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Germany calls for second Geneva meeting on Ukraine
wdaz.com ^ | May 04, 2014 | Reuters Media, WDAY

Posted on 05/04/2014 12:05:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

BERLIN - German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier on Sunday called for a second international conference to put an end to the crisis in Ukraine.

He said he made the proposal in telephone conversations on Sunday with EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, U.S. Secretary of StateJohn Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

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1 posted on 05/04/2014 12:05:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

WHY??
Ukraine announced almost immediately after the last one that they had no intention of following it.


2 posted on 05/04/2014 12:54:07 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Indeed, it is pointelss to try and negotiate with Russian liars. Better just to kill them all.


3 posted on 05/04/2014 12:58:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: tcrlaf

Because the Germans are afraid of economic blowback from the coup. The US and EU set this in motion, and now Merkel sees that trying to force Ukraine into the EU was a major mistake. Polls in Germany show the same thing.


4 posted on 05/04/2014 12:58:26 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Maybe Germany and Russia have a plan to divide up Ukraine.


5 posted on 05/04/2014 1:11:05 PM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Indeed, it is pointelss to try and negotiate with Russian liars. Better just to kill them all.

You got that right. Russia can be beat and needs to be. Communists hard core leadership never works indefinitely.

6 posted on 05/04/2014 1:36:25 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: achilles2000

Nobody is trying to force Ukraine into the EU. Ukrainians want to join the EU but the EU will not let them. The conflict between Russia and Ukraine has happened because Ukrainians do not want to be Russia’s slaves.


7 posted on 05/04/2014 1:40:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Berlin_Freeper

John McCain, a former Republican candidate for the White House, on Thursday accused Merkel of standing in the way of firmer measures against Russia over its actions in Ukraine due to Berlin’s lucrative business ties with Moscow.

“I would tell her that I am not surprised but embarrassed at their failure of leadership. They’re the leaders, they’re being governed by the industrial complex from Germany,” McCain said.

Republican Senator Jeff Sessions echoed the rebuke, saying there needed to be “a clearer, more focused, more unified position, and Germany is right there in the middle of it.”

The remarks sparked outrage in Berlin, with top-selling newspaper Bild saying McCain had “attacked” Merkel with “crass” comments.

http://www.thelocal.de/20140502/germany-fumes-over-mccains-merkel-attack


8 posted on 05/04/2014 2:11:51 PM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You are very incompletely informed. Did you even read about this region before the Russians moved into Crimea? Moreover, Talking as if “Ukrainians” have uniform views is ridiculous.


9 posted on 05/04/2014 2:36:40 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Some facts about Russia's interesting military allies.

Collective Security Treaty Organization
Wikipedia

Member states[edit]

Current members
Armenia (2002)
Belarus (2002)
Kazakhstan (2002)
Kyrgyzstan (2002)
Russia (2002)
Tajikistan (2002)

Observers
Afghanistan (2013)
Serbia (2013)

Possible candidates
Iran

Former members
Azerbaijan (joined 1994, withdrew 1999)
Georgia (joined 1994, withdrew 1999)
Uzbekistan (joined 1994, withdrew 2012)

Russia has military friends in its Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO: members listed below).

All of the following excerpts are from the CIA World Factbook (as accessed on 4MAY14).

Russia
Religions:
Russian Orthodox 15-20%, Muslim 10-15%, other Christian 2% (2006 est.) note: estimates are of practicing worshipers; Russia has large populations of non-practicing believers and non-believers, a legacy of over seven decades of Soviet rule

Kazakhstan
Religions:
Muslim 70.2%, Christian 26.2% (Russian Orthodox 23.9%, other Christian 2.3%), Buddhist 0.1%, other 0.2%, atheist 2.8%, unspecified 0.5% (2009 Census)

Kyrgyzstan
Religions:
Muslim 75%, Russian Orthodox 20%, other 5%

Tajikistan
Religions:
Sunni Muslim 85%, Shia Muslim 5%, other 10% (2003 est.)


Belarus
Government restrictions on freedom of speech and the press, peaceful assembly, and religion remain in place.
Religions:
Eastern Orthodox 80%, other (including Roman Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim) 20% (1997 est.)

