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‘Hundreds’ of child sailors raped, abused
The Australian ^ | 5th May 2014 | Brendan Nicholson

Posted on 05/04/2014 2:33:36 PM PDT by naturalman1975

ALLEGATIONS that 220 child sailors at the navy’s West Australian training base were raped or brutalised, and that more than 70 young officer cadets at the Australian Defence Force Academy in Canberra suffered sexual or other abuse, are so serious they will be tabled in federal ­parliament.

So far, almost 500 former and serving Defence Force members have received reparation payments of up to $50,000 for damage caused by the abuse they suffered — a cost to Defence of more than $21 million.

As well, 45 cases have been ­referred to state and territory police forces for possible prosecution. They feature allegations of rape and other assaults on females and males; serious threats; stalking and intimidation with intent to cause fear; and burglary with intent to carry out an ­assault.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childrape; homosexualagenda; navy; sexabuse; sexualassault
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1 posted on 05/04/2014 2:33:37 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

Uh oh...


2 posted on 05/04/2014 2:36:32 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: naturalman1975

What is a “child sailor”?


3 posted on 05/04/2014 2:37:27 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: naturalman1975

“Child sailors”? Whose bright idea was that?


4 posted on 05/04/2014 2:38:14 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Navy Patriot
I don't know but soon I will be a cabin man.
5 posted on 05/04/2014 2:38:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Link requires a sub, which I didn’t want to do, so can’t answer your question.


6 posted on 05/04/2014 2:38:59 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Navy Patriot

Like the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts there are what’s called Sea Scouts.


7 posted on 05/04/2014 2:39:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Navy Patriot

A sailor under the age of 18.

I joined the Royal Australian Navy just before my 16th birthday. Boys were taken on for officer training at that age until 1980, while boys of 15 were still being brought in as recruits for enlisted ranks until 1986.

Going back to the 1950s, officers began their training at 13.


8 posted on 05/04/2014 2:40:01 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Would it help if they took a more lenient view of sexual deviancy? [/s]


9 posted on 05/04/2014 2:40:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: naturalman1975

If only they let them marry...


10 posted on 05/04/2014 2:40:33 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: 9YearLurker

Back when I was a kid they had “sea scouts” in NE Ohio - Lake Erie area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Scout


11 posted on 05/04/2014 2:40:34 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: SkyDancer

No, these were sailors in the Navy. Not Scouts.


12 posted on 05/04/2014 2:40:36 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Nope, but there are those who would respond that way


13 posted on 05/04/2014 2:42:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: naturalman1975

There should be a law against that.


14 posted on 05/04/2014 2:43:20 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: naturalman1975

When the Royal Navy dominated the world’s oceans, the Articles of War provided the death penalty for homosexual acts. The principal offenders were the officers and petty officers on the young boys who were frequently carried on the ships company as servants. The foremast jacks may have had a similar inclination, but lacked the opportunities afforded the officers, including a cabin or other private space.

A pederast Captain was one of the Royal Navy’s worst nightmares as he had the power to pick and choose his prey, he had the great cabin at his disposal, and he held enormous power when the ship was at sea. The Royal Navy was never able to completely eradicate this behavior and it continues today.

This is the effect of the left’s desire to impose their metrosexual permissive lifestyle on elements of society where the dirty underbelly is likely to emerge. A ship’s company or a rifle platoon is no place for a homosexual leader as they will inevitably abuse their authority. Yet, you can be sure that politicians will pretend that this problem does not exist.


15 posted on 05/04/2014 2:48:47 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: 9YearLurker
“Child sailors”? Whose bright idea was that?

It was a tradition in the Royal Navy, and it was spread to other Navies in the Empire and Commonwealth. Part of the idea was to get boys young before they had learned any bad habits, and train them.

And when people could leave school at fourteen (or in the early days even younger) to go into a wide range of jobs, it wasn't seen as that odd.

16 posted on 05/04/2014 2:49:55 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

another article available GRAPHIC details. http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2012-07-02/abuse-victims-recount-navy-base-violence/971652


17 posted on 05/04/2014 2:49:55 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: naturalman1975

Rum, buggery, and the lash.


18 posted on 05/04/2014 2:50:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: naturalman1975

why on earth would they have child sailors and if they do why on earth send them to sea with a bunch of filthy men sailors


19 posted on 05/04/2014 2:50:18 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: naturalman1975

Societal tolerance of sexual perversion is not good for the health and well being of our children.

Sounds like Australia has a problem with homosexual pedophiles, or maybe Muslim men in their navy.


20 posted on 05/04/2014 2:51:04 PM PDT by pallis
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To: naturalman1975

Well, it sounds like “didn’t need to ask and did tell”.


