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New planů let the IRS do your taxes for you!
Hotair ^ | 05/04/2014 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 05/04/2014 5:03:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It’s a couple of weeks too late for this to help most people this year, but I’m sure many of you ran into issues filing your taxes. It’s a huge pain in the backside, isn’t it? Over at Redstate, Matthew Clark dredges up a brilliant scheme from Ezra Klein which should make all of your lives easier.

Why not let the IRS do our taxes for us?

Liberal wunderkind Ezra Klein (formerly of the Washington Post and now of Vox.com) was pushing this new idea a few weeks ago.

Well it wasn’t really new. He’s been pushing it for years.

The idea is to let the IRS, which already has your income and other tax information reported to it, prepare your taxes for you. Klein promotes that it will save billions of dollars and millions of man-hours and “make the IRS your friend.” I mean who really likes doing their own taxes?

But it’s one of the absolute worst ideas I’ve ever heard.

Well, sure… the idea is bound to have a few critics, but not everyone would oppose it apparently. I don’t know if they still do this, but back in the 80′s I dated a girl who informed me that she had never filled out a tax return. Each year she simply filled in her name, date of birth, SSN and other personal bits on a blank 1040 and stuffed it in an envelope with her W-2. She then mailed it off to the IRS and had never had any problems with it. Now, I’m not sure if this was legal and her return was processed properly or she just hadn’t ever been caught, but she claimed to have gotten refund checks in the past, so I assumed it was possible.

Should you do it? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there might be a few people who could conceivably benefit from it. Young, single folks with one source of regular income who rent (rather than owning their home) and with no major outstanding debt or savings, could possibly get away with this and not lose much in the bargain. But I also agree with Matthew in that the IRS has the least possible incentive imaginable to put in any effort to ensure you get all of the deductions, etc. possible and pay the lowest bill. I mean, even if you implicitly trusted the government to begin with, this just sounds like a recipe for losing money.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ezraklein; irs; journolist; journolista; tax; taxes; washingtonpost
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1 posted on 05/04/2014 5:03:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Just give the Obama Admin all the money , then they will give you want they think you deserve


2 posted on 05/04/2014 5:07:20 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SeekAndFind

oh yeah, that’ll work, good one.


3 posted on 05/04/2014 5:07:45 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why don’t we just send them our entire incomes,they will send back what they think we need to survive.


4 posted on 05/04/2014 5:07:50 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

no competing interests there sarc


5 posted on 05/04/2014 5:08:12 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind
Adding up the income is the easy part. The tricky part is adding up the deductions. The IRS will know how much mortgage interest you've paid because of the 1099. They could know how much state and city income tax you've paid with some changes by the local governments reporting it, just as they do with any refunds they send you. Charitable and medical deductions and the ten thousand different social engineering tax credits and deductions are what make taxes hard and those are the ones which the IRS won't know about.
6 posted on 05/04/2014 5:08:22 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This has been in the works for 10 years. They plan to use their real time access to our accounts to track income and spending.


7 posted on 05/04/2014 5:09:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: KarlInOhio

They plan to track every single penny.


8 posted on 05/04/2014 5:10:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the days of serfdom, the tax collector came by and did your taxes for you by grabbing some of your geese. No one ever underpaid.


9 posted on 05/04/2014 5:13:41 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Farmer Dean

Don’t give them any ideas!

(although I’m sure the battiest of the moonbats already pine for it)


10 posted on 05/04/2014 5:16:39 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I let the IRS do my taxes, I would probably be spending the next 5 years in prison. When I got out, I’d be going back in for letting them do it again.


11 posted on 05/04/2014 5:19:42 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind
why not simply goto a 10% flat tax and eliminate the IRS all together???
12 posted on 05/04/2014 5:20:18 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: LostInBayport

The welfare parasites expect the government to do something like that.`I expect the government to oblige them at some point.


13 posted on 05/04/2014 5:20:22 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s go to the Fair Tax and eliminate the IRS.


14 posted on 05/04/2014 5:23:25 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: Chode

There you go Chode,trying to superimpose logic onto the IRS and liberals.


15 posted on 05/04/2014 5:24:03 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Chode

If we put an end to the automatic increases in the welfare state, you could do it with less than 10%.

Russia is currently doing it with 13%.

The former Communists have a more Capitalist tax code than we do.


16 posted on 05/04/2014 5:24:24 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

1040RealEZ:
Line one: How much did you make last year?
Line two: Send it in.


17 posted on 05/04/2014 5:24:32 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is my counter proposal: Flat Tax


18 posted on 05/04/2014 5:25:08 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Chode

I like that idea


19 posted on 05/04/2014 5:26:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s one for you, nineteen for me


20 posted on 05/04/2014 5:27:02 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SeekAndFind

What happens if you start a Tea Party or other conservative group?


21 posted on 05/04/2014 5:40:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

22 posted on 05/04/2014 5:49:47 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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23 posted on 05/04/2014 5:53:56 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: SeekAndFind

I say flood them with paper returns. Flood them with phone calls. Make those assholes regret working for that criminal organization.


24 posted on 05/04/2014 6:04:06 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: driftdiver
That's the reason I don't have any accounts or any mortgage. No hostages.

/johnny

25 posted on 05/04/2014 6:06:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: LostInBayport

Pine for it? The word is plan.

They’ve been working on this for years. Most of the time Congress has denied funding for their projects but they are inching closer every year.


26 posted on 05/04/2014 6:17:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only works for the brain dead!!

The tax code is thousands of pages on how not to pay taxes.


27 posted on 05/04/2014 6:17:41 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

They have had that program around for years. The real problem is that if it is instituted for everyone is if you are on the enemies list .....


