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Klavan: Sterling Shouldn't Be Punished At All
Truth Revolt ^ | 4/30/14 | Andrew Klavan

Posted on 05/04/2014 9:48:54 PM PDT by Nachum

Personally? I think racism — true racism: the devaluation of people because of their skin color or bloodlines — is an intellectual nonsense and a moral transgression.

The arguments about dysfunction in minority communities won't wash, and neither will any of the half-baked genetic claptrap. Read Zola or Dickens and you’ll see that the pathologies of industrial poverty are no different in today’s inner cities than they were in the slums of the past. Read the racist tracts from those days and you’ll find the same hateful pseudo-scientific theorizing about the Irish and the Jews that is now sometimes turned against blacks or Mexicans. With leftists constantly mouthing charges of racism to silence the opponents of their destructive policies, it’s easy for real racists to convince themselves they’ve got the contrarian inside track on some naughty, censored truth. Sorry, it’s all a bunch of old trash.

As for the morals of it: man was made in God’s image. That’s why the command to love your neighbor is “like unto” the command to love God. To denigrate someone for the nature of his creation is to spit in God’s eye — never a smart move, trust me. Of course, if you don’t believe the above premises, then feel free to hate anyone for any reason you like. Knock yourself out.

Having said all this, I should also say that I have several friends who are avowedly racist. They sincerely believe that some races are genetically and morally inferior to others.

Every now and then, a person who knows me well enough to understand that I take this whole love-your-neighbor business seriously in my own hilarious way, asks me why I tolerate these views in my friends. But the answer is simple. I love my friends; they advocate

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: klavan; punished; sterling

1 posted on 05/04/2014 9:48:54 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

The NBA is a business. Should the other owners lose money to protect an idiot?


2 posted on 05/04/2014 9:58:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Yep, freedom of association means the NBA has the right to use its constitution and bylaws to dissociate from the guy.


3 posted on 05/04/2014 10:04:38 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Nachum

Personally I’m sick to death of all this finger wagging.


4 posted on 05/04/2014 10:15:56 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: 9YearLurker

I don’t know why he wants to be an owner. He must be the most unsuccessful owner in any sport. He’s the longest-term owner in the NBA and his team has only gone to the playoffs 7 times in 33 years, and have never won a playoff series until this year. (And they barely won the series, even with the NBA refs carrying them on their back)


5 posted on 05/04/2014 10:16:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

They aren’t losing money


6 posted on 05/04/2014 10:17:05 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: nickcarraway

He’s been an idiot for a long time though


7 posted on 05/04/2014 10:18:46 PM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: nickcarraway

He has made an incredible amount of money owning the team, and now has two of the NBA’s top players and a legitimate chance to win. (Almost all the teams winning in the first round went to seven games this year.)

But living with this level of notoriety? I don’t know if that’s what he’d like, other than being stripped of his team could sting worse.


8 posted on 05/04/2014 10:19:39 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: nickcarraway
The NBA is a business. Should the other owners lose money to protect an idiot?

The accussed (by the left wing media) spoke in private. He was not on a soap box in a busy downtown intersection. They should stand with him over his right to privacy and freedom of thought. If they don't, the left wing media will come after them with a new variation tailored to pick each of them off one at a time.

9 posted on 05/04/2014 10:24:01 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
The accussed (by the left wing media) spoke in private.

If you say something like that to your gold-digging, manipulative, ambitious mistress ("assistant") you might as well be screaming into a megaphone on television.

10 posted on 05/04/2014 10:34:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: 9YearLurker
now has two of the NBA’s top players floppers and a legitimate chance to win.

Did you watch their first round series? They didn't play very well, and they barely beat an opponent that wasn't playing very well. They were consistently allowed to football tackle the other team's best player and were allowed to get away with it.

11 posted on 05/04/2014 10:37:14 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He runs the Clippers as a business, not as a sports team. He bought the organization for very little, has invested next to nothing in it - paying among the lowest salaries in the league - and now has an entity that is reported to be worth north of half a billion dollars. While he might not be successful in terms of titles, he has been very successful in terms of making money. So I guess it’s just what the definition of success means.


