Skip to comments.George Will On Benghazi: ‘Rather Less Significant’ Than Watergate
Posted on 05/05/2014 1:59:46 AM PDT by Olog-hai
On Fox News Sunday, George Will was asked about the significance of the Benghazi memo. Specifically, host (Chris) Wallace asked about remarks by Charles Krauthammer comparing the discovery of the Rhodes email to discovery of the Nixon tapes. [ ]
Rather less (significant) than the Watergate tapes, which showed a President at the heart of a crime wave suborning perjury and raising hush money and all the rest.
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How many people died in or as a result of Watergate?
George Will is basically right. There’s only three pieces of this story. First, the CIA was buying and distributing weapons from Libya to Syria...on an active basis...using some Jihad characters that weren’t trustworthy. Two, the dead ambassador was part of the weapons program. Three, the President was fixated on his debate, and really didn’t need something screwing up the outcome. That’s it. Maybe a bunch of lies, but the lies all lead back to these three issues. Once you admit the three, it’s the end of the talk. Sadly, neither the President or his staff want to admit those three bits of info. So it lives on.
Nobody died in Watergate.
This administration is illegitimate. Between the Benghazi cover up and using many government agencies to target the opposing candidates support groups the election was stolen.
Of course it didnt help that the opposing candidate ran a pathetic and feckless campaign but he still would have won if not for the stunning level of corrupt interference with the election process by the incumbent.
What if the president signed off on the CIA’s plan?
From Watergate: What did the president know, and when did he know it?
The email itself may be insignificant when compared with the full reality of Watergate, but that’s only because it is the first and only actual smoking gun that has been uncovered.
On a scandal to scandal basis, Benghazi has the potential to far outstrip Watergate because common sense indicates that there is far more still hidden than has yet been revealed.
When the lid is finally pried completely off this festering horror, this email will be seen as the start — but only the start. So in that sense he’s right.
If this committee digs thru all the emails and cross examines the right people, all their illegal acts can be linked. They have not even tried to hide a lot of this stuff, they have been in our face about it all. It all leads back to the White House. This is the perfect time and method to tie it all together, as far as I know there is no lines the committee can not cross to get to the whole truth. It will take time and effort and there will be some career employees who will come out of the woodwork and screw these bastards. Trey has this criminal enterprise by the short and curlies. All that is needed is guts and the will to do it. Screw the MSM and the talking heads.
So maybe he’ll go Regan on us with an “ In my heart” admition ?
This President? He hired a bunch of ‘yes-guys’ for his White House staff and for the key positions. So they walk in and occasionally brief him on new operations, and he just gazes at them and nods his head. I doubt if he ever understood the plan from start to finish, or the implications of selling weapons through a jihad group to Syrian rebels. Some signed Presidential ok? No....there is no such thing. Just some ten brief over five or six operations starting up, and he likely never remembered anything (call it issues from his marijuana usage or whatever, but it doesn’t matter).
O.K. Let's stipulate that you're correct. Three issues, three issues only. <
Then...why the lies?
Running guns to Syria without congressional approval was no big deal. After all, you'd already started and fought a war in Libya without congressional approval. And any accusation could've been met -- effectively -- with a two-word answer: Iran-Contra.
So, the Ambassador was involved. So, what?
The President was distracted by his debate prep. Welllllll, it wouldn't have been good form to admit that. But they've consistently alleged that nothing could've been done -- and isn't that a sufficient answer?
So far, I don't see a single rational reason for compounding an elaborate (yet tattered from the outset) cover-up then standing squarely behind it for, what?, 3-4 weeks...even unto today. Nor is there any reason whatsoever for sequestering every single person who was present, signing them to non-disclosure pledges and keeping even their identity secret from Congress.
No, there's something else. Something outside those three issues -- something so destructive -- that they're scared silly it might be discovered.
Watergate was an extremely minor event if taken out of the political context. It was just an excuse to go after Nixon, who didn’t even know about the actual crime at the time it happened.
What George Will mised was than Benghazi was much worse than suborning perjury and raising hush money........It involves treason at the highest levels of the White House, possible even the president himself.
Arming the enemy and then refusing to defend US staff against those arms? That’s treason to anyone who can read the law.Will has taken a lefty pill, his view is far too narrow and academic, all of a sudden, A RINO approach. Charles Krauthammer has it right exactly.
