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Charge: Alaska man, 19, shot troopers from behind
Anchorage Daily News ^ | May 4, 2014 | RACHEL D'ORO

Posted on 05/04/2014 11:58:35 AM PDT by skeptoid

As two state troopers struggled to arrest his father, a 19-year-old man armed himself with an assault rifle and shot them seven times, killing them outside his home in a remote Alaska village, authorities said in charges filed Saturday.

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To: skeptoid

The semiautomatic in previous ADN coverage has become an assault rifle today.


2 posted on 05/04/2014 12:01:39 PM PDT by skeptoid (the thought plickens)
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To: skeptoid

Condolences to the families and friends of the Troopers...justice for the perp and may it be swift...


3 posted on 05/04/2014 12:02:03 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: skeptoid
The Inuits and firewater do not mix.
4 posted on 05/04/2014 12:03:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: skeptoid

How many of us or our relatives will be forced into that kind of scenario when the regime starts kicking doors in?


5 posted on 05/04/2014 12:03:58 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: skeptoid

Alaska does not have the death penalty but this murdering piece of trash will never get out of prison.


6 posted on 05/04/2014 12:04:25 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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To: skeptoid

I hate back shooters. Lower than whale ****.


7 posted on 05/04/2014 12:08:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: dainbramaged

Witnessing two police officers gang up on his father, probably physically aggressive, struggling with him, I can understand the urge to get involved and stop them.

That said, shooting them was stupid and he’ll likely be in jail for a very long time, if not the rest of his life.


8 posted on 05/04/2014 12:10:20 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: skeptoid

I DO NOT like this. I hate the PIGS as much as anyone on this site, but we do have a JUSTICE SYSTEM and you simply don’t kill them in cold blood. Those troopers likely had kids, and almost certainly had close family.

If we want to retain OUR RIGHT to own firearms, we still have to defer to authorities, at least until we get to fight them in court.


9 posted on 05/04/2014 12:12:36 PM PDT by BobL
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To: skeptoid

All this for driving without a license?


10 posted on 05/04/2014 12:21:50 PM PDT by mylife
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To: skeptoid
Terrible situation all around. They were going to arrest the father for driving without a license...With so many illegals driving around the country without licenses, going to arrest one guy in some tiny tribal outpost in the Alaskan wilderness seems beyond ridiculous.

And imagine what an incredibly cold heart you'd have to have to mow down two men from behind. From the picture, the shooter is clearly an Indian, and knowing how well Indians deal with liquor (not well), I have to wonder if there was some firewater involved in his decision to open fire.

11 posted on 05/04/2014 12:23:00 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: skeptoid
unnamed rifle, so it wasn't an AK or AR... hummm
12 posted on 05/04/2014 12:26:55 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: BobL

“I hate the PIGS as much as anyone on this site..”

PIGS? FReepers hate the PIGS?

Count me out on your view of FReepers “on this site” hating police officers.


13 posted on 05/04/2014 12:29:07 PM PDT by panaxanax
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To: skeptoid

Yes, but was it black?


14 posted on 05/04/2014 12:30:21 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: JimRed
How many of us or our relatives will be forced into that kind of scenario when the regime starts kicking doors in?

So you're saying the kid was justified in shooting them?

15 posted on 05/04/2014 12:31:24 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: BobL
If we want to retain OUR RIGHT to own firearms, we still have to defer to authorities....

Sorry, I have to call 'foul' on this one. If it is truly a 'right', why defer to anybody? The boys in Concord certainly did not 'defer to authorities', and they had every right not to do so.

Responsibility is accepting the result of one's actions. John Hancock boldly wrote his signature large so the King would know it was him and no other.

16 posted on 05/04/2014 12:31:26 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: PaulCruz2016
Witnessing two police officers gang up on his father, probably physically aggressive, struggling with him, I can understand the urge to get involved and stop them.

So that justifies the shooting of two police officers? Then under what circumstances should police be allowed to arrest someone or outnumber them?

17 posted on 05/04/2014 12:34:06 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: panaxanax

“Count me out on your view of FReepers “on this site” hating police officers.”