12 posted on 05/04/2014 10:37:26 PM PDT by tahoeblue
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To: 9YearLurker

Blake Griffin isn’t a top player. He isn’t even a basketball player. He’s a soccer player who wondered onto the wrong pitch.


13 posted on 05/04/2014 10:37:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: tahoeblue
and now has an entity that is reported to be worth north of half a billion dollars

His investment went up, but not because of his efforts. The value of the Clippers went up because the value of the league went up, and it's in a major market.

14 posted on 05/04/2014 10:39:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
The NBA is a business. Should the other owners lose money to protect an idiot?

First they came for the idiots . . . . and that's when I lost my chance to speak up.

15 posted on 05/04/2014 10:40:12 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Nachum
The players group.....85% black made this happen out of spite and race hustlers and race cowards jumped on board

The whole thing stinks

Set up by vindicative girlfriend in private

Maybe a fine and some consternation

Plenty folks have said or done far worse and nothing......in professional sports

That AmWay Christian is next prolly

Hell....give the league to the blacks.....but make them run it.....an experiment

BTW....why do Jews own 65% of all NBA franchises.....everyone knows they can't play basketball

16 posted on 05/04/2014 10:47:13 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: Nachum

Sterling’s real punishment is his own. He’s not a man who has known any real joy in his life by treating those around him decently.


17 posted on 05/04/2014 11:08:41 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
The accussed ... spoke in private.

I don't know if that misspelling was intentional, but it certainly fits the bill.

18 posted on 05/04/2014 11:13:12 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Nachum

bookmark


19 posted on 05/04/2014 11:23:31 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: nickcarraway

How great did Durant look in the first round of a series that OKC barely won? I’m not one to put Griffin in that top-five category, but he’s got to be in the top 15.


20 posted on 05/05/2014 2:32:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: nickcarraway

Oh, and BTW, Klavan seems to be saying here that anyone who believes all talents are not equally distributed among the races is a vile racist.


21 posted on 05/05/2014 2:34:00 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Nachum

Oh, the only reason I read this is because I thought it was Cliff, the Mailman from Cheers.

He and Kramer are among the few whose comments would make any sense


22 posted on 05/05/2014 3:06:15 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) --"On occasion, nothing said says a lot more than saying something".)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
They should stand with him over his right to privacy and freedom of thought.

Well, they should, but this spineless bunch certainly won't.

If they don't, the left wing media will come after them with a new variation tailored to pick each of them off one at a time.

Yup.

23 posted on 05/05/2014 3:53:04 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Nachum
Does anyone on this forum really believe that if a black owner had said he didn't want his skanky paramour going to games with white studs, he'd have been subjected to what Sterling has been subjected to? There would have been a vast collective yawn from all the people currently dumping on Sterling.

How do I know this? Spike Lee has been making racist statements for twenty years. Nobody in the chattering class says anything about him. He is also a season ticket holder for Knicks games. All the right people think Spike is just a wonderful character.

And Jay-Z showed up at a Nets game wearing a racist medallion attributed to some group called the 5 percenters, or something like that, who hate white people. Although he's sold his interest in the Nets, as a sports agent, he still deals with the league. Nobody (nobody meaning all the libs dumping on Sterling) has remarked on Jay-Z's racist jewelry.

They're all stinking hypocrites. The charges of racism (obviously the worst evil in the world according the libs) only goes in one direction...towards whites.

24 posted on 05/05/2014 4:16:48 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: nickcarraway

Like many owners of sports teams, he loves the cachet of being an owner and flaunting his wealth. It’s an ego thing.


25 posted on 05/05/2014 4:19:07 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: nickcarraway
"Griffin...soccer player"

?????? I'm not a Clippers fan, but seriously pal?

26 posted on 05/05/2014 4:21:57 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: wardaddy
"set up"

I proffered that suggestion that it was mighty strange that the same person, Magic Johnson, involved in the personal dispute between Sterling and his skank, wants to own the Clippers. I was called a conspiratorialist by a number of people on this forum. Maybe I am, but it's still awful strange and convenient.

27 posted on 05/05/2014 4:26:43 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: 9YearLurker

I like Klavan, but he wants to have it both ways. The thought that the world’s races might not be perfectly equal is anathema to many people ....even many people who are hard-headed realists in other matters.


