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Virginia proposal would limit size of gatherings at private homes
Fox News ^ | May 5, 2014 | Kenric Ward

Posted on 05/05/2014 5:41:26 AM PDT by don-o

A plan to ban "frequent and large gatherings at neighborhood homes" is a lawsuit waiting to happen, a Fairfax County supervisor predicts.

Officials will get an idea Wednesday when public-comment hearings begin in Virginia's most populous county.

"I believe the county is risking a lawsuit and/or a constitution challenge by interfering with peoples' right to assemble," Supervisor Pat Herrity said in a statement.

The proposed zoning ordinance limits "group assembly" at residences to 49 people a day. Such gatherings "shall not occur more frequently than three times in any 40-day period."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; assembly; fairfaxcounty; fascism; firstamendment; freeassembly; governortarkin; groupassembly; privatehomes; righttoassemble; terrymcauliffe; virginia
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If there's trespassing, illegal parking, disorderly conduct - whatever, then enforce existing law.
1 posted on 05/05/2014 5:41:26 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Fairfax has turned looking the other way when it comes to houses being used as hostels for migrant labor into an art.

Happened to the house next door to me, once. County ignored it, HOA at least told me they wouldn’t touch it due to the threat of discrimination suits.

Ended up selling and moving, especially since the guys staying in the house would stare at my wife and young daughter.


2 posted on 05/05/2014 5:47:02 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: don-o

Nymber One Targer....Church groups,

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Number 2 “Realtors worry that even open houses would invite civil penalties. “

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Number 3.. See Number 1.

this proposed law could have been passed in RED CHINA in years past...


3 posted on 05/05/2014 5:47:19 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: don-o
Amendment I: Freedom of Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, and Petition
4 posted on 05/05/2014 5:49:53 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: don-o

Tyranny is always probing deeper into our basic rights. We must be ever vigilant! Whoever is sponsoring this should be forced out of office as an example to all the other fascists.


5 posted on 05/05/2014 5:50:37 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: tanknetter

Where my daughter used to live (in a cul de sac in a middle class neighborhood) there was a house across the way jammed full of illegals. Heck, they even served as a waypoint and sometimes you’d see large campers parked outside for a few days (dumping the crap pipes into the storm sewer).

Everyone in that immediate area tried to get the HOA, the police, etc. to do something, but nothing. Eventually, the illegals who ran the place lost it in foreclosure.

She moved and built a new house, and rented that house for about 18 months. The sale on it closes next week.


6 posted on 05/05/2014 5:51:22 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: don-o
Back in the early 1980's I knew a fellow from Cuba. I remember this is on of the things he told me about Cuba. If 3 or 4 people ever gathered on the street the cops immediately broke it up. Welcome to Commie USA!
7 posted on 05/05/2014 5:53:43 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: don-o

In Houston, 100+ illegals were found in a suburban house living in filth. Obama is encouraging such activity by banning deportations.


8 posted on 05/05/2014 5:53:58 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: tanknetter
Ended up selling and moving, especially since the guys staying in the house would stare at my wife and young daughter.

In Texas, I can legally open carry my handguns on any piece of property that I own or control (i.e. lease, rent, etc.).

jussayin'

9 posted on 05/05/2014 5:55:35 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: don-o
Chip chip chip... Little by little the un-American fascists are chipping away at our rights.

You don't need that 30 round magazine.

You don't need that "assault weapon."

You don't need privacy/security in your car.

You're near the border, you can be stopped and questioned.

In ways big and small, all across the Country our rights are being eroded away. Oppose the fascists and you'll be shouted down with "It's for the children!" or "Its for your safety!" or "It's for xyz, how can you oppose xyz!?" or "But you don't need xxx!" or "But if it saves just one life..."

We're on our way all right, and I think we're in a handbasket...

10 posted on 05/05/2014 5:55:36 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ArtDodger
There is no unfettered "right to assemble" in the Constitution. It is to stated this way:

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble"

11 posted on 05/05/2014 5:57:38 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

We are in a freefall, My FRiend. And well on the way down.


12 posted on 05/05/2014 6:00:05 AM PDT by sport
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To: don-o

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/zoning/groupassembly/groupassemblydraft2-18-14.pdf


13 posted on 05/05/2014 6:00:47 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: The_Victor

That’s what I’m thinking. If something like that happened in my neighborhood... Well, I know several people up and down my street (myself included) that would make life very, very difficult for an illegal’s home. You don’t need police nor HOAs. They’d get the hint right quick.