I didn’t say police officers, I said PIGS, which stand for “Police In Gang Situations”.

Anyway, my point is that if we have a problem with police, we DO NOT have the right to take “justice” as we may see it in our own hands, but rather need to trust our legal system. Even police have the RIGHT to come home to their families after their shift. That should be OBVIOUS.


18 posted on 05/04/2014 12:35:17 PM PDT by BobL
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To: mylife

All this for brandishing a gun. The DWLS charge is just to hold on to him. The troopers were out there to investigate a report of the father brandishing a gun.


19 posted on 05/04/2014 12:37:41 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: JimRed

Do your relatives get boozed up and threaten the neighbors with a gun?


20 posted on 05/04/2014 12:38:27 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: rabidralph

Racist!


21 posted on 05/04/2014 12:42:10 PM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ $0.05 cents a can.)
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To: DoodleDawg
So you're saying the kid was justified in shooting them?

So, you're taking the official version at face value?

We don't know what happened out there.

22 posted on 05/04/2014 12:43:07 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: BobL

not a big fan of a lot of cops...some can be the tools of tyranny.

I don’t think most fit into that category and they do serve a necessary role in any society. Most, I believe, take the, ‘To
Serve and Protect’ motto to heart and like people in all walks of life there are good and bad.

someone else posted that they recoil from your calling them pigs, as do I.

there are cops that are pigs as there are dirt bag criminals, who fit that category.

you are correct in saying we must retain our constitutional rights.


23 posted on 05/04/2014 12:43:13 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Actually I was just trying to relate to people out there that think cops are no different than a NAZI occupation force. I’ve had MANY encounters with them, and they all ended well. They seem to only get nasty if you start talking back to them for no reason.


24 posted on 05/04/2014 12:45:41 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL
"PIGS, which stand for 'Police In Gang Situations'."

Not an acronym I would use.

On the other hand, given the situation, I don't see premeditation here.

25 posted on 05/04/2014 12:49:09 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: USNBandit
All this for brandishing a gun. The DWLS charge is just to hold on to him. The troopers were out there to investigate a report of the father brandishing a gun.

.....reported by the local Village Public Safety Officer at whom gun was brandished!

26 posted on 05/04/2014 12:50:25 PM PDT by skeptoid (the thought plickens)
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To: DoodleDawg
So you're saying the kid was justified in shooting them?

Not in this case, though it may have appeared to him that his father was in mortal danger; I wasn't there. But the time is approaching when we may be forced to decide to die on our feet or live on our knees.

I pray that we are never forced to that point, but the answer to that prayer may well be "no".

27 posted on 05/04/2014 12:51:59 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Probably not here. But I don’t care if it’s pre-meditated, this guy deserves TO FRY if convicted, even though he lucked out, having the DEMOCRATS clear out the Death Penalty for him.


28 posted on 05/04/2014 12:52:11 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Forgotten Amendments
So, you're taking the official version at face value?

Yes. Now your turn. You're saying that the kid was justified in shooting them?

29 posted on 05/04/2014 12:55:41 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: BobL

my dad was NYPD from 1946 to 1968. I knew LOTS of cops personally including an uncle. Some were good honest cops...some were not.

I have never had any unpleasant encounters with cops who have pulled me over. I don’t get nasty, and neither do they...I suppose if I had encountered a nasty one I might have a negative reaction.


30 posted on 05/04/2014 12:57:31 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: USNBandit
Do your relatives get boozed up and threaten the neighbors with a gun?

Well, I've been told I have distant cousins in Ireland, maybe < /sarc >... And I've known of individuals making unfounded charges against folks they just didn't like (SWATTING, I think they call it). As someone else said, can we believe the official story?

31 posted on 05/04/2014 12:57:49 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: BobL
Even police have the RIGHT to come home to their families after their shift. That should be OBVIOUS.

Agreed, that is, UNTIL the visits are to confiscate our arms or arrest us for what we say or think. Then all bets are off.