Treason of the President of the United States:
.U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 § 238118 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Watergate was nothing compared to this and we had 319 hours of hearings broadcast simultaneously on all networks repeated at night on PBS.
In Benghazi you have the gun running by our government (isn’t that in itself illegal?) while trying to take guns away from the American people. There was an Ambassador left hanging out there to die. (Are we sure that wasn’t intentional? If he had been rescued he would have had to answer a lot of questions that would probably have brought to light the gun running right before the election and who knows what else.) Were the other three people simply collateral damage to this administration? (What difference do they make as long as the truth doesn’t leak out of this transparent administration right before an election? (Sarc)) POTUS was practicing for a debate? Is that what they are saying the official reason was that he wasn’t in the situation room after they lied and said he was there watching in real time?
Concocting a BIG LIE TO SPEW REPEATEDLY over and over like Groundhog day while you look right in the camera by numerous people, including POTUS, AND LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE all seems a smidgen worse than Watergate to me.
Why the lies?
Basically, if you tell this oddball story...you admit that you are dealing in weapons, working deals with jihad characters, that your jihad characters turned on you and killed an ambassador, and that your top priority during the actual attack was the political debate for the next day. Oh, and I should add...it tends to make you look just like Reagan’s Iran-Contra dealings, and various other underhanded deals of the past forty years.
For historical purposes, I don’t think they want to let the public know they had day-to-day chats with jihad guys, and that you were paying them some cash for services rendered. It makes you look pretty crummy, and in the same scale as France or Russia. I know it sounds stupid that this comes down to three issues, but George Will was right....it’s not all that big or dense as people think.
Oh, and I should add this...someone on the White House staff...knew the connections to the jihad guys who were the service providers and weapon transport experts to Syria. This might make you lead onto another question...how did you get to know this jihad group and what else do you have cooking in their kitchen?
Translation, it is more than politics and a break-in and cover up and it is too icky for George to get involved in. It involves, Trust, Lies, Arms-Deals with shady characters and the soft underbelly of what people do behind the scenes dealing with despots and unfortunately this deals with the loss and injury of many of our bravest and brightest. It also deals with the fact is we probably didn’t send support which means a lot to many of us. But it is too much for the cucumber sandwich crowd in the beltway...
Krauthammer’s the guy who made the Watergate comparison, so methinks Will is feeling a bit of rivalry against his fellow network contributor.
It seems to me that the American people are strongly supportive of illegitimacy in every way possible.
I should add this...in the last couple of hours....the NY Times featured an article on a Texas depot...where the CIA manages it’s arms cache. Camp Stanley is the place mentioned. I would suspect that it also fits into the whole broad story. Maybe the weapons got moved from Texas to Libya, and the CIA simply hired out the jihad guys to transport them the rest of the way into Syria.
Who decided on no added security when asked for by the Ambassador, not once but several times and why? Who decided on no military rescue and why? Where are the witnesses who were whisked off and have not been heard from? Were threats made to shut the witnesses up? Was the Ambassador set up for murder and why, did he know to much? Who picked out the native security forces that either allowed it to happen or were involved? What is so important that the cover up was started to begin with and continues to this day? Who gave the MSM their marching orders to enable the cover up and mislead the public? Would the truth have resulted in a failed reelection and didn’t that result in a stolen election? Do not all these actions rise to the level of treason not to mention murder? What if the IRS was used to make certain witnesses toe the line, both witnesses on the ground and in the MSM? Why was the FBI not allowed into the site of the attack for 3 weeks and who stopped them, could that lead to Holder? Who coordinated the talking heads by providing them with the questions they were allowed to ask and if they weren’t willingly agreeable were there threats made and by who? Who told Carney to lie, though he probably would have anyway, who told him what to lie about? Who else was Cummings coordinating with to slow or stop the Issa committee?
This isn’t just a little smoke and mirrors, this is a full fledged forest fire. I am just an ignorant hillbilly and even I can see this and more. Why can’t you?
Unfortunately the majority of the American people do not care. Unless the mainstream media take up the story and begin attacking the current administration like they did Nixon, most of the people will view Benghazi another Republican political witch hunt.