28 posted on 05/04/2014 6:17:48 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Surgeon General Warning: Use of Planned Parenthood is hazardous to unborn black fetuses.)
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To: Ben Mugged

- Obama only paid 20% and NYC (Commie) Mayor only paid 8.5%

- That is the most you should pay in income taxes

- “fairness” & “equality” and free $100,000,000 vacations in Afreaka right?


29 posted on 05/04/2014 6:37:39 PM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: Farmer Dean
yeah, how's the saying go? to expect logic of the illogical means you are not logical... or something like that
30 posted on 05/04/2014 6:37:54 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: shibumi
100%!!!
31 posted on 05/04/2014 6:38:27 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a seasonal, professional tax preparer of 10 years plus and an Enrolled Agent qualified to practice and represent taxpayers in civil matters in IRS disputes. There are areas in the tax code that are so confusing, so nuanced as to defy simple answers. When I prepare a return, I look for everything I can find to lower a client’s tax burden, this has been decided as a right by the US Supreme Court. When an IRS Employee (Lois Learner?) does a tax return, are they going to do the same? The ancient Romans had a saying - Qui bono! Look it up!


32 posted on 05/04/2014 6:39:53 PM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: GeronL
just think how many lawyers it'd put out of work...
33 posted on 05/04/2014 6:39:58 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

why not simply goto a 10% flat tax and eliminate the IRS all together???


Because the hard part isn’t calculating the tax on income, it’s determining what is ans isn’t income, and what is a business expense to determine net income.


34 posted on 05/04/2014 6:59:01 PM PDT by Freeping Since 2001
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To: Freeping Since 2001
honest question: how do they do that in Russia?
35 posted on 05/04/2014 7:10:42 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Freeping Since 2001; Chode

This becomes a moot point if you simply eliminate corporate taxes altogether. (Ronald Reagan’s greatest non-implemented idea.)

No corporation actually pays taxes anyway - not if they want to stay in business. They simply either fabricate deductions or pass the taxes along to the consumer.

Those who lobby for higher corporate taxes are simply lobbying to have the prices they pay increased.


36 posted on 05/04/2014 7:21:39 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When I hear of people calling the IRS with a question & getting 10 different answers to the same question;this seems like a bit of a crapshoot.


37 posted on 05/04/2014 7:23:52 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: shibumi

How many of the big tax prep companies support Democrats? All of them?


38 posted on 05/04/2014 7:24:01 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

I don’t know, but they, along with a lot of CPAs and attorneys have a vested interest in making the tax code as Machiavellian and arcane as possible.


39 posted on 05/04/2014 7:26:37 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In theory IRS has all the data to do my tax return - but I have no reason to trust them to pull it together correctly.

40 posted on 05/04/2014 7:30:44 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: SeekAndFind

” if you implicitly trusted the government to begin with, this just sounds like a recipe for losing money.”

If you implicitly trust the government you probably don’t have the sense to spend your own money well to begin with.


41 posted on 05/04/2014 7:36:23 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Freeping Since 2001

A 10% (just a figure to work with) tax on all personal purchases as the only taxes the FEDGOV get, THAT would be simple and final.

So it will never be the policy.


42 posted on 05/04/2014 7:46:48 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: SeekAndFind

I used to wonder why the govt taxed us when they can just print the money they need.


43 posted on 05/04/2014 8:00:14 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: shibumi
100%
44 posted on 05/04/2014 8:01:42 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Ezra Klein, founder of Journolist ping.


45 posted on 05/04/2014 8:28:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe no one else remembers this, but when Obama got into office, the first thing he did was use Affordable Care Act to increase the number of IRS agents by the thousands and he also tried to make it so that the only people who could prepare tax returns for money were people who were sanctioned by the govt.: IRS Enrolled Agents, tax lawyers, CPA’s and tax preparers who would have passed a special IRS test for tax preparers.

The courts struck that testing requirement down, but I’m sure that they are still looking for ways to deputize all people who prepare and submit tax returns and to require all tax payers to use these professional tax preparers (deputized agents) to legally file.

Later, they will make sure these deputized agents are trained to go through all of your private business to make sure you are adhering to every PC thought and practice demanded by the Marxist administration.


46 posted on 05/04/2014 8:30:42 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: SES1066

Cui bono.


47 posted on 05/04/2014 8:34:36 PM PDT by expat2
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To: SeekAndFind

Elvis Presley did this. His father, who handled Elvis’ finances, was afraid of using private accountants because he thought one wrong slip and Elvis would be broke and/or go to jail. So they had the IRS do their taxes for them directly. As a result, they never gave Elvis many deductions he was entitled to. And when he died, the IRS came after his estate, claiming that the IRS was owed 2.5 million. And soon increased that claim to 25 million.


48 posted on 05/04/2014 9:04:17 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Chode
why not simply goto a 10% flat tax and eliminate the IRS all together???

A flat tax, as commonly proposed, isn't a solution to this problem. The complicated part of the income tax code is determining what income is taxable and what expenses are deducted. The simplest part is determining what tax rate to apply.

Abandoning income tax and going to some form of consumption tax is the way to go. It is in this situation only that I agree with the estate tax. If the estate is made up of income which has already been taxed, it is wrong to tax it again at death. However, if someone had hoarded a fortune under a consumption tax (and avoided taxes as a result), it would be fair to tax the estate upon death - call it the final transaction.

I would love to dismantle the IRS just for the message it would sent - we are tired of your abusive tactics. Unfortunately, some tax authorities would have to be in place to assure compliance.

49 posted on 05/04/2014 9:33:58 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: Chode

Counter proposal....

10% import tariff
10% income tax on non citizens

0% tax on citizens.


50 posted on 05/05/2014 1:18:21 AM PDT by GraceG
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