21 posted on 05/04/2014 2:52:57 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: naturalman1975

Sounds like the high-school based “Junior” reserve officers training units that we still have in the U.S. Not active service, but trainees/cadets that haven’t yet formally enlisted.


22 posted on 05/04/2014 2:53:06 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: yldstrk
why on earth would they have child sailors and if they do why on earth send them to sea with a bunch of filthy men sailors

It's how it used to be done. A lot of people joined at 15 or 16 and made good careers out of it. Though it is horrifying that anybody was abused in this way, there are also hundreds or even thousands of us who are extremely glad we were given the chance to join up as boys, and had very good careers as a result of it.

I don't know what went wrong in these cases - but it looks like something very serious did go wrong. There were a lot of cases where it went very right as well.

They no longer take people as young as that, but you can still join the Australian Defence Forces at 17, when you're still legally a child.

23 posted on 05/04/2014 2:57:09 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Charles Martel

No, these were full time Officer Cadets (Cadet Midshipman) or Junior Recruits. They were full time sailors. Lived on based, and trained every day. They even went to sea, and some went to war (although policy said they were supposed to keep you out of a war zone until you were 18, I know plenty who served on ships in Vietnam younger than that).


24 posted on 05/04/2014 2:58:58 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

That would make the boy boinkers...let me think...oh yeah, gay...woukd it not?


25 posted on 05/04/2014 2:59:37 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: naturalman1975
... boys of 15 were still being brought in as recruits for enlisted ranks until 1986.

Going back to the 1950s, officers began their training at 13.

US military prep programs were integrated into scouting and local high schools with plenty of local adult oversight.

I think 17 with parents consent was the minimum age for the military proper.

26 posted on 05/04/2014 3:01:03 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
US military prep programs were integrated into scouting and local high schools with plenty of local adult oversight.

We also had (and still have) Cadet Programs, which operate more like something like the Scouts - one afternoon or evening of parade a week, and camps, throughout the year. Some run in schools, and some in the community in general.

But that was separate from the actual practice of taking in boys as Cadet Midshipmen, or Junior Recruits, to train full time on Naval bases, for eventual deployment as sailors to the fleet.

27 posted on 05/04/2014 3:07:20 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: centurion316

Max Pirkis as Midshipman Blakeney played such a role to perfection in “Master and Commander: Far Side of the World”.

I worried a bit first time I saw it, then realized that Captain Jack Aubrey (Russell Crowe) was a man of duty first, last and always, with a dash of humanity to give.

It turned out to be a wonderful story, IMHO, and I would urge anyone who hasn’t seen it, do so by all means.


28 posted on 05/04/2014 3:09:00 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: naturalman1975
It was a tradition in the Royal Navy

Quite right. If you aspired to a commission then it was to your advantage to start early as promotions to Lieutenant were tied to a certain minimum years service at sea. Fathers enrolled their sons on the ship's books, although they did not always take them to sea. But, the sons of nobility, the military, and the middle class often went to sea quite young and "learned the ropes". If under the protection of a good Captain, it helped set them up for a promising and perhaps lucrative career. But, in a bad ship, it could be a nightmare.

The world's homosexuals have been unleased against young soldiers, sailors, and Marines and the system will not likely protect them. Much on the increase in sexual assualts in the U.S. Army comes from male on male assaults with the victims being junior enlisted soldiers. Bet you haven't read that in the New York Times.

29 posted on 05/04/2014 3:09:02 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: naturalman1975

Child sailors? What age?


30 posted on 05/04/2014 3:09:53 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: naturalman1975

Got it. I was sure surprised.


31 posted on 05/04/2014 3:12:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: SkyDancer

Potentially as young as 13, depending on how far back they are going (13 year olds were admitted for officer training up until the late 1950s). More likely 15, 16, and 17 year olds - the Navy was still taking boys at that age until 1986 (and still takes some 17 year olds).

I joined just before my 16th birthday, but experienced nothing like this. I’m horrified. I always felt very well protected from anything like that. More protected than I wanted to be at times (”Here’s your lemonade. No rum for you.”)


32 posted on 05/04/2014 3:15:37 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: onedoug
“Master and Commander: Far Side of the World”

Excellent, "Das Boot" is also first rate.

33 posted on 05/04/2014 3:16:14 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: naturalman1975

It’s now coming out how much abuse there has been in the British public (private) school system as well.

Shipping of impressionable pre-teens and teens to those who choose to work with them has always been a dicey proposition.


34 posted on 05/04/2014 3:16:24 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: naturalman1975
ALLEGATIONS that 220 child sailors at the navy’s West Australian training base were raped or brutalised, ...

Are these current cases, perpetrated in the last few years, or cases dating back to as long ago as there are still victims living?