Average people I know, even those who dislike the current regime, are weary of the 24 hour news cycle and the in inability through the political system to have a voice. The economy is bad, private sector jobs are insecure and hard to find, private sector work hours are long, and in general day to day life gets harder every year.
Many conservatives I know are disgusted by both the Dems and the GOP. The aftermath of the 2010 elections, the endemic corruption at all levels of government, and the war on the tea party by the elites, has created apathy. More and more people I speak to are just tuning out with respect to politics as well as the news. They’ve turned inward, focusing on family, friends, hobbies, jobs, and whatever aspects of their daily lives they can control.
Meanwhile the left wingers I know are fired up. They know they are winning and want to impose their socialist agenda on their neighbors.
The GOP establishment may be surprised this year. The base may be so apathetic, or so tired of being taken for granted, it doesn’t show up to vote for the lesser of two evils. When you get to the point you realize your vote really doesn’t matter, why make the effort?
At this point all Benghazi seems to be is a way for the GOP elites to make some noise to fire up the base and distract conservatives from the amnesty they plan to deliver as well as the retreat from any effort to repeal the ACA. Even this weak effort to throw red meat at the base is lackluster, proving the leadership really doesn’t care.
To be blunt, the GOP does not like or respect the conservative voters it relies on to win elections and the elites of the party have overtly demonstrated their disdain for the flyover country and suburban voters. The feeling has become mutual. In any organization, when leadership loses the respect of the rank and file, the organization will fail in its mission. This of course assumes there is a mission.
There is more. Sequestering witnesses using the IRS to intimidate political opponents weaving a pattern of lies about their activities refusing to enforce laws and unilaterally changing law out side the legislative process
Nixon looks like a kid in short pants
No. He is not right. He is exhibiting typical weak-kneed DC insider "go-along-get-along" attitude and language of pusillanimity presented in the guise of reason. A condition that too many conservatives, let alone Republicans, seem to be overtaken by.
On a very basic level, there is no comparison between the two scandals. The argument that Benghazi is insignificant is incredibly idiotic.
Will also agreed with Rep. Adam Schiff that it would be a smart move on the part of Democrats to boycott any further investigation into the Benghazi incident, as it would make the Republicans look obviously as if they were just participating in partisan presidential election politics.
Translation: Shrink back, roll over, accept you can't oppose the evil, it's far too strong. Settle in the yoke of tyranny and find it in ourselves to capitulate and learn to be at ease with it.
George Will is a useless poltroon.
Misleading headline. Wonder why they do that?
This scandal cost the lives of four Americans. Obama was probably looking at his golf swing while these people were being killed. No matter the faults of Nixon, can anyone imagine him rolling pins in the White House bowling alley while Americans were being killed by jiahdis? It goes to the core of Obama being an incompetent fool as regards national security which is far more dangerous than a semi-paranoid, insecure president, Nixon, who covers up for his subordinates.
The tension between the two is evident when watching them on Bret Baier's Special Report.
I used to put some stock into George Will's opinion many years ago.
Now he seems to grope for his position and seems always slightly off track from the topic at hand.
And I'm not fond of his cute little turns on cliche's.
...”Who decided on no added security when asked for by the Ambassador, not once but several times and why? Who decided on no military rescue and why? Where are the witnesses who were whisked off and have not been heard from? Were threats made to shut the witnesses up? Was the Ambassador set up for murder and why, did he know to much? Who picked out the native security forces that either allowed it to happen or were involved? What is so important that the cover up was started to begin with and continues to this day? Who gave the MSM their marching orders to enable the cover up and mislead the public? Would the truth have resulted in a failed reelection and didnt that result in a stolen election? Do not all these actions rise to the level of treason not to mention murder? What if the IRS was used to make certain witnesses toe the line, both witnesses on the ground and in the MSM? Why was the FBI not allowed into the site of the attack for 3 weeks and who stopped them, could that lead to Holder? Who coordinated the talking heads by providing them with the questions they were allowed to ask and if they werent willingly agreeable were there threats made and by who? Who told Carney to lie, though he probably would have anyway, who told him what to lie about? Who else was Cummings coordinating with to slow or stop the Issa committee?
This isnt just a little smoke and mirrors, this is a full fledged forest fire. I am just an ignorant hillbilly and even I can see this and more. Why cant you?”...
You are one smart guy, Foundahardheadedwoman. I would love to see you on the leading television talk shows. Thank you for fully expressing your thoughts here.