Armenia
Religions:
Armenian Apostolic 92.6%, Evangelical 1%, other 2.4%, none 1.1%, unspecified 2.9% (2011 est.)


10 posted on 05/04/2014 3:14:32 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: achilles2000

You said Germany tried to force Ukraine into the EU. That is 100% false. It’s 180 degrees opposite of the truth. The majority of Ukrainians want to be part of the EU, but the EU will not offer them membership.


11 posted on 05/04/2014 4:00:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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No quick offer of EU entry to Ukraine despiteregime change - February 24, 2014 - While saying it "hears" Ukraine's dream of joining the EU, the Western bloc failed Monday to hold out the prospect of entry in spite ofregime change that began with pro-EU protests.

12 posted on 05/04/2014 4:07:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Chad_the_Impaler
Maybe Germany and Russia have a plan to divide up Ukraine

Actually, they do.

And I believe that's how this will end - a reversal of Stalin's "mistakes" with Lemberg/Lwow back to Poland, Konigsberg back to Germany, and Kiev + points East back to Russia.

The only question is will Brest, Grodno, and Vilnius/Wilno be thrown into the deal, along with Stettin, Danzig, and Breslau.

I wish we were reading the correspondence between the Wilhelmstrasse (or wherever the German FM hangs out these days) and Moscow.

13 posted on 05/04/2014 4:10:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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Ukrainians do not want to be Russia’s slaves.

The strong do what they can, the weak do what they must.

14 posted on 05/04/2014 4:12:00 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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Please note that it says “quick offer”. But, beyond that, the original issue was a trade deal tying Ukraine closer to the EU that would have eventually put Ukraine on a glide path to the EU. Russia didn’t want that and offered a much richer deal to the Ukraine, which Yanukovich decided to support. That is when a few thousand people were mobilized for demonstrations in Maidan. It was mostly Astroturf, but it played well to the cameras.


15 posted on 05/04/2014 4:56:03 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I didn’t say Germany tried to force the Ukraine into the EU. The EU and Obama sought to take Ukraine out of the Russian sphere of influence and move it into the EU/NATO sphere of influence by using a trade deal, which held out the prospect of future EU membership. The Russians offered a much better economic deal that was going to be accepted, and then the EU/Obama set in motion events that led to a coup. The specific “cause” of the Astroturfers in Maidan was specifically that they wanted the EU deal, not the Russian deal. There is no doubt that many Ukrainians want to be part of the EU, but many do not. It all breaks down along ethnic and linguistic lines in the Ukraine. What makes you think that the EU socialist kleptocracy is better than the Russian semi-socialist kleptocracy? Obama is destroying our country, and you are distracted by a dispute that you don’t understand and that even the Germans recognize is not a life and death matter for them.

Wagging the dog seems to work. It worked, after all, for Clinton.


16 posted on 05/04/2014 5:08:07 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

Putin tried to buy Ukraine but the Ukrainian people do not want to sell their country for any price, so they rose up an overthrew Yanukovich, who ran away to Russia. The Ukrainians want to be in NATO and the EU precisely because they do not wish to be part of Russia’s “sphere.” I support them and anyone else who wishes to be free from Russia’s neo-Soviet imperialist domination.


17 posted on 05/04/2014 6:02:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It could be that Obama is planning to tell Ukraine to give up the South and East and submit to a Russian puppet in the elections to make the problem go away. The Germans and EU would also benefit because the EU/IMF/World Bank would no longer have to make those loans to a state that would not pay them back.


18 posted on 05/04/2014 6:02:25 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: McGruff

McCain, you better also yell at Obama. He didn’t want to put sanctions on Russia at all (well except the anti-gay ones).


19 posted on 05/04/2014 6:03:22 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: achilles2000

One of the ways Obama is destroying our country is by weakening our leadership role in the world and inviting Russian aggression with his weakness and cowardice. You apparently approve of how Obama has diminished US stature in the world and think we should have a policy of acquiescence and appeasement in the face of Russia’s lawless brutality.


20 posted on 05/04/2014 6:08:16 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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