35 posted on 05/04/2014 3:16:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: naturalman1975

Yes, it was standard practice in the Royal Navy to start Cadet Midshipmen or Cabin Boys at a young age. See Horatio Hornblower. Any such practice can be abused if you have a power-mad or abusive Captain, but on the whole it worked out well.

It was also common practice for youngsters to start out very early aboard the trading schooners in Maine and other coastal ports, often sailing aboard their fathers’ ships and learning the family business.


36 posted on 05/04/2014 3:19:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: naturalman1975

That “homosexuals in the Navy” thing not working out?


37 posted on 05/04/2014 3:20:27 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Tax-chick

From what I can see, the last cases are in the 1970s and 1980s. People younger than myself - and I don’t consider myself old yet.

Men in their fifties. Maybe some in their forties.


38 posted on 05/04/2014 3:21:26 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Glad you’re here to give us this kind of background, mate!.


39 posted on 05/04/2014 3:23:03 PM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: naturalman1975

Then its somewhat like the priest scandal, happened a couple of decades ago?


40 posted on 05/04/2014 3:24:16 PM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: Navy Patriot
"Petty Officer Snookums at your service!"



41 posted on 05/04/2014 3:25:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: centurion316
Yet, you can be sure that politicians will pretend that this problem does not exist.

That's because politicians are doing the same thing, themselves.

42 posted on 05/04/2014 3:25:18 PM PDT by LucyT (Where is the $2,500 in health insurance savings 0bama & the Dems Promised Everyone?)
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To: naturalman1975

Thank you, that’s informative. My family is discussing what the immediate political objective in Australia is. The left (which includes almost all press) doesn’t believe there’s anything wrong with adult men’s having sex with teenage boys, so there has to be a point to bringing this up, now.

Has the Australian Navy done something “wrong” recently, like immigration enforcement?


43 posted on 05/04/2014 3:30:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: sgtyork

It looks like it, but I’m waiting to see what else comes out.

If they are looking at the Australian Defence Force Academy as well, things could be much more recent, I’m afraid. Though Cadets at the Academy aren’t children, they are still very young and some of them can still be naive enough, that they are vulnerable if somebody tries to go after them.


44 posted on 05/04/2014 3:31:05 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Good to know. Been asking around here re: child Navy and nobody had a clue.


45 posted on 05/04/2014 3:32:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: yldstrk

“Filthy men sailors”

Nice description you have for the many thousands of honorable sailors serving their countries who aren’t buggering children. Feel free to stick your obnoxious attitude in a very shady place.


46 posted on 05/04/2014 3:33:12 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, the Left in Australia have tended to attack the Navy recently - the most recent ‘scandal’ (now generally acknowledged to be false, although some Left wingers are still beating the drum) was that sailors had deliberately burned ‘asylum seekers’.

But, unfortunately, I don’t find it hard to believe there was at least some cases of abuse in the junior recruit programs, and if they were, it damned well should come out, and those who did it, should be punished to the full extent of the law. I hope it was isolated, if it did happen, but I can believe it did.

Australia is currently holding a ‘Royal Commission’ (a major inquiry lead by a Judge and a panel of other people) into Institutional Child Abuse - looking at groups that ran children’s homes, boarding schools, etc, in the past, so it may also simply be partly that people are coming forward now, because of the publicity in the hope they will be taken seriously. If they were abused, they deserve to see that dealt with, properly.

So it may be a combination of both valid concerns, and politically lead ones.


47 posted on 05/04/2014 3:36:14 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Isn’t there some sort of “initiation” that happens when crossing the equator?


48 posted on 05/04/2014 3:41:07 PM PDT by fso301
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To: naturalman1975
... at least some cases of abuse in the junior recruit programs, and if they were, it damned well should come out, ...

I agree. You and I agree that it's wrong for adults to use vulnerable children - young teens and older - as objects for sexual use. It should be condemmed when it has happened, and every effort should be made to avoid further incidence.

However, you have to look (as a separate point) at the Left and its agenda. They condemn the Catholic Church because some homosexual priests abused teenage boys (and a handful of genuine pedophiles assaulted prepubescent girls), but they condemn the Catholic Church because it teaches that homosexual behavior and fornication are wrong.

They attack the Boy Scouts because some homosexual men abused teenage boys, and yet they insist that the organization accept practicing homosexual boys and men.

If the Royal Australian Navy is a current target, it's not because the press gives a flying freep about homosexually abused boys, past or present. It's because the institution has a stance or has done something the Left doesn't like.

49 posted on 05/04/2014 3:44:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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To: fso301; Anoreth
Isn’t there some sort of “initiation” that happens when crossing the equator?
50 posted on 05/04/2014 3:45:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no Star Wars, there is only Zuul.)
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