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44th anniversary of Kent State shooting: victims and students remember May 4th, 1970 shooting
Newsnet5 Cleveland ^ | 05-04-2014 | Michael Baldwin

Posted on 05/04/2014 7:40:43 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

KENT, Ohio - A large crowd gathered just after 11 p.m. Saturday behind the Taylor Hall at Kent State University to honor the fallen. The crowd stood near the Victory Bell holding candles in remembrance of May 4th, 1970.

It was 44 years ago that four students were killed after 67 shots were fired in 13 seconds by the National Guard.

The students were pushed over to the parking lot of Prentice Hall as they were protesting the Vietnam War.

Students and volunteers are still standing in the parking lot area where the four students died. The students will stand there for 12 hours honoring the victims in the very spot where they were shot and killed.

Around 7 p.m. Saturday, a forum was held where survivors answered questions and spoke about the day they will never forget.

"To me, May 4th means life, but it also means death and murder," said Dean Kahler, who was shot and will never walk again.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsnet5.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 1970; 197005; 19700504; anniversary; college; kent; kentstate; kentstateuniversity; nationalguard; ohio; shooting; university
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1 posted on 05/04/2014 7:40:43 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

This was worse than Waco.

They were unarmed.


2 posted on 05/04/2014 7:47:53 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: lightman
No one knows who fired first at Kent State. 4 dead in Ohio. 87 dead in Waco. Many children. Waco wasn't an accident -- Waco was deliberate.

Waco was obscene.

3 posted on 05/04/2014 7:49:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

There seems to be some support for the idea that the first shot at Kent State came from a Bill Ayers/SDS type.

I used to have a name for an informant but I’m not going to dig around for it tonight.


4 posted on 05/04/2014 7:54:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I disagree. I will say nothing more.


5 posted on 05/04/2014 7:54:14 PM PDT by The Toll (e)
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To: PaulCruz2016
And the hypocritical b@st@rds commemorating the event want all legal firearms to be owned by police and soldiers.

Idiots.

6 posted on 05/04/2014 7:55:14 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Didn’t this put an end to the campus protests for the most part?


7 posted on 05/04/2014 7:55:32 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Google paid tribute to Audrey Hepburn and what would have been her 85th birthday today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/05/04/google-doodle-audrey-hepburn-actress-birthday/8695579/


8 posted on 05/04/2014 7:56:20 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: PaulCruz2016

University of Alabama football coach Nick Saban is a Kent State Alumnus and was a student there when this happened. He tells the story that he would have been in the vicinity of the shootings, but a friend asked him to have lunch so that delayed his movement about the campus that day.


9 posted on 05/04/2014 7:56:58 PM PDT by Will88
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To: PaulCruz2016

SDS Radicals whipped the students into a frenzy then slinked off when the National Guard shot at the students.


10 posted on 05/04/2014 7:59:16 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: PaulCruz2016
I remember that day. I was a working man trying to support myself after 4 years in the military. No time for college or protests on daddy's dime.

All of those where I worked considered this the elimination of bad rubbish.

11 posted on 05/04/2014 8:00:49 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: ealgeone
Your right!

Even college students in the 1970s were smart enough to never again bring rocks to a gunfight! After a decade of litigation State AGs learned never allow the National Guard to get involved with “campus riots” / panty raids / ROTC building arson / etc. Also that was a lesson to the National Guard to be allow itself to be used by politicians in Race Riots.

Kent State was a “teachable moment” in US history.

12 posted on 05/04/2014 8:04:21 PM PDT by texican01
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To: ConservativeStatement

I found that appalling.


13 posted on 05/04/2014 8:05:13 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I also suspect that this was a set-up. Radical anti-Vietnam protestors were popping up at colleges all over the place, and no one knew how to handle it. Classes were disrupted. Some colleges were shut down for lengthy periods of time (Columbia, for instance). At the uptown campus of NYU, where I was teaching, someone set fire to the library.

We’ll never know for sure exactly what happened. But the National Guard Troops really were unready to deal with these potentially violent protestors. I think they were frightened by the prospect of Molotov cocktails being thrown at them, or something similar.

Of course, it was very unfortunate. The left made instant use of it as a propaganda tool, and one could say that it led eventually to our losing the Vietnam War—not because our troops couldn’t have won it, but because the politicians lost heart and gave up.


14 posted on 05/04/2014 8:06:10 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lightman

Your memory is a little dim. These “unarmed” rioters had burned a Federal Building down the night before.

Moral of the story-—do not throw rocks at someone who has you bore sited!


15 posted on 05/04/2014 8:07:18 PM PDT by texican01
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To: ealgeone

“Didn’t this put an end to the campus protests for the most part?”

Yes. It also helped in large part for us to lose the war.


16 posted on 05/04/2014 8:08:16 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Kent State was a big deal at the time.

Now, after Ruby Ridge, Waco and the all too common SWAT team forced entries and shootings throughout the nation, it seems like a quaint notion that government authorities should not run wild, shooting and killing innocent civilians without due process.

Yet, in the prevailing Police State climate, government entities claim the right to do so and for the most part the courts agree with them.


17 posted on 05/04/2014 8:11:34 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: ealgeone
Didn’t this put an end to the campus protests for the most part?

I think the protests were already dying down. The first draft lottery was held December 1, 1969, and that informed a large number of students (including Slick Willie) of the probability whether they might be drafted.

1968 was the worst year of all for protests (and assassinations), and things began to settle some after that year. Nixon took office January of 1969 and began to reduce the number of US ground troops eary in his first term.

The fewer who had any reason to fear the draft, the fewer the protests and demonstrations.

18 posted on 05/04/2014 8:12:05 PM PDT by Will88
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To: PaulCruz2016

These “students” were not protesting the Vietnam war; they had firebombed the ROTC building, had doused trees in gasoline and caught them on fire, basically terrorized the town residence for weeks and, at the time of the shootings, were throwing bricks and other debris at guardsmen, chanting “kill! Kill! Kill!”

The guardsmen were justified in their very restrained response.


19 posted on 05/04/2014 8:12:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: PaulCruz2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unn8wIQzAeE

Beach Boys, Student Demonstration time.

American was stunned on May fourth 1970, when rally turned to riot at the Kent State University.....

20 posted on 05/04/2014 8:15:18 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Held my nose to vote.)
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