28 posted on 05/05/2014 4:28:55 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

Yeah, I generally like Klavan, but I think he’s incredibly off-base in this entire article.


29 posted on 05/05/2014 4:44:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: nickcarraway

“He must be the most unsuccessful owner in any sport”

He paid 12 million for the team in the early 80’s...he should be able to sell it for anywhere from 500 million to a billion. Unsuccessful? Laughing all the way to the bank.


30 posted on 05/05/2014 5:00:03 AM PDT by kenmcg (b)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Doesn’t matter, his indiscretion hurt the brand, hence his business partners want to force him out.


31 posted on 05/05/2014 5:02:00 AM PDT by Leto
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To: Nachum
Personally? I think racism — true racism: the devaluation of people because of their skin color or bloodlines — is an intellectual nonsense and a moral transgression.

'True racism' 'because of the color of their skin'

This is a false premise. Very few people actually 'devalue' anyone base on 'skin color'. I am sure there are some but most people base opinions on demonstrable behaviors, habits and experiences. Today many people will argue it is culture not race but whatever you call it it just so happens that the 'culture' is largely black as in the case say of unwed mothers or disproportional violent criminality(especially in the 14-35 age group)they are overwhelmingly black. That is not the same as having an opinion based 'solely on just skin color' yet many people including 'conservatives will say just that. As for devaluing, not sure what that means exactly but I can tell you I certainly wouldn't want to emulate said behaviors that are largely black. Just as I have no desire to have a 'culture' like most/many blacks.

32 posted on 05/05/2014 5:29:17 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: 9YearLurker; nickcarraway
Yep, freedom of association means the NBA has the right to use its constitution and bylaws to dissociate from the guy.

And yet if a group of business men decided that having a bus stop near their stores was making it too easy for inner-city blacks to come to their area and have negative impacts on their businesses, and worked with the mayor to have the bus stop removed and buses bypass their area, would that be a valid exercise of "freedom of association"?

33 posted on 05/05/2014 5:55:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

It would be within their legal right to associated in order to petition their government, sure. But it is understandable that the government probably shouldn’t bend to their wishes and that they’d probably suffer a social and commercial backlash if such petitioning were to reach the public.


34 posted on 05/05/2014 6:16:08 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: wardaddy
the whole thing stinks

It's so rare to hear a voice in the media that doesn't toe the line. For starters, what he said wasn't racist (attributing the characteristics of a percentage of a population to the whole group), it was ethnocentric. It was freedom of speech.

Will it now be open season on all white owners in the NBA? Most didn't get their billions by being perfect, but they did make choices that made them money. Will it become very difficult to find non-black owneers willing to buy in in the future? What happens when billionaires with millions to spend on salaries move on to other toys instead of NBA teams? Can we start having some fun complaining to advertisers that we're uncomfortable buying their products when they support a league that restricts freedom of speech?

Summary....I'm wondering if down the road this quick action won't be a lose-lose for everyone involved with the NBA.

35 posted on 05/05/2014 6:29:53 AM PDT by grania
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To: 9YearLurker
It would be within their legal right to associated in order to petition their government, sure. But it is understandable that the government probably shouldn’t bend to their wishes and that they’d probably suffer a social and commercial backlash if such petitioning were to reach the public.

I was thinking more of a very discrete conversation involving "you want some campaign contributions from us for November? Re-route this bus line so it no longer stops here". No mention of why.

About "social and commercial backlash": what if most of their regular shoppers were in favor if not making it easy for inner-city people to come to the area? The Left's whole mechanism of enforcing obedience depends upon the people who buy stuff willingly participating in boycotts. What happens on the day that public sentiment shifts? What happens if people get tired of having to look out of "Knockout Gamesters" in their areas?

Also, keep in mind that Sterling's conversation was all about HIM wanting to exercise HIS freedom of association.

36 posted on 05/05/2014 6:41:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: tahoeblue
He runs the Clippers as a business, not as a sports team. He bought the organization for very little, has invested next to nothing in it - paying among the lowest salaries in the league - and now has an entity that is reported to be worth north of half a billion dollars. While he might not be successful in terms of titles, he has been very successful in terms of making money. So I guess it’s just what the definition of success means.