32 posted on 05/04/2014 1:00:55 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Vaquero

“I have never had any unpleasant encounters with cops who have pulled me over. I don’t get nasty, and neither do they...I suppose if I had encountered a nasty one I might have a negative reaction.”

Agree - you will get to fight these people in court. When they pull you over, you need to appreciate that they are likely more scared than you are (and with good cause). Be polite, state your case, and then, if necessary, fight it in the courts.


33 posted on 05/04/2014 1:01:22 PM PDT by BobL
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To: skeptoid

The Village Public Safety Officer Program began in the late 1970’s as a means of providing rural Alaskan communities with needed public safety services at the local level.

So they are basically government agents in each town, to insure the locals don’t misbehave. Indian agents.

In 1793 the Second Trade and Intercourse Act authorized the President of the United States to “appoint such persons, from time to time, as temporary agents to reside among the Indians,” and guide them into forced acculturation of white American society by changing their agricultural practices and domestic activities.

Though this latter part is no longer officially included in what they do.

So, in this case, the village PSO decided to hassle the old man about not having a license in rural Alaska, and the old man told him to go to hell, at rifle point. So he calls in the police.


34 posted on 05/04/2014 1:03:44 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: JimRed

“Agreed, that is, UNTIL the visits are to confiscate our arms or arrest us for what we say or think. Then all bets are off.”

I didn’t go there. You have a point. If they get your arms, it will be PURE HELL to get them back. You may win in the end, but it won’t be pretty. As to what we think, agree there too, although most FReepers STILL send their kids to public schools, where they can get blacklisted, suspended, or expelled, for stating what they think. So there is some hypocrisy there.


35 posted on 05/04/2014 1:04:31 PM PDT by BobL
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To: skeptoid
Rules of war? Do you let the person who has a gun who would kill you in war turn around and bring his weapon to bear, or do you just shoot him?

If you decide to shoot it out with the police, then you have declared war on them. Are you going to let them face you and bring their weapons to effective use? The certainly don't let YOU bring your weapon to bear on them. If you even begin to point a gun at the police, they kill you.

This is not a question of shooting them in the back at all. If he decides to war with the police, he's going to shoot to kill and show no mercy. He came out alive, they didn't. That is the goal of war. Patton: "It's not about dying for your country (or cause), it's about making the other poor bastard dies for his."

The real question here is one of values. Why was the father deliberately breaking the law? Why did the father point a gun at an enforcement officer at all? Why would the son even THINK of grabbing a weapon and shoot law enforcement officers? If he believed (belief system) it was okay to do so, the only goal is to make sure they are dead and he is alive - which he did.

Other questions: Why didn't the LEOs know whether the other individual was even present before trying to subdue the father? Do others in the community believe it is okay to shoot LEOs? Why are two policemen traveling 135 miles to arrest a man for driving in the God-forsaken wilderness without a license? If he doesn't run over anyone or anything out there where no one but his own people live, who cares? What is this about this community posting things publicly about removing whites from the land? If so, they are enemy combatants. I can think about about 10 more valid questions, but...that's enough. A lot more is there to this story than what is being told.

He should be tried, and if convicted, hanged publicly. Anything else is enabling more of the same.

36 posted on 05/04/2014 1:06:31 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

In California they let illegal mexicans drive without licenses. but if they are DUI`s then they take the car away and the can ride a bike.

True story.
I was eyewitness to ICE/local raids and they picked up all the citizens but let the illegals drive home. YUPO -

It`s a NAZI regime there to get illegals to vote n they need their cars to drive to the non-ID voting place to vote for o bummer. yup


37 posted on 05/04/2014 1:14:02 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: DoodleDawg
So that justifies the shooting of two police officers?

Of course not. Difference is, he's going to jail for a very long time, maybe the rest of his life.

Meanwhile, police can kill with impunity. Cops can shooting someone in the back and get two years in jail, or kill someone begging for his life and get off scot-free. Those are the worse examples too, as most of the time it's just an internal investigation, a paid vacation, and then nothing.

What do you think justifies a cop killing a civilian?

