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Showdown over Ukraine sparks Cold War-style propaganda battle
McClatchy DC News ^ | Saturday, May. 3, 2014 - 9:41 pm | By Hannah Allam

Posted on 05/03/2014 10:19:19 PM PDT by Mariner

WASHINGTON -- Fed up with the Russian government’s false claims early in the Ukraine crisis, the State Department issued an unusual, point-by-point takedown along with a cheeky note that said not since 19th-century novelist Fyodor Dostoevsky had the world seen such “startling Russian fiction.”

The jab didn’t seem to hurt in Moscow. A pro-Kremlin newspaper columnist mocked the Obama administration’s “excellent knowledge of Russian literature.” And an undeterred President Vladimir Putin spent the next several weeks polishing his narrative of a strong Russia standing up to Western imperialism in order to protect a vulnerable ethnic Russian population from an illegitimate, Nazi-infiltrated new Ukrainian leadership.

In retaliation, the State Department fired off a second literary-themed fact sheet: “Russian Fiction the Sequel: 10 More False Claims about Ukraine.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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Who to believe? Jay Carney and the White House or the Russian Information Ministry?
1 posted on 05/03/2014 10:19:19 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

How can I tell the difference between Russian Propaganda and the Mainstream American Media Propaganda?

Both hate the United States.


2 posted on 05/03/2014 10:24:19 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce
I contend that the total lack of credibility of the current administration is now a National Security issue.

In times of world conflict you have to be able to believe your own government...at least that's how we were all raised in the USA>

Sadly, we can no longer believe a word they say.

But dangerous too. How would they ever mobilize the population if they ever had to?

3 posted on 05/03/2014 10:28:34 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I don’t understand...are Obammy and friends “trying” to be patriotic and tough?....like in a North Korea way?


4 posted on 05/03/2014 10:28:35 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: Mariner

I just posted this over on another thread. The deal is done, Ukraine except for Lviv is Putin’s.

Kosovo is Obama’s.

World chess. Putin wins.

Evening of May 8, the tanks will roll to Donetsk, Kiev, Kharkiv, and Odessa. Lviv will probably be spared.

May 9, Russia will control 90 % of Ukraine in a mostly bloodless coup.

May 9 is a holiday and represents Victory day from the Nazi oppression in Ww2.

http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/ukraine/victory-day

The Orange Revolution will be stamped out person by person. The current government will be exiled or shot.

If you are in Ukraine, get out now, any way possible, or go to Lviv. Obama has sold you out. John Kerry sold you out.

Obama sold out Ukraine, probably to swap for some Muslim shi hole like Kosovo.

Here is the Washington post map of Russian troop movements, a pretty good recap.

Obama will be golfing on Mothers Day while Putin takes over Ukraine and exiles or shoots the NSA installed Ukraine government.

Seriously, if you are there, or know anyone there, it’s time to go.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/russias-buildup-on-the-ukraine-border/996/


5 posted on 05/03/2014 10:29:28 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Mariner

6 posted on 05/03/2014 10:34:34 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: FlyingEagle

And how is it that you know these events and dates?


7 posted on 05/03/2014 10:35:28 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: FlyingEagle

May 9, Russia will control 90 % of Ukraine in a mostly bloodless coup.


What are you drinking? Must be good.

Ukraine is nation of 40+ million and the size of Texas. We saw yesterday what happens when Putin’s goons open fire on unarmed Ukrainian patriots. I am sure Putin noticed too. He won’t be invading all of Ukraine any time soon. He may take another bite but that’s it.


8 posted on 05/03/2014 10:37:46 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Tzimisce

“How can I tell the difference between Russian Propaganda and the Mainstream American Media Propaganda?”

That is a HUGE part of the problem.
Obama has so much, so many times, about so many things, that he is completely unbelievable now.
And as another Freeper has already said, that is now a National Security Issue.


9 posted on 05/03/2014 10:38:51 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: lodi90

Whine about “Russian Propaganda”, and then quote Euromaidan PR as Gospel.