“Krauthammers the guy who made the Watergate comparison, so methinks Will is feeling a bit of rivalry against his fellow network contributor.”
A couple months ago, when his book was released, there was a TV special on Krauthammer’s life. In interviews with C.K., he implied, possibly said (I can’t recall exactly), that George Will is just about his closest friend and they’ve been close for decades. (C.K. met Obama the first time at a party at G.W.’s house, I believe.) Perhaps something has happened to change that relationship recently.
If there was EVER a doubt that George Will
is nothing but a DNC-plant of RINO Fox “News”,
.... this is IT.
What a phoney pro-Obama pro-corruption phoney.
I think that influenced the response (actually lack thereof) by US forces, trying to keep the arms trafficking under wraps.
There is the greatest significance: giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war.
For all his failings, Richard M. Nixon didn't come close to that.
The juxtaposition of your posts #24 and 26 is interesting.
I guess George Will is trying a sort-of-C-Y-A for Obama here.
Could it be an elaborate plan to release the “Blind Sheik” via a staged kidnapping?
the question then becomes...
1. Why would the US do that??
any explanation at that point becomes really destructive
The reason I bring this up is that anybody who watched the hearings can plainly see that security was drawn down intentionally and the Ambassador was sent on a fools mission!!! (from an administration perspective that would make perfect sense to allow/plan it to happen and have minimum loss of life and little collateral damage)
I believe you meant #24 and #28.
If so, I do value, although I don't always agree with, CK's opinions.
Yes, that is interesting.
Yes the memo is less significant than the tape because the tapes showed nixon directly involved.
But we have a ways to go and more evidence is to be revealed.
“Arming the enemy and then refusing to defend US staff against those arms?”
Think about that one for a min.
Was the cover-up and long delay to investigate because the guns and mortars used in the attack were US issue?
The terrorists got the stuff, and likely training, from the CIA and used it on them in the attack. THAT would be pretty hard to admit just before the election!
Is that why access to witnesses that were there is being blocked? They likely know if that was the case.
If that’s what happened... You have O’bastard and Hildabeast signing off on the CIA giving arms to terrorists, that wind up being used to kill the ambassador and other Americans on the ground there.
was deeply involved in
both Watergate and Benghazi.
I watched him earlier today. He’s wearing a toupee.
George Putnam used to say that about Sam Donaldson.
hey George, that’s the IRS SCANDAL you’re referring to....which is FAR WORSE than Watergate. But, you haven’t done a damn thing about that either. You’re no conservative, haven’t been and in my mind, are persona non grata...
That is precisely what I believe is being covered up. There was a pre-arranged plot -- hatched by Morsi and Obama -- to kidnap the Ambassador then, on the eve of the election, exchange him for the Blind Sheikh. Both Morsi and Obama expected to win political points from the exercise.
This theory explains why Stevens was sent to Benghazi in the first place. And why he was methodically denied the security he requested. And why Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty had to disobey orders in order to mount a resistance to the attack -- which was supposed to be unresisted. Which also explains why Obama made no move to counter the attack -- it was supposed to be successful.
But, in the ensuing violence, Stevens lost his life -- thereby eliminating the objective of the exercise. Once Stevens was confirmed dead, Clinton and Obama were left to formulate a cover story.
“...your top priority during the actual attack was the political debate for the next day....”
Actually, the first presidential debate was NOT the next day (September 12th) but was on October 3, 2012. That actually makes Obama’s (and Hillary’s) malfeasance even more reprehensible—if that’s even possible.
Refreash my memory ... how many died in Watergate?
Actually, the first presidential debate was NOT the next day (September 12th) but was on October 3, 2012.
Even worse, the "next day's" primary activity was a star-studded fund-raiser in Las Vegas.
Would the CIA run guns WITHOUT Obama’s approval? I doubt it.
I think he was referring to the amount of evidence linking both presidents to the crime... while evidence against Obama is building, it still is less than his voice being taped, as with Watergate... I may be wrong...
The trade for the Blind Sheik certainly makes sense but does not explain why 30+ CIA weapons experts were at the Annex.
I remain convinced Benghazi was a gun-running op to arm al-queda terrorists in Syria.