Exactly. He appears to operate the team as a business. He doesn't care if they win, he cares about maximizing return on investment. If that means not spending too much for players, then that's his business decision.

37 posted on 05/05/2014 6:46:00 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Plenty of affluent neighborhoods have quietly discouraged public transportation on some level for just that level.

But I’m not sure where you’re going with your argument. So if they didn’t express any racist motivations and it didn’t get out and the public would have backed them even if they had and it had?

Basically you’re saying, what if all the circumstances were completely different from this case?


38 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:45 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Nachum

Sterling needed some chastisement in today’s highly charged society. I would have given him one or two years suspension where he could not attend games or interact with the team and a 2 million dollar fine to be deposited to black charities and race hustlers, hucksters etc you know the drill

This 2 mil in blood money would have calmed the waters

****************** Another lesson in liberal overkill in the name of anti-racism and political correctness. Blame the new NBA commissioner...a real jackass. Sterling should stand his ground and sue sue sue with the best lawyers around


39 posted on 05/05/2014 7:46:31 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: 9YearLurker
Plenty of affluent neighborhoods have quietly discouraged public transportation on some level for just that level. But I’m not sure where you’re going with your argument. So if they didn’t express any racist motivations and it didn’t get out and the public would have backed them even if they had and it had? Basically you’re saying, what if all the circumstances were completely different from this case?

Let's say a group of businessmen had arranged to change public transportation routes to exclude inner-city residents from coming to their area.

Let's say it wasn't general knowledge, but you happened to find out about it.

In that circumstance, would YOU accept it as "their right to free association", or would you censure them over it?

40 posted on 05/05/2014 7:58:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

You’re completely missing the point. Their right to free association is in petitioning the government together. If a whole town agrees to stay off the public transportation grid as part of their choice to freely associate only with themselves, that may be a little odd, but within their purview.

To selectively only allow in public transport from whiter and more affluent areas, but not poor, black, high-crime areas is somewhat different. It is a form of ‘redlining’, and something that we socially, if not legally, don’t approve of—at least to the level of public expression.

Even still, that’s not the same as Sterling’s antebellum desire for his paramour not to be seen publicly with black men. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that a majority black league of players, its other owners, and its sponsors doesn’t want to be associated with such an owner.


41 posted on 05/05/2014 8:20:26 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
You’re completely missing the point. Their right to free association is in petitioning the government together.

The NBA owners did not "petition the government together". They simply acted in their own interests, based upon their evaluation of possible blowback from sponsors.

To selectively only allow in public transport from whiter and more affluent areas, but not poor, black, high-crime areas is somewhat different. It is a form of ‘redlining’, and something that we socially, if not legally, don’t approve of—at least to the level of public expression.

So only certain forms of "free association" are acceptable to you. Only forms that are "socially acceptable". And my point is, what happens if the standards of "social acceptability" change, to the point where redlining becomes something that the majority is no longer bothered by? Will you accept the new standard of social acceptability?

42 posted on 05/05/2014 8:38:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Leto
Doesn’t matter, his indiscretion hurt the brand, hence his business partners want to force him out.

So you think radical leftwing bleeding hearts make up a large portion of the fans? Really.

43 posted on 05/05/2014 8:40:53 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: PapaBear3625

First, I was in that instance, I would have thought obviously, referring to your example—not the NBA owners.

Second, I wasn’t commenting on my take on your hypotheticals at all—simply describing what they entailed.


44 posted on 05/05/2014 9:36:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
So you think radical leftwing bleeding hearts make up a large portion of the fans? Really.

From a demographic survey of sports fans:

The NBA has the youngest audience, with 45 percent of its viewers under 35. It also has the highest share of black viewers, at 45 percent—three times higher than the NFL or NCAA basketball.
What business could survive alienating 45% of their customers?
45 posted on 05/05/2014 9:44:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Except by alienating 55%???


46 posted on 05/05/2014 9:45:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When you have two groups, one of which responds very badly to any form of "disrespect", and another which does not get that upset, you learn to cater to the first group.

Let the wookie win.

47 posted on 05/05/2014 9:59:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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