Fact is that Right-Sector haters turned a Football rally violent, and attacked the Anti-Maidan encampment. That started the ball rolling.

And the videos PROVE that there wasn’t any shooting until Right_Sector drove a stolen Fire Truck through the street barricade, injury many people.

After that, it was a free for all, until the Slaughter in the Customs House.

Forget the Propaganda BS, and LOOK AT THE VIDEOS. There are hundreds of them now online.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 10:43:21 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Your post is full of false statements. For example, there’s evidence of the pro-Russian attackers colluding with police before the events.

The whole pre-planned provocation scenario fits the literally dozens of other similar assaults and attacks carried out over the past few months by pro-Russians on Ukrainians. They did the same in Donetsk on Tuesday. Why are you ignoring that fact?

Who was shooting at the Ukrainians? Allegedly unlawful combatant foreign nationals. That is an act of war and a war crime if true.

You dismiss a Ukrainian source out of hand and routinely parrot Russian government propaganda. There’s only one foreign country with unlawful combatants in Ukraine. That would be Russia. And yet you quote their propaganda religiously on a conservative website.


11 posted on 05/03/2014 10:55:18 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

So, all of those videos simply don’t exist? Very Orwellian of you!


12 posted on 05/03/2014 10:56:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Mariner

Flip a coin?


13 posted on 05/03/2014 10:58:08 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: tcrlaf

Quote- ‘’that is now a National Security Issue’’

Well then should not we the people, who make up this
nation force our government and ourselves to help send
the terrorist home to putin...Raise hell rather than
act resignedly, making it seem part of us support Russia.

I sit here in Michigan, a 74 year old pissed off, poor
redneck, and so upset, I’d go there and help them
out if it was possible.....

And our government has criminally destroyed our
military so it can’t even save 4 people in an embassy.....

Ukraine is one of few special places worth saving from
being subjected to russian or any other’s slavery........

There are things that stick in a man’s craw, that bother
worse than the thought of death...Ed


14 posted on 05/03/2014 10:59:27 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: lodi90

Pro-Ukrainian militant fires at the Custom house while others throw Molotovs at the building.
http://youtu.be/TMNC6MzgBog


15 posted on 05/03/2014 10:59:29 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

What videos? I’m not interested in dead body snuff videos if that is what you are talking about.

I guess it’s good to know that the real problem in Odessa was Ukrainians brought a fire truck to a gun fight. If only they hadn’t brought that fire truck and accepted their deserved beat down nobody would have died. Right?


16 posted on 05/03/2014 11:00:21 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf

Is that it? Do you have more?

Anything from the street assault? There were live streams from both sides and the only shooting was from the Russian/police side. Feel free to correct me.


17 posted on 05/03/2014 11:04:28 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

www.youtube.com
Literally HUNDREDS you can choose from.

Is Youtube blocked in your country?


18 posted on 05/03/2014 11:07:25 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: FlyingEagle

“Evening of May 8, the tanks will roll to Donetsk, Kiev, Kharkiv, and Odessa. Lviv will probably be spared.”

Kiev won’t be on the list, and Odessa is too far.

I doubt you will see any large-scale invasion of anything outside of the South-East. The “Risk vs. Return” is too high.

An Obama-Style Libyan “No Fly Zone”, however, would be far more effective, at far less cost.


19 posted on 05/03/2014 11:11:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Since you seem to like vidoes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1g1de—iew&app=desktop

Here one from the street. Pro-Russian shooting AK at Ukrainians. I’m sure your aware there are many more pics/videos of similar activity by other pro-Russians.

There just isn’t any evidence of similar actions by Ukrainians in the street. All you’ve got is your fire truck best as I can see.


20 posted on 05/03/2014 11:11:06 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

“There just isn’t any evidence of similar actions by Ukrainians in the street.”

LOL...
I just posted one 5 minutes ago.