It would explain why obamatollah has silenced most of the 30+ witnesses to keep the gun-running op under the radar.
Benghazi Was About 400 Surface-to-Air-Missiles Stolen by ‘Some Very Ugly People,’ DiGenova Says
August 13, 2013 - 6:44 AM
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The U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, following the terror attack that resulted in the murders of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. (AP File Photo)
(CNSNews.com) - Former U.S. Attorney Joe DiGenova, who now represents one of the Benghazi whistleblowers, told a Washington radio station Monday that the real scandal in Benghazi is the theft of 400 surface-to-air missiles by some “very ugly people.” The Obama administration fears those missiles will be used to shoot down an airplane or blow up one of our embassies, he said.
Speaking to WMAL on Monday morning, DiGenova blasted President Obama for revealing, at his Friday news conference, the existence of a sealed indictment against a Benghazi suspect or suspects.
Then DiGenova added this bombshell:
“We had troops ready to deploy in Croatia to go (to Benghazi) that night of Sept. 11, 2012 to rescue Americans. We have learned that one of the reasons the administration is so deeply concerned — we have been told there were 400 surface-to-air missiles stolen, and that they are on or about in the hands of many people, and that the biggest fear in the U.S. intelligence community is that one of these missiles will be used to shoot down an airliner.”
DiGenvoa said the information came to him as a result of his legal representation of Benghazi whistleblower Mark Thompson.
“This information comes from former intelligence officials who stay in constant contact with people in the special ops and intelligence community. And it is pretty clear that the biggest concern right now are the 400 missiles which have been diverted in Libya and have gotten into the hands of some very ugly people. And they worried specifically, according to theses sources, about an attempt to shoot down an airliner.”
Former U.S. Attorney Joseph DiGenvoa now represents one of the Benghazi whistleblowers. (Photo from DiGenova’s website)
DiGenova says he doesn’t know if the missiles were physically at the CIA annex on the night of Sept. 12 — “but it is clear that the annex was somehow involved in the process of the distribution of those missiles.” The CIA annex in Benghazi apparently was gathering the Libyan missiles to be sent to an unknown destination.
Why did the Obama administration delay the entry of FBI investigators into Benghazi after four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens, were killed that night? DiGenova was asked.
“Because it happened before an election,” he replied.
DiGenova said the theft of the missiles continues to have a ripple effect: “This is why we shut down the 19 embassies recently. They were afriad that there was going to be a missile attack on one of the embassies. Remember, you can take a shoulder held missile and shoot it into an embassy, not just into the sky.
“What happened is, the reason they lied, about — in other words, remember the famous demonstration, and the phony video and all of that? That’s what this was all about. That’s why they’re so worried. That’s why they have lied repeatedly about what happened in Benghazi. Because they are now responsible for all of the stepchildren of violence that happens as a result of this. This is a very serious manner. And when you compound it with the flippancy of the president of the United States who talks about a sealed indictment to cover his fanny — to make it look like he’s doing something when in fact he has done nothing — we have reached a level of cynicism on the part of this president that is staggering.”
DiGenova says former U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice was sent out to lie on five Sunday talk shows, blaming the attack on an obscure anti-Muslim video, to cover up the real scandal involving the stolen missiles.
DiGenova said in revealing the existence of the indictment, the president “did jeopardize the lives of people who may be trying to find some people on the ground in Libya, and I assume that we do have somebody there trying to find some people, although with this president, you never know — because as you know, he doesn’t want to capture people, he wants to kill them, because if he captures them, he either has to try them — which is very hard to do — or put ‘em in Gitmo, which he will not do.”
I often tell people nearly the same thing. Nixon lied and tried to cover things up to protect his party and even the country. Clinton and now Obama, lied and covered up to protect themselves. So, which is worse from the individual perspective?
Nixon lied, and covered up about a burglary he ordered to an office staffed by Democrats: Nixon resigned, rather that choosing to submit to an Impeachment Trial. Nobody died.
Bill Clinton lied and was Impeached. Aide Vince Foster and Bureaucrat Ron Brown died.
B. Hussein lied, was AWOL, covered up and is proud of it. Four of his employees were brutally murdered in Benghazi, while Obama slept like a baby.
The whole Benghazi ambassador assassination could not have been done better had it been planned by the administration. Well, maybe they could have chained the former seals to their bunks.