14 posted on 05/05/2014 6:01:56 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: don-o

The War on Christ.

Stop the home churches, reduce the organized church to a department of the state.


15 posted on 05/05/2014 6:02:39 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: don-o
Police State? What Police State?


16 posted on 05/05/2014 6:04:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Love to see this enforced at a post-funeral family gathering.


17 posted on 05/05/2014 6:06:25 AM PDT by AU72
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To: don-o

Sounds like a zoning issue to me. We own rentals in a neighboring county where we are limited to three adults in a house and three cars at the property. Everyone ignores it though.


18 posted on 05/05/2014 6:10:53 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: don-o

This law would require each local to have “monitors” watching and reporting to the police. I can almost see it now, “Dear sir or madam, you are nearing your 40 day limit for gatherings.....”

Then they will just lower the group size to 25 and extend the days to 50......

Soon it will be illegal to go to your own house.


19 posted on 05/05/2014 6:12:46 AM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

49 would be a bit large for a home church. Where would everyone park?
I’m not sure what they are fighting but if it is illegals, a federal judge will overrule it.


20 posted on 05/05/2014 6:13:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: don-o

The people in Fairfax County deserve this, they are a bunch of stinking liberal morons. Let them get a taste of their fascist government.


21 posted on 05/05/2014 6:14:16 AM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Take off all your clothes so we can search you, oh wait we will just xray you...


22 posted on 05/05/2014 6:16:58 AM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: The_Victor

In MI you can CC anywhere on your property, and OC everywhere else, no permit required.


23 posted on 05/05/2014 6:17:26 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: ArtDodger

Virginia seems increasingly to be the home of organized fascism.


24 posted on 05/05/2014 6:19:29 AM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: The_Victor

I agree. I would never move. I’m too obstinate and have a nasty streak a mile wide. The best defense is a good offense.


25 posted on 05/05/2014 6:19:57 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says “shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: don-o

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/zoningordinance/

Here is the ordinance that is being amended


26 posted on 05/05/2014 6:20:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Here’s one in North Carolina. You can’t tie your dog up outside

http://www.news-record.com/news/article_e33dae58-d3d8-11e3-bbb7-001a4bcf6878.html


27 posted on 05/05/2014 6:25:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: don-o

My wife did the census there over twenty years ago. The immigrants pave the front yard for parking and turn every room and closet into bedrooms. Finally they sleep in shifts like the old hot bunks on submarines...8 hours and you get up because someone else waiting.


28 posted on 05/05/2014 6:30:15 AM PDT by Portcall24 (aer)
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To: Portcall24

I am still trying to find what the actual problem they think they are solving is.


29 posted on 05/05/2014 6:32:05 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Stop the home churches, reduce the organized church to a department of the state.

that's is exactly what is at stake here... up until 2-years ago, i lived in the Central Valley in California... we had a 1.5 acre property... we are homeschoolers, and we belonged to a co-op... we would have anywhere from 3-5 families in our co-op any given year... we built a detached classroom and an additional office/classroom on our property... our co-op would meet two days a week... so for 8-10 weeks out of the year, we would assemble at our home (each family hosted the co-op for one quarter)... plus we led a small group which met once a week... and i led a reading group that met weekly in our home... and every so often i would host a homeschooling mothers evening in our home... and from time-to-time i would hold educational workshops on our property... our property was big enough so that no one would park on the street... we lived in a large cul-de-sac with only seven homes where most residence kept farmer/rancher hours and were gone while our schooling took place... it was a perfect setting for our lifestyle at that time in our lives... not this particular law, but laws like the one proposed would hinder our freedom to do what we did...

30 posted on 05/05/2014 6:33:13 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Portcall24
The immigrants pave the front yard for parking and turn every room and closet into bedrooms.

on July 1,1999, the Front Setback Paving Ordinance went into effect in San Jose, California, for that very reason...

31 posted on 05/05/2014 6:40:36 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: don-o
If there's trespassing, illegal parking, disorderly conduct - whatever, then enforce existing law.

But its easier to pass new unenforcible laws.

32 posted on 05/05/2014 6:44:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: don-o

Exactly. There are other laws to enforce to protect neighbors, etc.


33 posted on 05/05/2014 6:50:58 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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49 would be a bit large for a home church. Where would everyone park?

Ever live across the street from a home church? I have. I can assure you, they find parking spaces.

Hope you don't need to go anywhere while "church" is in service. Getting out of your driveway can be fun.

34 posted on 05/05/2014 6:53:23 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: don-o

This is badly needed to target illegals, and their homes which turn into hotels/odd gathering places.