21 posted on 05/03/2014 11:12:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Quote""drove a stolen Fire Truck through the street barricade"' Why was that, It was because the foreign, illegal, enemy combantants put up illegal blockade, and don't parrot the crap that they Ukranian protesters. As all the IDs found on the dead in the fire were foreign.Picture... Somebody comes to my road from foreign entity with bullshit blockade, will run them over with a truck...ED
22 posted on 05/03/2014 11:13:24 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: tcrlaf

No, that’s not from the street battle. You posted the fat guy from Trade Union building. Another Putinsta pinged me that early today. That and the disgusting snuff videos/pics is all I’ve seen from you guys.


23 posted on 05/03/2014 11:17:08 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

http://www.policymic.com/articles/84677/to-understand-what-s-really-happening-in-ukraine-follow-the-gas-lines-on-this-map


24 posted on 05/03/2014 11:19:17 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: tcrlaf

Quote-””while others throw Molotovs at the building

BULL— From police report;The terrorists in the building
were throwing firebombs from the roof and accidently
started the fire. There is justice sometimes.

You remark about y-tube use in countries, what one do
you represent. The troll group out of kremlin,
the troll group out of St Pete or one of the other 18
putin pays a salary to...Ed


25 posted on 05/03/2014 11:21:48 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: hubel458
FRiend, you forgot one Russian passport. I wonder if our resident Putinistas will dispute his nationality?

some_text

26 posted on 05/03/2014 11:23:35 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: hubel458

BTW, the journalist who took that pic of that unlawful combatant Russian national was kidnapped an hour later in Eastern Ukraine last week.


27 posted on 05/03/2014 11:25:04 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: hubel458

Ed, food for thought:

Would you want America to join a situation like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_long-term_solutions_for_the_European_sovereign-debt_crisis

Note that under EU agreements, the European Commission has a lot of latitude to force things on member nations.

Imagine just giving up the national sovereignty of America, so Congress would forced to pass laws by a foreign body.


28 posted on 05/03/2014 11:25:45 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Not in favor of that although we have a government
that has went foreign on its duties and treatment of
our own country.

We should just help Ukraine get free of Russia
and trade and deal with EU and join if
they want.I know alot are afraid of austerity measures
by EU. But you know if EU sent the commie, pinko,
greens home to putin(or jailed them) open up enrgy production, Dropping prices like a rock the place would
boom and people could afford to live.Needs to
happen here in US also.

Ukraine has only a quarter the GDP per person than
Greece, but still is a better place. Why, they produce
stuff reasonable costs. Open energy, deflate costs,
the whole place booms, and the russian oligarchs
so broke they couldn’t raid a henhouse..Ed


29 posted on 05/03/2014 11:45:30 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: Mariner

!


30 posted on 05/03/2014 11:45:39 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? :-)
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To: lodi90

Quote-I wonder if our resident Putinistas will dispute his nationality.. Yes he was in Crimea, Georgia,been around..

That bastard and about 1000 of his bunch need to be
practice for the 585 HE with 650 gr at 3000 fps.

250 page thread on our gun nut AR forums.political, with a poster with EU net contacts, showing all, all the crap
russians are doing, and all the nice things about
Ukraine and also its problems they are trying to solve.Ed


31 posted on 05/03/2014 11:56:17 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: tcrlaf
Odessa Fire:... Watch how it happens as Madian thugs come rushing into the tent area and setting fire...taken from a highrise building...... Shows Anti-Kiev people trying to defend the Trade Building Entrance...Maindan then throwing Cocktails into the building.

Also interesting is Maiden protesters have admitted this when they tried explaining that Yes, they were throwing cocktails into the Trade Center but then they said they helped the people after....Which of course we have videos of them making the burn victims crawl on the ground and kicking them.

BTW while the building was on fire there are photos of the Maidan thugs with their guns pulled and firing at the people attempting to escape as they hung out the windows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw&feature=youtu.be

32 posted on 05/04/2014 12:12:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw&feature=youtu.be


33 posted on 05/04/2014 12:13:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: Mariner

This is not the Cold War, this is a Cold Brawl between Putin thugs and Obama’s feelings mafya.


34 posted on 05/04/2014 2:08:16 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Mariner

Sadly, with Urkle in charge we will lose this war. Mr. Undecision.


35 posted on 05/04/2014 5:05:38 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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