38 posted on 05/04/2014 1:31:25 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: DoodleDawg
Yes. Now your turn. You're saying that the kid was justified in shooting them?

I don't know. And neither do you.

39 posted on 05/04/2014 1:31:32 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: DoodleDawg

I’m pretty sure if the two cops shot this guy in the back, they could say he took an “aggressive stance” and that they “felt threatened”, and walk away free.

That’s the key difference: why do cops get away with what regular people do not?


40 posted on 05/04/2014 1:33:37 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: panaxanax

I have little respect for police and other LEO who abuse their power (family pet shooters, for example), but many have a thankless job that is randomly very dangerous, and are doing what they can to hold back the evil that seems omnipresent these days. Count me out as well.


41 posted on 05/04/2014 1:34:59 PM PDT by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
"So, in this case, the village PSO decided to hassle the old man .....".

Haglin had received reports that the elder Kangas was driving around the village, even though he doesn't have a valid driver's license. After Haglin approached Arvin Kangas at his home, the elder Kangas pointed to a rifle and suggested he would use it if Haglin did not leave, according to the charging document.

Haglin then contacted state troopers, who obtained an arrest warrant and accompanied him to Arvin Kangas' home a day after the confrontation.

VPSO Haglin cut the guy a lot of slack - told him to go home and not drive anymore (Arvin Kangas was reportedly drunk), so Kangas gets in a station wagon and starts driving recklessly and then points a firearm at the VPSO
Time to call the Troopers, no?

Indian Agent?!?

Pure, pure horse manure.

42 posted on 05/04/2014 1:46:27 PM PDT by skeptoid (the thought plickens)
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To: BobL

“I hate the PIGS as much as anyone on this site” Screw you Jake. I father and brother were Policemen ,not Pigs.


43 posted on 05/04/2014 1:58:30 PM PDT by heights
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To: skeptoid

Now Alaskans know why most other states have the death penalty.


44 posted on 05/04/2014 2:02:43 PM PDT by armydawg505
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To: BobL

Not law enforcement here but you sound like the disgusting pig.


45 posted on 05/04/2014 2:03:59 PM PDT by armydawg505
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To: BobL

Trying to justify your disgusting remarks about “pigs” won’t help you at all. It’s tantamount to this kid saying, “I’m sorry.”


46 posted on 05/04/2014 2:05:47 PM PDT by armydawg505
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To: Wicket; heights; BobL

I didn’t buy that “Police In Gang Situations” excuse either.

We know what you really meant, BobL.


47 posted on 05/04/2014 2:07:14 PM PDT by panaxanax
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To: BobL
They seem to only get nasty if you start talking back to them for no reason.

Or if you have the audacity to assert your Constitutional rights. "No, officer, I will not recite the alphabet backwards. I will also not answer any of your questions. Am I free to go now or are you placing me under arrest?" will usually result in a pissed-off cop.

48 posted on 05/04/2014 2:07:58 PM PDT by KevinB ("If it weren't for double standards Democrats would have no standards at all" - Chris Plante)
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To: All

What is this cop hating crap I see on FR lately? I’ve been here a long time, and it never used to be like this. What in the friggin world hapened?

I did 22 years of Law Enforcement, and I know a lot of good guys who are still serving. I do agree that there are some recent additions to law enforcement that should have never got past the hiring process, but thats a small few of them. Unfortunately, they do seem to do a lot of mischief, and make a few headlines.

In this case, two Alaska Troopers were shot IN THE BACK while they tried to serve a lawful warrant for the arrest of a suspect, and had to use force to get him into custody.

I would be the first to point out the problems if this was an unlawful arrest, or an excessive use of force, but it isnt here...sorry, but these cops did what they were supposed to do, and they were murdered.

Dont blame the cops for the bullshit laws that they are forced to enforce these days. Blame the legislators who pass this crap.


49 posted on 05/04/2014 2:13:50 PM PDT by judicial meanz ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here" -- Captain John Pa)
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To: panaxanax

LOL.


50 posted on 05/04/2014 2:20:28 PM PDT by BobL
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