can see.
“There just isnt any evidence of similar actions by Ukrainians in the street.”
I just posted one 5 minutes ago.
No, that’s not from the street battle. You posted the fat guy from Trade Union building. Another Putinsta pinged me that early today. That and the disgusting snuff videos/pics is all I’ve seen from you guys.
Quote-””while others throw Molotovs at the building
BULL— From police report;The terrorists in the building
were throwing firebombs from the roof and accidently
started the fire. There is justice sometimes.
You remark about y-tube use in countries, what one do
you represent. The troll group out of kremlin,
the troll group out of St Pete or one of the other 18
putin pays a salary to...Ed
BTW, the journalist who took that pic of that unlawful combatant Russian national was kidnapped an hour later in Eastern Ukraine last week.
Ed, food for thought:
Would you want America to join a situation like this:
Note that under EU agreements, the European Commission has a lot of latitude to force things on member nations.
Imagine just giving up the national sovereignty of America, so Congress would forced to pass laws by a foreign body.
Not in favor of that although we have a government
that has went foreign on its duties and treatment of
our own country.
We should just help Ukraine get free of Russia
and trade and deal with EU and join if
they want.I know alot are afraid of austerity measures
by EU. But you know if EU sent the commie, pinko,
greens home to putin(or jailed them) open up enrgy production, Dropping prices like a rock the place would
boom and people could afford to live.Needs to
happen here in US also.
Ukraine has only a quarter the GDP per person than
Greece, but still is a better place. Why, they produce
stuff reasonable costs. Open energy, deflate costs,
the whole place booms, and the russian oligarchs
so broke they couldn’t raid a henhouse..Ed
Quote-I wonder if our resident Putinistas will dispute his nationality.. Yes he was in Crimea, Georgia,been around..
That bastard and about 1000 of his bunch need to be
practice for the 585 HE with 650 gr at 3000 fps.
250 page thread on our gun nut AR forums.political, with a poster with EU net contacts, showing all, all the crap
russians are doing, and all the nice things about
Ukraine and also its problems they are trying to solve.Ed
Also interesting is Maiden protesters have admitted this when they tried explaining that Yes, they were throwing cocktails into the Trade Center but then they said they helped the people after....Which of course we have videos of them making the burn victims crawl on the ground and kicking them.
BTW while the building was on fire there are photos of the Maidan thugs with their guns pulled and firing at the people attempting to escape as they hung out the windows.
This is not the Cold War, this is a Cold Brawl between Putin thugs and Obama’s feelings mafya.
Sadly, with Urkle in charge we will lose this war. Mr. Undecision.