To be honest, this will also end up targeting Asian communities, Vietnameese, Koreans, and even Indians, as these homes tend to have very large gatherings frequently which last late into the night in Fairfax county.

Around the corner from my house is a large home, which has completely paved the entire front yard to turn it into a psuedo parking lot, where the Koreans who live there have large gatherings every Friday/Saturday during the summer. No HOA in my neighborhood (I refuse to live in one) and for the most part the noise is kept to a minimum.


35 posted on 05/05/2014 6:57:18 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: don-o

VA: Go to Hell!


36 posted on 05/05/2014 7:04:39 AM PDT by onedoug
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I think it is purely RACIST.

That is going to really, really limit the size of illegal Mexican households here in Texas.

Hell, the drug dealers across the street from me will really be hit hard.

/sarc


37 posted on 05/05/2014 7:05:29 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Yes, likely, and I must say I am somewhat sympathetic to the intent.

I live in a very nice, quiet neighborhood. Every few weeks or so, middle of the week, the Mormons across the street host an event. I am talking about an event that has dozens of people show up in dozens of cars. Parking is completely taken over by the visitors. This on a street (cul-de-sac) of 21 homes. Many times the visitors park in front of driveways and block them. Noise is tolerable but trying to drive in and out of the neighborhood is downright impossible due to jammed parking on both sides of the street, and if you do have to leave, don’t expect to find a parking place anywhere near your home when you return. Because we don’t have any side streets off of our street (fields on both sides), and the road our street joins is a divided roadway with no parking, you are forced to park about a third of a mile away at the Walgreens parking lot and walk back on the busy street (or walk in the thistle and weeds—no sidewalk).
The Mormons are always nice about moving when approached to let you out of your own driveway, but come on. . .


38 posted on 05/05/2014 7:05:30 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: PghBaldy

You are correct, but the law in question does not make this distinction. The right to peaceably assemble is being infringed by this law. If an assembly is not peaceable, then there are laws already on the books to deal with such gatherings. Those laws should be enforced, but laws restricting the right to assemble based solely upon the activity of assembling (such as the one being discussed here) are blatantly unconstitutional.


39 posted on 05/05/2014 7:15:15 AM PDT by stremba
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To: AU72

How about a wedding reception? An anniversary celebration? Graduation? A major birthday?

I have attended local horse events that were held at one ranch or another. We have had as many as 150 people there, riders, crews, volunteers, people cooking, etc.

This is nuts.

IF it needs to be written about illegals, write is as such.


40 posted on 05/05/2014 8:30:11 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: don-o

Is this in response to beer parties, or TEA PARTIES???


41 posted on 05/05/2014 11:09:24 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: don-o
If there's trespassing, illegal parking, disorderly conduct - whatever, then enforce existing law.

This response should have ended this thread.

Whatever happened to common sense?

42 posted on 05/05/2014 11:50:39 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: don-o
I recall earlier stories of communities doing this to stop home prayer groups from meeting. They cited parking and traffic on the streets.

-PJ

43 posted on 05/05/2014 11:54:59 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: AppyPappy; stockpirate

I think this is something coming out of Spotsylvania County, which is three counties south of Fairfax.

The main reason for this new encroachment on freedom is a couple use their property for wedding parties anywhere from three to six times per year and the county is trying to find a way to limit those parties.


44 posted on 05/05/2014 12:51:46 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: OldMissileer

We have several properties locally that do this. They are out in the rural areas. The law doesn’t make sense.


45 posted on 05/05/2014 12:54:14 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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The law doesn’t make sense.

It does when there are businesses within that county that want the revenue from those parties. Crony Capitalism is not just for the Federal Government.

46 posted on 05/05/2014 1:02:23 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: MeshugeMikey

My first thought too

Churches


47 posted on 05/05/2014 1:07:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: don-o

Societies under martial law often have similar laws.


48 posted on 05/05/2014 2:19:22 PM PDT by BobL
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To: wardaddy

as mainline churches dwindle in size,...home churches seem to thrive.

this is one way to keep that from happening..even here in the once Good Old U.S.A.


49 posted on 05/05/2014 2:26:26 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: ThunderSleeps
That’s what I’m thinking. If something like that happened in my neighborhood... Well, I know several people up and down my street (myself included) that would make life very, very difficult for an illegal’s home. You don’t need police nor HOAs. They’d get the hint right quick.

Vigilantism doesn't work in every neighborhood.

50 posted on 05/05/2014 2:29:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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